tycoonheart
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maharg said:
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Please read through pages 86 and 87 of this thread.
Black Mamba said:
I only watched up to Season 2, but I didn't really think that Dexter was a particularly bad guy (until SEASON 2 SPOILER
he was faced with the choice between turning himself in and letting Doakes die and chose the latter
He was committing murders, but none of the people he killed deserved to live.
Malum prohibitum vs malum in se, and all that.
Black Mamba
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Puddles said:
Right. I'm not trying to argue Dexter is bad, just saying people would root for Walt like we root for Dexter (who even if you argue is not bad does something 99.999% of us could not fathom ever doing to someone) if Walt was smarter in his approach and more sensitive to the people around him.
The audience is willing to root for a serial killer and a mafia kingpin under the right circumstances. We'd also root for a meth cook too, and we did. But he's changed over time and thus so have our opinions along with him.
Black-Wind
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10ish years I think. walts like in his 50s and she said she was close to 40._dementia said:
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This is getting weirder all the time
Black-Wind said:
Yeah, it's in the pilot isn't it? It's his 50th and Skyler talks about fear of turning 40. I'd guess 12 years
mysticwhip
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I'm still rooting for Walt and I doubt that's gonna change anytime soon. Also, he isn't a bad guy.
I just think he's a man who in an extraordinary position, made extraordinary decisions.
The first two seasons aren't completely fresh to me, but I don't recall him killing for fun or for his own personal gain (unless you consider protecting himself and in doing so, his family) personal gain. You can say all you want that he had a way out early on, and choose his path, but if he did choose that path, there wouldn't be a show in the first place
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The first two seasons aren't completely fresh to me, but I don't recall him killing for fun or for his own personal gain (unless you consider protecting himself and in doing so, his family) personal gain. You can say all you want that he had a way out early on, and choose his path, but if he did choose that path, there wouldn't be a show in the first place
.J_incredible
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This last episode was pretty mellow. Not too much going on. Looking forward to Sunday though. Seems like it was preparing for something big to happen with Hank.
Black-Wind
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Uhh, no?Speevy said:
You wouldn't give up his pride and such for whats best for his family but he is clearly willing to die for them.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
J_incredible said:
You kidding? That was the most eventful episode of the season
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
Copernicus said:
Which episodes have been more eventful?
-Pyromaniac-
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Who gives a shit if Walt would sacrifice himself for Jesse? That's absolutely meaningless. Would you sacrifice yourself for your friends? I fucking wouldn't, lol. I'm sure billions would agree. Family is another story but for friends? Fuck no.
But given the opportunity to help them and having it not kill me in the process, I would do that. Just as Walt did. He saved Jesse from DYING maybe 2-3 times. That isn't even enough for some of you. JEEZ LOUIZZ. Walt cares about Jesse, time to accept that and move on.
But given the opportunity to help them and having it not kill me in the process, I would do that. Just as Walt did. He saved Jesse from DYING maybe 2-3 times. That isn't even enough for some of you. JEEZ LOUIZZ. Walt cares about Jesse, time to accept that and move on.
blame space
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would walt cut off walt jr's penis to ensure his daughter's late-life fertility?
sixteen-bit
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what?
You missed the more important half of my point. Meth being an illegal substance isn't what makes it immoral, it's the fact that because it's illegal it results in more crime. If McDonalds were illegal, I bet you that hundreds would be killed over Big Macs and I would call any McDonalds frycook morally questionable.YoungHav said:
Also if you legitimately think that a hamburger is equal to a cigarette is equal to meth, then YOU are the one having problems seeing in shades of grey.
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How was it not really eventful?Copernicus said:
- Walt and Jesse seemingly on the same page about killing Gus
- trouble with the cartel strengthens/reaches possible boiling point
- hank cracks the case
- Gus finger print at Gale's house
The last 2 go hand in hand but overall I'd say those are some major things beginning to take place. One could argue that the episode basically set the stage for the rest of this season.
Spotless Mind
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That's a tough one. I think so.blame space said:
RobotNinjaHornets
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Second only to series 4 of The Wire in alltime ratingsdave is ok said:
Impressive
Also I was convinced Puddles was just trolling at first, but this has gone on far too long for that
water_wendi
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im working my way through this season and its almost painful. Walt has become a fucking moron. Things also seem like a great amount of time has taken place when like three weeks prior he was driving down the road with his hands off the wheel trying to kill himself. And "i am the danger?" Seriously? People thought that was a bad ass line? It comes like a minute after hearing his voicemail and i didnt get that impression at all.
And what the hell is up with every episode since (iirc) season 2/early 3 having some kind of gimmick camera shot? It screams "film school."
And what the hell is up with every episode since (iirc) season 2/early 3 having some kind of gimmick camera shot? It screams "film school."
Seraphinianus
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Just watched the newest ep...
Yep, this thread blew up as expected :lol
This season is fucking awesome.
Yep, this thread blew up as expected :lol
This season is fucking awesome.
Spotless Mind
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"Become" a fucking moron? He's been a complete and utter moron since season 1. The "I am the danger" line was brilliant, and you'd be right to not get the impression that it was "bad ass". We're not meant to be rooting for Walt and his insanity.water_wendi said:
water_wendi
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i get that. i was just talking about how i see people taking away from the scene that Walt is a bad motherfucker. Its almost as embarrassing as the misuse of the Citizen Kane clapping gif.Stet said:
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
Just take a step back and ask yourself, just really ask yourself, if the particular person you're saying "isn't a bad guy" is some one you'd even remotely want to be associated with IRL.
The only people that remotely qualify for that, for me, are Hank, Walt Jr. and probably Marie. Maybe Mike too, because he keeps his shit together.
The only people that remotely qualify for that, for me, are Hank, Walt Jr. and probably Marie. Maybe Mike too, because he keeps his shit together.
Seraphinianus
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water_wendi said:
i agree, if anything, he's in over his head this season. He's clearly breaking up, making missteps, and having a bit of an identity crisis
The biggest problem with Walt is that he has a toxic influence on everyone around him. His actions don't only affect him, but everyone else he's connected to. I would still consider him immoral albeit less so if he kept his depravity limited solely to himself, but he continually impacts and influences others negatively, especially Jesse.
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I was telling my friend about the show and it's characters and I told him I've never watched anything that has so many unlikeable characters. Hank and Walt Jr. are the only truly likeable characters (and Hank was so bad at one point that he *almost* made me like Marie for a stretch).
Seraphinianus
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Zeliard said:
he's still skating by on that cancer sympathy a little.
i wonder when that'll come back into the mix. probably the last ep of the season.
water_wendi
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You are right. ive never seen a Kubrick 2001 mask camera thing before in a student film. Not once.big ander said:
Breaking Bad has some of the best camera work I've ever seen on television. Over the whole run of the series, it has been unique, varied, and has been very instrumental in creating the mood of the show.
There are parts of Breaking Bad which remind me of things the Coen brothers do, but they never stick entirely to that.
Brilliant actors, directors, and some of the most consistent writing television has ever seen. How anyone could insinuate that this show is somehow amateurish is beyond me.
There are parts of Breaking Bad which remind me of things the Coen brothers do, but they never stick entirely to that.
Brilliant actors, directors, and some of the most consistent writing television has ever seen. How anyone could insinuate that this show is somehow amateurish is beyond me.
Heh saying you've seen a few shots from BB in student films does not mean those shots are amateur at all. Plus I bet there are plenty of shots that you haven't seen a ton of times. Do you see shovel shots all the time in student film?water_wendi said:
Beyond that, it sounded like you were saying that that's all it goes for: gimmicky shots. If you think the BB cinematography is nothing but gimmicky, there's something wrong with your TV.
There seems to be a lot more of those POV-type shots this season than in seasons past. I think they're sometimes interesting depending on their placement, context, and if there's dialogue going on, but more often than not they pull me out of the moment and make me think about the technical side of shooting the show. Jesse carrying the shovel-cam, for example, caught me off-guard. Not a big deal I'm just not sure it contributes that much, stylistically or otherwise.
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it contributes to the character, more than anything. he's taking control.
i don't want to have this conversation.
i don't want to have this conversation.
blame space
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ok, i don't want this conversation to exist.
some good unorthodox shots this season.
some good unorthodox shots this season.
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