Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC
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Yeah, Jesse definitely choked when he thought about poisoning the coffee. Could have taken 5 seconds if he was quick about it but he froze up.
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BenjaminBirdie said:
So is it okay to assume that you rarely like or root for protagonists on TV shows? Most of the characters from TV shows that I can think of are flawed one way or another. I hope you despised just about everyone on LOST.
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To be honest, I looked at him not wanting to admit that he bitched out last second, which is totally something he'd do. I mean he was clearly thinking about it and totally froze up in his spot, next thing you know it's already too late. And then he contemplates it again but obviously realizes it isn't possible outside with all those people around and with a gun.xbhaskarx said:
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tycoonheart said:
Am I the only one who watches this show?
Ben Linus, for example, was given numerous opportunities to make amends for the terrible shit he did and towards the end, naturally I was looking forward to seeing him better himself.
Walter White is human filth who has been given chances over and over to at least start to make things right and has done donuts over them in a Dodge Challenger.
Jesse is sympathetic because even though he's killed, he's guilty, he's trying to do good, he's trying to be better.
It's actually astonishing to me that you wouldn't be able to tell the stark difference between Walter and pretty much every other character in contemporary television. It's fascinating to watch, but he is resolute in his odious moral repugnancy.
triplestation
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He let a woman die in front of him? What? When?BenjaminBirdie said:
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The poison was encased in a tube, encased in the cigarette, stuffed in bits of tobacco. Do you know how messy it would look? Not to mention how quickly Mike approached.
tycoonheart
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Holy shit, you're pretty forgiving.
I mean, Benjamin Linus was only a mass murderer among other things. Walter White and Ben Linus aren't even in the same ballpark.
triplestation
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There was clearly nothing he could do. She was in a seizure and out of this world.Havok said:
She choked on her own vomit, which is something that happens to heroin users when they lie on their back during overdose. It's a common thing (and kills plenty of addicts), but that's why Jane told Jesse to lie on his side. If Walt had flipped her over, she would have lived, but he chose not to because she was getting in his way.bangladesh said:
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bangladesh said:
grabbing cigeratte pack out of pocket and removing the cig takes 2-3 seconds TOPS, the only thing that would take a bit of time is opening the capsule, I'll say maybe 3-6 seconds tops on that. It seemed like Mike showed up quickly but you can tell by the way that scene was shot that Jesse "froze" and it made it seem like time wasn't going by, but clearly Mike was behind him talking to Gus for AT LEAST 10-20 seconds. I think it's not that far-fetched that it could have been done. Hell he could have had his pack out before he even got to the coffee machine.
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Flawed? Flawed? Walt has character flaws? That's like saying New Orleneans got a little wet during the storm.tycoonheart said:
What is stopping Gus from killing Walt's family or holding them hostage? Walt would like to think that it's a combination of his own significance to the operation and Gus' sense of decency. But it's a gamble: a gamble that should never be made and a gamble that can't be simply described as a fucking character flaw.
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Yeah I guess the S3 finale closed the door on that.Speevy said:
Cornballer
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Yup. It's at about 3:45 in this vid.Havok said:
tycoonheart
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Battersea Power Station said:
And Walt wouldn't be wrong.
His ego has definitely gone into overdrive, both those assertions are correct. Gus is in a bind here. Until he can find someone that can replace Walt, Walt is safe. As stupid as Walt has become he realizes that Gus will come after him as soon as their business is complete and/or he's found a replacement. He's gotten away doing a lot of stupid shit, asking the Domincan cleaning ladies to help clean his lab is the latest one. If Gus was going to kill him, he'd have done so.
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tycoonheart said:
Nor is Lost and Breaking Bad. Not that I consider it an excuse but there are multiple instances where one could surmise Ben was under the influence of any number of outside forces. AND he tries to do better and ADMITS HIMSELF in the finale
that he still has a long way to go
But whatever. Keep trying to make me care about the guy, I'll keep being repulsed by him. You can bring in everyone from E to Rocko, it won't make a difference.
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To be fair to Walt, one could argue that he let Jane die because she was a bad influence on Jesse who became nothing but a irresponsible crackhead when he was with her.
Not only that but Walt would always do the do the dirty work whenever he could just so Jesse wouldn't have to. That I can respect. The one time Jesse killed someone was because Walt had no choice but to execute the plan. The scene in half measures says it all. Walt knows he already crossed the line and he didn't want Jesse to cross it and possibly die in the process so he came in and did the work again, and saved his life in the process.
Walt is definitely not a good guy overall but he isn't "human filth" to me. But that's just me, like I said, I gravitate towards bad guys. I cheered on Tony Montana, I cheered Tony Soprano, I cheer for Walt to get out of his slump now.
Not only that but Walt would always do the do the dirty work whenever he could just so Jesse wouldn't have to. That I can respect. The one time Jesse killed someone was because Walt had no choice but to execute the plan. The scene in half measures says it all. Walt knows he already crossed the line and he didn't want Jesse to cross it and possibly die in the process so he came in and did the work again, and saved his life in the process.
Walt is definitely not a good guy overall but he isn't "human filth" to me. But that's just me, like I said, I gravitate towards bad guys. I cheered on Tony Montana, I cheered Tony Soprano, I cheer for Walt to get out of his slump now.
Hey guys, I've been catching up with Breaking Bad and am now at season 3 and not a big fan of this season. Just watched the Fly episode, wtf was that? Probably the most boring TV episode I have ever seen, even though it was somewhat funny. How's the rest of season 3 and how is season 4? Worth continuing?
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yeahhh your opinion won't be popular here.Sec0nd said:
Cornballer
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Sure, might as well throw "Fly" into the mix as long as everyone's in the mood for a debate this afternoon. 
triplestation
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Oh god damn, then. I don't know how to feel about this. She really was getting in the way and being a massive bitch, keeping Jesse on the shortest leash in existence. She's incredibly irresponsible and came off as a crazy bitch. A free loader, and something just tells me she was a gold digger type. How distasteful was it when she found out about Jesse's massive amount of cash and got all jittery and excited? Fuck that bitch, honestly.Havok said:
I still think Walt is a great person doing what he can to make things go right. It's only people who get in the way of Walt and his endeavors who fuck it all up themselves and pass the responsibility to him.
People need to keep in mind that this is the realm of hard drug manufacturing. Walt has one intention and one prime partner. And if the tiniest of problems can fuck it all up.
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I wouldn't continue. The final two episodes are season three are so boring that I fell asleep trying to watch them... twiceSec0nd said:
Battersea Power Station
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He's not safe! It's a game of chicken. Walt is betting that Gus requires a 99.9% pure product to make X million a year. But what if Gus, a careful mofo if ever there was one, decides that Walt, Jesse, and their craziness are not worth risking his identity and his life for. Messing around with a dumbass like Walt might cost him his X million and more. Why not get another cook and make a 90% pure product and a safe X/2 million?tycoonheart said:
And if not, how does Walt know he doesn't have 3 more Gales lined up? How does he know he doesn't have 3 copies of the lab notes and detailed video analysis of his actions in the lab?
How does he know Gus won't get capped tomorrow by the cartel on their way to him?
Walt is making assumptions and playing chicken, and no matter how safe, those assumptions are putting his family's life on the line every second of every minute of every hour of every day. And he's not changing his actions at all, but instead is digging in deeper all the time.
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lol, yeah half measures is terrible, one of the worst moments of the show happens at the enddave is ok said:
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triplestation
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Fuuuuck this crackwhore arthouse bitchh. I wanna see her blackmail Walt now.-Pyromaniac- said:
What's that? Sorry can't hear u. Cause your dead.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Sometimes I think some of us aren't watching the same TV show 
triplestation
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She is a problem dog, dude.xbhaskarx said:
sixteen-bit
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Did she bite someone?bangladesh said:
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love that Ari gif, never been more appropriate.
sixteen-bit
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Seriously, how can someone hate Fly
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So apparently, aboveboard moral repentance is the critical component in delineating the bright line between redeemable righteousness and, in your words, "odious moral repugnance." You're granting clemency to individuals, even when their actions are entirely disproportionate, because pangs of guilt begin to settle in as they approach the ends of their lives. This logic is not only so thoroughly inept, but positing it as a general rule of thumb for where one could aptly allocate their sympathies for television characters is nothing short of decrepit. Rather than maintain utter obstinacy in your fallacious stance, why don't you take a step back and compare the bodycounts of your paragon of television villainy and Walt, and then perhaps you can make a sound decision on which to vilify.BenjaminBirdie said:
Even operating under your underlying assumption that of greater preponderance is whether the character desires moral rectification or self-improvement, Walt's ostensibly wracked with remorse and ruefulness over his actions (I'll point to Fly as corroboration of this point, but evidence of this is littered quite literally throughout the oeuvre of the show). What "level" of making amends do you require before a character becomes a sympathetic one? Walt is pigeonholed into a predicament of a far graver reality than Ben Linus's, and his irresolution can not only easily be explained, but is symptomatic of the innate human condition. Ben was a sociopathic killer, dejected and emotionally depraved throughout his years, and somehow he's the sympathetic one in this debate? Please. Don't let your sweeping bias sway you into lampooning others for maintaining not only understandable, but justifiable and reasonable stances on Walt. The morally iniquitous one in all of this is so very lucidly Ben that even entertaining such a ludicrous idea is nothing short of total farce.
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I loved fly, was great to see Jesse and Walt just goofing off.
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I'm not sure I know what Gremlin just said but I'm pretty sure I agree.
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I have an almost compulsive love for wordsbig ander said:
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Battersea Power Station said:
Gus isn't a chemist, he can't tell someone how to make the "blue". Thats his competitive advantage and he knows it. If he goes back to making something other than the "blue" the meth heads will start going other places.
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