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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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Cornballer

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big ander said:
They should call you ThesaurusFool.
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Ha ha.

I would have also accepted:
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"Yeah Mr White! Yeah thesaurus!"
 
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RaidenZR

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This thread went crazy. What the hell...?

BenjaminBirdie: You make it a point to say how loathsome Walt is with every post. If it really bothers you so much, what's keeping you from tuning out and walking away? You don't seem to enjoy watching the main character of this show.
 
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RaidenZR said:
This thread went crazy. What the hell...?

BenjaminBirdie: You make it a point to say how loathsome Walt is with every post. If it really bothers you so much, what's keeping you from tuning out and walking away? You don't seem to enjoy watching the main character of this show.
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although I obviously disagree with him as you can see in previous pages, I will defend him in saying that you don't need to like a character to enjoy the story being told. It's gripping television!
 
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RaidenZR

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-Pyromaniac- said:
although I obviously disagree with him as you can see in previous pages, I will defend him in saying that you don't need to like a character to enjoy the story being told. It's gripping television!
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I don't disagree, but he seems really put off by what he watches. I'm just wanting to hear what he has to say in his own words.
 
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big ander

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RaidenZR said:
I don't disagree, but he seems really put off by what he watches. I'm just wanting to hear what he has to say in his own words.
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He seems disgusted by most of what Walt does. So am I. It's still super involving.
 
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Amir0x

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RaidenZR said:
I don't disagree, but he seems really put off by what he watches. I'm just wanting to hear what he has to say in his own words.
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he's a horrible person in every way

that is precisely the reason he is so amazing to watch. I know for a fact Benjamin feels the exact same way.

liking a character is not even remotely a prerequisite for loving a show.

Other hateable characters:

Vic Mackey
Don Draper
Tony Sopranos

love each of these shows
 
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RaidenZR

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When you think about it from a creative standpoint, it's sort of cool where they've put Jesse's character during the course of the past two seasons. The variables at play have put him into a passive torture cycle where the solutions for multiple characters rely on his actions. As a device he's in a pivotal position and capable of pushing the story in multiple directions.

Also really interesting to think about is what would have happened should Gus have done something brash to the cartel representative. What are the repercussions and effects of that action? What do Walt and Jesse do if Gus gets taken out and the cartel forces themselves through the door?
 
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RaidenZR

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big ander said:
He seems disgusted by most of what Walt does. So am I. It's still super involving.
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I know! I get it! I watch it for the same reasons, but he just comes off as being REALLY, passionately against everything that's flying in front of his eyes!
 
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UrbanRats

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Cornballer said:
The track playing during Walt's joyride: The Pretenders - Boots of Chinese Plastic

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Is there a place to listen/buy BB original music?
I liked the track in ep.5, when (at the beginning) Walt is rushing to Pollos Hermanos.
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I realized watching the last episode (when Walt is trying to convince Jesse) that Walt has no more a SINGLE redeeming quality.
He's just an horrible piece of shit at this point.

I know he was bad before, he killed and shit, but at least he seemed to have some interest in protecting his family and some paternal love for Jesse.
Now he's much more empty and fucking disgusting.
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big ander

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RaidenZR said:
I know! I get it! I watch it for the same reasons, but he just comes off as being REALLY, passionately against everything that's flying in front of his eyes!
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Nah, I think he's pissed off at people who think Walt is a victim or a good guy. I don't think it's disputable but apparently there are people who think he's still Mr. Chips
 
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xbhaskarx

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RaidenZR said:
This thread went crazy. What the hell...?

BenjaminBirdie: You make it a point to say how loathsome Walt is with every post. If it really bothers you so much, what's keeping you from tuning out and walking away? You don't seem to enjoy watching the main character of this show.
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What the hell? Why should he not watch the show just because he feels many of the actions of the main character are loathesome?

Have you watched Scarface? Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer? Should I go on?
 
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Cornballer

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UrbanRats said:
Is there a place to listen/buy BB original music?
I liked the track in ep.5, when (at the beginning) Walt is rushing to Pollos Hermanos.
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There are listings here: S1, S2, and S3. There are some track listings here for S4, but I don't know if they have the track that you're looking for.
 
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Puddles said:
Really illustrates the drop in quality the show has taken since that season. I still love the show, but it used to be at Sopranos/The Wire quality, and it hasn't been for over a season now.
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I think it's much better than Sopranos. Breaking Bad and The Wire are two of the most heavily serialized shows ever, thats part of what makes them so good. Sopranos didn't really have that
 
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RaidenZR

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xbhaskarx said:
What the hell? Why should he not watch the show just because he feels many of the actions of the main character are loathesome?

Have you watched Scarface? Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer? Should I go on?
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I don't begrudge people watching the show for whatever reasons, and perhaps I misread things on pages past, but it seemed like he was getting upset at people for just enjoying the shenanigans of the character.

And I'm not attacking you, BenjaminBirdie. I wasn't trying to make a big deal about it. I was just curious.
 
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Mr. Saturn

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Amir0x said:
he's a horrible person in every way

that is precisely the reason he is so amazing to watch. I know for a fact Benjamin feels the exact same way.

liking a character is not even remotely a prerequisite for loving a show.

Other hateable characters:

Vic Mackey
Don Draper
Tony Sopranos

love each of these shows
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What about good ol' Jimmy McNulty?

BTW, I think this is the is the first time I've ever seen you say, that you love The Shield. Unless you mentioned it in some other thread I never saw.

Any way I agree with your post, hell sometimes the reason why characters like Vic, Walt or Tony are so amazing is precisely because they're so awful.

Actually, speaking of horrible main characters, I just thought of something awful. Imagine if the writers behind Dexter season 5 wrote the last season of Breaking Bad?

Good god that would be awful, they'd probably try to make Hank sympathetic towards Walt and his criminal doings, and Skyler would forgive Walt of everything he's done, and there'd be some bullshit happy ending where everything Walt ever did is brushed under the rug.
 
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Amir0x

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Mr. Saturn said:
What about good ol' Jimmy McNulty?

BTW, I think this is the is the first time I've ever seen you say, that you love The Shield. Unless you mentioned it in some other thread I never saw.

Any way I agree with your post, hell sometimes the reason why characters like Vic, Walt or Tony are so amazing is precisely because they're so awful.
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Yes, but I just want to say that saying they're "amazing" is not the same as thinking they're not awful or rooting for them.

I agree they're amazing - amazingly well written. I just don't agree they're anything but awful people.

Also, re: Shield. I haven't participated in Shield threads because I started watching it all in its entirety fairly recently and still haven't seen the final season
 
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Mr. Saturn

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Amir0x said:
Yes, but I just want to say that saying they're "amazing" is not the same as thinking they're not awful or rooting for them.

I agree they're amazing - amazingly well written. I just don't agree they're anything but awful people.

Also, re: Shield. I haven't participated in Shield threads because I started watching it all in its entirety fairly recently and still haven't seen the final season
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Ah, so that explains it. If you don't mind me asking, what do you think of the Shield so far?
 
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Mr.Swag

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I have some questions .
Does cancer actually go away like it did for Walt in real life? I know nothing about cancer cus it scare the shit out of me.

How old is Jesse supposed to be? Aaron Paul is 32 I think, there's no way Jesse supposed to be that old.

How long has it been since the first episode?

And do the mafia want Walt dead or just to cook for them. If they want him at all I mean.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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GremlinFool said:
So apparently, aboveboard moral repentance is the critical component in delineating the bright line between redeemable righteousness and, in your words, "odious moral repugnance." You're granting clemency to individuals, even when their actions are entirely disproportionate, because pangs of guilt begin to settle in as they approach the ends of their lives. This logic is not only so thoroughly inept, but positing it as a general rule of thumb for where one could aptly allocate their sympathies for television characters is nothing short of decrepit. Rather than maintain utter obstinacy in your fallacious stance, why don't you take a step back and compare the bodycounts of your paragon of television villainy and Walt, and then perhaps you can make a sound decision on which to vilify.

Even operating under your underlying assumption that of greater preponderance is whether the character desires moral rectification or self-improvement, Walt's ostensibly wracked with remorse and ruefulness over his actions (I'll point to Fly as corroboration of this point, but evidence of this is littered quite literally throughout the oeuvre of the show). What "level" of making amends do you require before a character becomes a sympathetic one? Walt is pigeonholed into a predicament of a far graver reality than Ben Linus's, and his irresolution can not only easily be explained, but is symptomatic of the innate human condition. Ben was a sociopathic killer, dejected and emotionally depraved throughout his years, and somehow he's the sympathetic one in this debate? Please. Don't let your sweeping bias sway you into lampooning others for maintaining not only understandable, but justifiable and reasonable stances on Walt. The morally iniquitous one in all of this is so very lucidly Ben that even entertaining such a ludicrous idea is nothing short of total farce.
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I'll simplify it. I don't believe in any of the characters on Lost in the way I do the characters on Breaking Bad. It's fucking Stephen King versus George Saunders. I'm more forgiving of Ben Linus because I barely give a shit or know anything about Ben Linus. I know, intimately about Walter White and that's why everything he does is so disgusting. I don't see how someone could be more horrified by, basically, a mustache twisting villain surveying the bodies of the DHARMA Initiative than watching a person you've watched intimately for two seasons, who you know SO MUCH more about, who's been painted and represented on screen with so much more care and subtlety, stand over a woman who's choking to death and do nothing.

It is a gargantuan insult to Breaking Bad to think Walter White and Ben Linus even belong in the same sentence. One is a cartoon character. The other is a fully realized character. And this is coming from someone who loves Lost and defends it all the time. Your "logic" assumes that both characters are on the same playing field and you can just play a numbers game and say that Ben Linus is more "evil" than Walter. Fine. Numbers-wise, sure. Be that reductive. Try and argue that a character on Lost will ever have the kind of emotional impact that one on Breaking Bad does. Will ever inspire the of kind gut reaction a character's actions on Breaking Bad would.

I don't see that getting you very far but do go ahead.

As far as that other dude, asking why I still watch Breaking Bad even though I hate Walt, it's probably because Breaking Bad is like my favorite show on television right now. I don't think, if Vinnie Gillz really wanted us to sympathize with this piece of garbage, that he would have blown up a plane over his head. (Which, if you're counting, I'd bet resulted in more casualties than Ben gassing the DHARMA Initiative. Whoops.) I think watching every week, repulsed at Walt's actions and then gleefully watching him get outfoxed by people smarter than him, punched in the face by people cleverer than him, etc; is exactly what Vince Gilligan wants to happen. Look at the latest episode. A Hi5 fist pumping moment that just brought that seemingly sympathetic protagonist closer to getting totally fucked. The show knows what it's doing and what it's doing is making Walt a terrible and irredeemable person.
 
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blahblah...blah

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GremlinFool said:
I have an almost compulsive love for words :p
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No, you don't. People who love words don't use them to show off, and they don't use them in the wrong context. Below are some of the more noteworthy examples, but your entire post really does read like someone who wrote their argument - and I am not afraid to admit that it has some merit - and then put it through an online thesaurus to make it sound more intelligent, ironically robbing it of whatever intelligence it had in the first place. It very much reminds me of Google translate back in the day: you would put in an English sentence and it would translate it, literally, into another language, with the result being grammatically incorrect. This is what you've done here, and I just don't understand why. It hasn't served your argument at all, it doesn't make you look intelligent...why? Anyway, as you have such a compulsive love, here are some things for you to consider:

"delineate the bright line" makes no sense - you don't delineate a line, for one thing, and you probably mean fine line, not bright line.

"decrepit" certainly does not mean what you think it means.

"operating under your underlying assumption" is a horribly clunky phrase

"preponderance" does not mean importance; it doesn't work at all in this context

"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here

You don't put an "s" following an apostrophe when the noun ends in "s" itself (Linus's)
 
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Lafiel

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Man, having just caught up on the last two episodes just then, i find it hard to comprehend how anyone could have hated on skylar, she is easily the most sympathetic character in the show next to jesse by far.
 
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aztek is ok
Lafiel said:
Man, having just caught up on the last two episodes just then, i find it hard to comprehend how anyone could have hated on skylar, she is easily the most sympathetic character in the show next to jesse by far.
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She fucked Ted.
 
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RaidenZR

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blahblah...blah said:
No, you don't. People who love words don't use them to show off, and they don't use them in the wrong context. Below are some of the more noteworthy examples, but your entire post really does read like someone who wrote their argument - and I am not afraid to admit that it has some merit - and then put it through an online thesaurus to make it sound more intelligent, ironically robbing it of whatever intelligence it had in the first place. It very much reminds me of Google translate back in the day: you would put in an English sentence and it would translate it, literally, into another language, with the result being grammatically incorrect. This is what you've done here, and I just don't understand why. It hasn't served your argument at all, it doesn't make you look intelligent...why? Anyway, as you have such a compulsive love, here are some things for you to consider:

"delineate the bright line" makes no sense - you don't delineate a line, for one thing, and you probably mean fine line, not bright line.

"decrepit" certainly does not mean what you think it means.

"operating under your underlying assumption" is a horribly clunky phrase

"preponderance" does not mean importance; it doesn't work at all in this context

"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here

You don't put an "s" following an apostrophe when the noun ends in "s" itself (Linus's)
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kehs

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blahblah...blah said:
No, you don't. People who love words don't use them to show off, and they don't use them in the wrong context. Below are some of the more noteworthy examples, but your entire post really does read like someone who wrote their argument - and I am not afraid to admit that it has some merit - and then put it through an online thesaurus to make it sound more intelligent, ironically robbing it of whatever intelligence it had in the first place. It very much reminds me of Google translate back in the day: you would put in an English sentence and it would translate it, literally, into another language, with the result being grammatically incorrect. This is what you've done here, and I just don't understand why. It hasn't served your argument at all, it doesn't make you look intelligent...why? Anyway, as you have such a compulsive love, here are some things for you to consider:

"delineate the bright line" makes no sense - you don't delineate a line, for one thing, and you probably mean fine line, not bright line.

"decrepit" certainly does not mean what you think it means.

"operating under your underlying assumption" is a horribly clunky phrase

"preponderance" does not mean importance; it doesn't work at all in this context

"oeuvre" also doesn't mean what you think it means, nor does it work here

You don't put an "s" following an apostrophe when the noun ends in "s" itself (Linus's)
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-Pyromaniac- said:
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God damn, what a toooorso
 
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saunderez

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Mr.Swag said:
Does cancer actually go away like it did for Walt in real life? I know nothing about cancer cus it scare the shit out of me.
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It does. My mum had breast cancer probably 7 years ago now and she's still got a clean bill of health after the chemo/radium therapy's got rid of it. The chances of it coming back are extremely low at this point.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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Aw, man, now he's never going to respond to me.

Or, rather, "He will be woefully distracted by willful frustration at the preponderance of misgivings about his florid linguisticisms."
 
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Stet

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blahblah...blah said:
You don't put an "s" following an apostrophe when the noun ends in "s" itself (Linus's)
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This post was cold as ice and fully justified except this one. This isn't a hard rule, and a lot of style guides recommend using only an apostrophe only when the word ending in s is plural. But ... seriously damn.
 
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