BenjaminBirdie
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Puddles said:
He's an incredible character. He's also a grotesque human being.
He did way way way way more questionable than that.
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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC
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He's an incredible character. He's also a grotesque human being.
He did way way way way more questionable than that.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
dave is ok said:
That would be cool seeing Mike, Walt, and Jesse team up but it really doesn't seem likely. I really don't want it to happen either. Gus is just a small piece in the whole drug selling part so that doesn't seem that likely. Hank will put stuff together at a point and think Walt is up to something I think too.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I love Walt, but he's made much more bad decisions than thosePuddles said:
BenjaminBirdie
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I think Walt is going to stumble into Head Boss territory, not necessarily slick his way in.
blahblah...blah
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Puddles said:
Let's not confuse disliking him with thinking he's a bad character. He's an INCREDIBLE character, but we as the audience find ourselves liking him less and less each week, and that is indisputably Gilligan's intention.
-Pyromaniac-
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I think there are still moments where people can look back on Walt's life and still find him SOMEWHAT relate-able on SOME level SOMEWHERE, so I don't hate anyone for still rooting for him and hoping he gets his shit together, I don't consider them wrong. Heck it's more fun! I know when I was watching the Sopranos I was cheering for Tony because there were some things about him that I liked, despite what a terrible person he was.
At the same time I don't think anyone who hates him is wrong, he's definitely done a lot of shit to be less likeable. It's all up to the viewer whether or not they can forgive it, forget it, be indifferent about it, or hate him for it. None of these people are wrong to me.
That's what makes the show so brilliant, it doesn't even matter which you believe, it's all amazing to watch unfold.
At the same time I don't think anyone who hates him is wrong, he's definitely done a lot of shit to be less likeable. It's all up to the viewer whether or not they can forgive it, forget it, be indifferent about it, or hate him for it. None of these people are wrong to me.
That's what makes the show so brilliant, it doesn't even matter which you believe, it's all amazing to watch unfold.
Puddles said:
Walt is a detestable human being - he has done so many morally reprehensible things at this point that is basically beyond redemption. He has ruined everyone he is associated with and for all the bullshit he fed people about doing it for his "family", the end truth is crystal clear: it's for himself, it's for his ego, it's a power trip for someone who has always felt powerless.
That is not the same as not loving to watch his character. I find Walt (and Jesse) as two of the greatest character studies in television, fascinating to watch specifically because of their level of morally black cross over. Jesse is sympathetic in many ways, at least... Walt is not sympathetic at all. They are wonderfully written and a delight to watch. But I hate Walt.
BenjaminBirdie
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Agreed!
dave is ok
aztek is ok
God, if Walt fucks Ted he would become the main antagonist of the show. That would be amazingPuddles said:
I don't see where all the "Walt is a detestable human being" stuff is coming from though.
- He cooks meth. Okay, whatever.
- He killed those two guys who were about to kill Jesse and had already murdered a kid. Okay, whatever.
- He watched Jesse's girlfriend die. Questionable decision, but she was on her way out anyway.
- He told Jesse to kill Gale. But Gale knew perfectly damn well that Walt and Jesse were going to be killed once he was ready to take over as head chemist. I put that on Gus more than anything else.
- He blew up a car. Not a huge problem for me.
- He got three cleaning ladies deported back to Honduras. That one sucks. Fucking Walt.
- He cooks meth. Okay, whatever.
- He killed those two guys who were about to kill Jesse and had already murdered a kid. Okay, whatever.
- He watched Jesse's girlfriend die. Questionable decision, but she was on her way out anyway.
- He told Jesse to kill Gale. But Gale knew perfectly damn well that Walt and Jesse were going to be killed once he was ready to take over as head chemist. I put that on Gus more than anything else.
- He blew up a car. Not a huge problem for me.
- He got three cleaning ladies deported back to Honduras. That one sucks. Fucking Walt.
Discotheque
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hahahaha wow...yeah he seems like a pretty decent guy. Just killed a few people, manufactures a life-ruining drug, watched his partner's girlfriend choke to death, has no friends, traps his family in the game, indirectly causes a plane to crash....
....no biggie.
But Skyler cheated on Walt oh nooooooooo, fucking evil.
....no biggie.
But Skyler cheated on Walt oh nooooooooo, fucking evil.
While claiming to be trying to protect his family, he brings them into ever more danger to satiate his massive ego. Right back to his first decisions on the show he has taken every path that boosts his ego at the expense of his family's safety.
If Walt were a good guy, he'd have taken the job he was offered back at the beginning. That would have secured his family's future and gotten him out of the doldrums of teaching high school chemistry.
If Walt were a good guy, he'd have taken the job he was offered back at the beginning. That would have secured his family's future and gotten him out of the doldrums of teaching high school chemistry.
Freyjadour
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Skylar is an uninteresting character, Walt is not.
Granger Danger
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It's curious how you can watch a show like this for four seasons and still approach it in chromosome terms of protagonists and antagonists. Everybody is both and neither at the same time, all the time.dave is ok said:
-Pyromaniac-
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the first time he became a drug maker I genuinely believe he was ignorant about the rabbit hole he was getting into and had good intentions.maharg said:
First opening scene in a long while i didnt like. I could have done without the RAGE dudes turning into Gale to get the point across, i would have liked a more subtle approah.
Great ep though, much more interested now in Hank's side of the story considering they're going after Gus.
Great ep though, much more interested now in Hank's side of the story considering they're going after Gus.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Relax dude, it was a 'fucking Ted' joke.Granger Danger said:
Granger Danger
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It wasn't just directed at you but also at everybody else above trying to stuff Walt, Skyler etc. into a hermetically sealed box labeled either 'good' or 'evil', whereas one of the main themes of the show is that these boxes don't exist in the first place.dave is ok said:
BenjaminBirdie
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Granger Danger said:
Except for Walt. He's straight up fucking evil.
People seem to forget the Walt Jr, tequila scene.
blame space
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You're allowed to be evil if you make a lot of money.
BenjaminBirdie
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blame space said:
'parently.
UnluckyKate
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What were the Cartel demand(s?) to begin with ? I felt like Gus was offering something pretty generous and the spokepersonn went all obnoxious about the negociation
BenjaminBirdie said:
What the hell is wrong with that scene? He certainly wouldn't be the first father to get drunk with his teenage son. Just because the law says you have to be 21 (and actually a lot of states have exceptions for being at home with your parents) doesn't mean it's wrong to drink before that.
Discotheque
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daw840 said:
that's not even remotely close to the worst thing he's done, but you have to remember junior didn't even want to drink any more at a certain point and he was just forcing it on his ass.
BenjaminBirdie
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Discotheque said:
Yup. I didn't mean to say it was his most evil moment. Just something that never comes up on his evil lists.
Cornballer
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My interpretation was that Gus wanted to pay them a one time fee of 50 million to leave him and his territory alone. The Cartel responded with "yes or no?" which I equated to "Can we have your turf without a fight, or do we have to kill all of you and take it by force?" Not sure if I'm correct on that. The Inside Breaking Bad video might explain it, but I haven't had a chance to watch yet.UnluckyKate said:
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Walt has become a pretty bad person, especially when compared to the start of the show. He was a man who was constantly pushed aside and in the waking moments of his near death has become "alive". From there he created Heisenberg and now its as if Walt and Heisenberg have become one. I wonder how many viewers are still sympathetic to him at this point?
Mr. Saturn
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Puddles said:
You forgot to mention that Walt is responsible for Hank getting shot up in season 3.
BenjaminBirdie
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Puddles said:
Yeah, it was intentionally not elaborated on, should be clarified in the future.
Mr. Saturn
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Hey I just thought of something.
What do you guys think is the worst possible ending they could come up with for Breaking Bad at the end of its 5th season?
What do you guys think is the worst possible ending they could come up with for Breaking Bad at the end of its 5th season?
Granger Danger
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It was all a dream in Marie's head.Mr. Saturn said:
-Pyromaniac-
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Junior was behind it all.
Cornballer
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That's a good point. They've coveted him for a while, iirc.Puddles said:
Clearly there would be more purple in the series as a whole if that was the case.Granger Danger said:
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Mr. Saturn said:
Walt gets away with everything and doesn't die.
Mr. Saturn
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smokeymicpot said:
I think that's got to be the most realistic bad ending they could come up with.
Mr.Swag said:
Hank was Vic Mackey the whole time.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Mr. Saturn said:
Skylar fucks Ted again, while Walt fucks Skylar.
Possibly the worst...
...or possibly the best!
BenjaminBirdie
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Mr. Saturn said:
Hank was Frank "TJ" Mackey the whole time.
Mr. Saturn
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Frank "TJ" Mackey was TJ Hooker the whole time.
-Pyromaniac- said:
They all realize Junior was the mastermind the whole time, this entire series has been him spinning a tale to Hank and at the end Hank realizes that the entire story was improvised by reading different things in his office. By then it's too late, Junior walks off into the distance without his crutches or a limp.
blame space
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Badger is a double agent who works for the CIA
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Mr. Saturn said:
TJ Hooker was TJ from Full House the whole time.
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