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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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RaidenZR said:
Do you consider Gus a main character? I'm not sure I want to predict that he's going to die, but I do feel like his antagonist role is going to end at some point this season.
He and Mike are the only two I could see them killing, and even that is a stretch.
 

Superimposer

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dave is ok said:
In the series finale Walt Jr. will try his dad's meth at some point and it will cure his Cerebral Palsy. Then Skylar will look at him and say "It was a good thing you started making meth after all!" and then they'll both laugh together and she'll say "I never really fucked Ted". Then the series will end.

I'm picturing a Seinfeld style freeze frame and end jingle right after Skyler says that
 

Zeliard

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The show is going full steam ahead with the pacing now. Gus has to deal with Walt, Jesse, Hank, and the Juarez Cartel all wanting to come after him, while Walt and Jesse are both becoming increasingly unhinged, unpredictable and bungling. Mike as well is growing more uneasy with each episode, and now realizes that bloodshed with the cartel is basically inevitable (and what if he's grown to feel protective over Jesse?). Something catastrophic is bound to happen.
 
Zeliard said:
The show is going full steam ahead with the pacing now. Gus has to deal with Walt, Jesse, Hank, and the Juarez Cartel all wanting to come after him, while Walt and Jesse are both becoming increasingly unhinged, unpredictable and bungling. Mike as well is growing more uneasy with each episode, and now realizes that bloodshed with the cartel is basically inevitable (and what if he's grown to feel protective over Jesse?). Something catastrophic is bound to happen.

That moment where he pulled a gun on Gus in the seaso primo was very telling. He clearly feels protective over his "guys".
 

ty_hot

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I haven't been watching BB with enthusiasm, but this last 2 episodes got me.

I really hope it takes a while for Hank to figure out that Walter is involved, which i think will happen in the season finale.

I'm loving how both Gus and Walter try to manipulate Jesse... But I feel Walt doing so because he kind of really worry about him, while Gus just wanna be safe. But I just can't see Jesse killing any of them.

Skyler is turning into another maniac, just like Walt become. It's fun how they try always to be the boss in the meth thing. Somehow I think Skyler will end up wanting somebody's head this season, which will be her complete transformation in the series.

About the cartel, isn't it all related to the twins death? I thought they wanted revenge for that, but when Guz said 50M I got confused, he wouldn't pay that much to protect anyone. Maybe Gus expanded his business taking over some of the cartel territories...

I also lol'd at the AS-Is scene hahaha
 

Zeliard

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BenjaminBirdie said:
That moment where he pulled a gun on Gus in the seaso primo was very telling. He clearly feels protective over his "guys".

I think in that case it was more a mix of self-preservation and momentary shock at what Gus did to Victor. But I think through his various adventures with Jesse he's starting to become fond of him, which is likely to pose a significant conflict later on.

ty_hot said:
About the cartel, isn't it all related to the twins death? I thought they wanted revenge for that, but when Guz said 50M I got confused, he wouldn't pay that much to protect anyone. Maybe Gus expanded his business taking over some of the cartel territories..

The cartel originally wanted revenge for Tuco's death. They felt a DEA agent shouldn't be touched so they wanted to go after Heisenberg. Gus was basically like "yeah, that's not happening," and eventually gave them the go-ahead to attack Hank instead.

Since the mission essentially failed - Hank is in rough shape but alive and improving, and the twins are quite dead - it may be the cartel wants what they originally did: Heisenberg, whether it's for vengeance or as a cook. And that's the one thing Gus has never wanted to give up and doesn't seem willing to budge on. It also makes sense that this would be "non-negotiable," unlike exchanges of money. 'Course it could simply be that the cartel just wants a much more substantial amount and over a course of time, rather than some one-time pay-off.
 
Zeliard said:
I think in that case it was more a mix of self-preservation and momentary shock at what Gus did to Victor. But I think through his various adventures with Jesse he's starting to become fond of him, which is likely to pose a significant conflict later on.

Also, "I HAD A GUY!"
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Also, "I HAD A GUY!"
I was saving these for a special occasion, but since it came up...

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Also, this reminded me of how amazing Mike is. During my All-'Cane All-Breaking-Bad Rewatch this weekend, the Half Measures monologue is still astounding.

"Two weeks later, he killed her. Of course."

That "of course," damn. Put that shit in the Smithsonian. The Acting Smithsonian.
 

big ander

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Puddles said:
That someone else is Gus, a mass murderer and bona-fide kingpin who already tried to have them both murdered. It would be a huge leap from killing Gus to killing either Jesse or Hank.
I guess something I can't understand about your point of view is how Gus being a drug kingpin, meaning he pays people to manufacture and distribute drugs, makes him bad but Walt being a meth cook does NOT make him bad. And saying that it's because Walt's been "forced" to do it isn't a legitimate answer because Gus is too. You think that if Gus decided to up and leave the business, none of his cronies would come for him? You think the cartel wouldn't do their best to off him?
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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I do Mike impressions at work and they're terrible, but I do it because one day it'll be so terrible that Mike will come in and kill me and all my dreams will come true.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
I do Mike impressions at work and they're terrible, but I do it because one day it'll be so terrible that Mike will come in and kill me and all my dreams will come true.

Ha, I do Mike impressions CONSTANTLY!!

I can do an okay Jesse, but only the bit where he bitches out Walt in the hospital.

My Hank is pretty great, though.

I also say "Oh, Heisenberg says RELAX!" quite a bit. And "WHUDID YOU DO DO MAII TIOOOOOO!!!"
 

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Ha, I do Mike impressions CONSTANTLY!!

I can do an okay Jesse, but only the bit where he bitches out Walt in the hospital.

My Hank is pretty great, though.

I also say "Oh, Heisenberg says RELAX!" quite a bit. And "WHUDID YOU DO DO MAII TIOOOOOO!!!"
My favorite Mike impression is the "You're gonna wanna fix your car" from Full Measure. I do it constantly during episodes replacing the 'fix your car' with whatever is happening.
 
dave is ok said:
My favorite Mike impression is the "You're gonna wanna fix your car" from Full Measure. I do it constantly during episodes replacing the 'fix your car' with whatever is happening.

Yeah, that's a favorite.

I also add a lot of "Of course"s to my daily life.
 
Battersea Power Station said:
By the way, how the heck do some of you pay attention to the "product placement" stuff? I just saw a kid excitedly talking to his uncle about some car. I didn't even know it was a Dodge and have no idea what the numbers he spouted off were. What I was looking at is Hank's face to see how he records this memory so I can tell how suspicious he might become of Walt in the future, if further evidence starts to point to him.

And I didn't even know that Rage was a real game: I just saw Jesse practicing his shooting (ok, I did notice the plastic gun recoiling somehow...) and having flashbacks to Gale. Who cares what game it is? Stop paying attention to shit that doesn't matter.

Well, I do think it's a tad strange that a red blooded male can't recognize a Dodge Challenger. But yeah, I'm not sure most people care about the Rage bit. Hell, all of these FPS shooter games all look the god damn same anymore.

Anyway, I loved this episode. Walt doing the burnouts in the Challenger was so friggen awesome. And more of Mike and Hank is always a good thing. I honestly thought at first that Mike was going to get mixed up in Jesse's sloppy coffee attempt. That would have been an interesting swerve. But now we're at the point where nobody can trust anyone.
 

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BenjaminBirdie said:
Ha, I do Mike impressions CONSTANTLY!!

I can do an okay Jesse, but only the bit where he bitches out Walt in the hospital.

My Hank is pretty great, though.

I also say "Oh, Heisenberg says RELAX!" quite a bit. And "WHUDID YOU DO DO MAII TIOOOOOO!!!"
Don't make me get all gravely and tell you about how you're not the guy or how I brought sandwiches.
 
cuevas said:
Walt Jr. will be dead before the series ends.

I thought for sure he'd die in a car crash until they "returned" the car. I can see him dying though, as well as Hank. As he gets closer to Gus, Walt is sure to find out.
 
_dementia said:
"Second of all, these cost $800 each. So Yeah, I'll be sure to get them all."

That's got to be my favorite one.

I like the way he points to the recorder when the argument between Walter and Skyler takes a turn.
 

Speevy

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Does anyone have a count of all the times Breaking Bad has done the "Character casually causes explosion before walking away as it explodes/burns." thing?

I know they've done it before.
 

Stet

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Speevy said:
Does anyone have a count of all the times Breaking Bad has done the "Character casually causes explosion before walking away as it explodes/burns." thing?

I know they've done it before.
I was hoping so hard that Walt's car explosion wouldn't happen and he'd walk away from it and it'd just sit there. Compared to how he acted earlier in the show when he was truly badass, it would have highlighted just how ineffectual he is now.
 
Stet said:
I was hoping so hard that Walt's car explosion wouldn't happen and he'd walk away from it and it'd just sit there. Compared to how he acted earlier in the show when he was truly badass, it would have highlighted just how ineffectual he is now.

I love that he sat down in front of it. Never seen that before.

But it was one of the promo shots for the season and when the car got stuck I realized "OH HOLY SHIT HE'S GONNA BLOW IT UP OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW HEY HEY, DUDE, I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!"
 
dave is ok said:
I think the two people who are least likely to make it out of this season alive are Gus and Gomey.

I'm with you 100% on that, and here's my prediction:

Gomez eventually comes round to the idea of Gus being a drug dealer, and tracks down the Superlab. While the DEA are shutting it down, he finds Gus and tries to arrest him. Gus kills him. The final episode is Jesse and Walt trying to find Gus and kill him before the police find and arrest him.
 

kehs

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Speevy said:
Does anyone have a count of all the times Breaking Bad has done the "Character casually causes explosion before walking away as it explodes/burns." thing?

I know they've done it before.

Once I think.

Other than with the two identical twin maternal cousins, I don't recall it being done.
 

Speevy

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Copernicus said:
Once I think.

Other than with the two identical twin maternal cousins, I don't recall it being done.


Well I've seen it so many times in movies/TV shows that I'm surprised BB actually went that route.
 

YoungHav

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Foliorum Viridum said:
If I was watching it going "Yay, go Walt!" I just can't fathom how it would be enjoyable. Then again, if you see a character that way you're probably not smart enough to be watching the show for any intellectual reasons and just like moving pictures.
Really? So something is intellectually wrong with someone for rooting for the bad guy? I enjoy the show AND root for Walt. And may be smarter than you. Mind.blown!
 
Yeah Foliorum that's a straight up wrong assessment. There is NOTHING wrong with rooting for Walt. I have a natural affinity toward "bad guys" for the most part. Obviously I'm not rooting for hitler in a WW2 movie but most people know what I mean. It's just plain fun. I've grown attached to Walt despite of his actions, I want to see more of him, I want to see him get outa trouble and be the BAWSSS he can be.

But if he dies/gets caught I won't cry about it.
 

JaskoX1

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Gus looked like a tool last episode letting that Mexican drug dealer run all over him.

lol @ pink not killing Gus because he was handed a gun and was "in the group".
 

SpeedingUptoStop

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JaskoX1 said:
Gus looked like a tool last episode letting that Mexican drug dealer run all over him.

lol @ pink not killing Gus because he was handed a gun and was "in the group".
Every single moment after being given the gun was a suicide kill if he attempted it.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Yeah Foliorum that's a straight up wrong assessment. There is NOTHING wrong with rooting for Walt. I have a natural affinity toward "bad guys" for the most part. Obviously I'm not rooting for hitler in a WW2 movie but most people know what I mean. It's just plain fun. I've grown attached to Walt despite of his actions, I want to see more of him, I want to see him get outa trouble and be the BAWSSS he can be.

But if he dies/gets caught I won't cry about it.

I don't agree with that. There's a lot wrong about rooting for a guy who let a woman die in front of him. If you ask me, I mean. That doesn't sound "fun" at all.
 

YoungHav

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BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't agree with that. There's a lot wrong about rooting for a guy who let a woman die in front of him. If you ask me, I mean. That doesn't sound "fun" at all.
Go threaten your local drug dealer with jail and see what happens. People will say you were the stupid one. Jane was stupid and she deserved her fate.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
I don't agree with that. There's a lot wrong about rooting for a guy who let a woman die in front of him. If you ask me, I mean. That doesn't sound "fun" at all.
yeah but you're looking at it too seriously. I totally am aware that the character himself isn't THAT good a guy, and if I were in that world I'd probably hate him. But I have the benefit of knowing that I'm not in that world, and it's a TV show, and he entertains me, and I want to see him go on to bigger and better things that will hopefully entertain me more. I can't wish badly upon the character I enjoy watching so much. Bad guys to me have always been the more interesting characters, so I consistently want to see more of what they can do/be.

And I'm even more sentimental on the fact that he wasn't always bad, so I guess I am a bit attached, not because of his actions but despite them.
 
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