Mr. Saturn
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Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if its like you said, Walt has his own definition of being "out" basically he's probably spouting a bunch of bullshit.
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Breaking Bad - Season 5 interim thread - the series concludes Summer 2013 on AMC
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Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if its like you said, Walt has his own definition of being "out" basically he's probably spouting a bunch of bullshit.
RoninChaos
Member
Yeah, I'm thinking he wants to be behind the scenes but not cook. I'm still curious what the final straw is going to be. You can't just be in the drug game and get out without pulling some major strings or paying off the right people. And even then, you know things that others don't and could dime somebody out to the cops. You can't just get out 9 times out of 10. It just doesn't work like that.
My guess for the season is that the guy Walt made a deal with is not going to be happy with him quitting. I assume he knows who Walt is and that's all that's really needed.
In the end, I can't see any way for this to go but Walt losing everything. You can't live this kind of life and get away clean.
RoninChaos
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I don't think they'll even touch that, honestly. I'm not sure there's even a point to it now. There's a wall between Jesse and Walt a mile high and 4 feet thick now. Jesse has seen too many innocent people killed for their pursuits. I read an interview where apparently Aaron went to Gilligan and said "I think after this point Jesse can never cook again". My understanding is Gilligan ran with it. I wouldn't be surprised if what you were talking about was something Gilligan had planned but I'm not sure what it could do for the story at this point.
To me it has to come out. It is a defining moment between the relationship of Walt and Jesse even if Jesse doesn't know about it. It is the final moment we see Walt doesn't even have any shred of respect even for his own partner, and will go to literally any lengths to preserve his place.
Jesse and Walt are going to have a final confrontation in these final episodes, and to me that bombshell would shatter Jesse's mind. They have to do it, I think.
Black Mamba
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The only way I can see it happening is Walt confessing it, but IMO it won't be out of guilt but rather rage.
Like, Jesse and Walt are having a major confrontation and during it Walt tell him he killed Jane, he poisoned the kid, that he put it in his head to leave Andre, and he's manipulated Jesse from day one.
He'll say something like "I own you" or "You are my bitch, Jesse."
Why exactly they get into this position I obviously don't know but I think this is the only scenario at which is comes out. Guilt is out the window.
He never figured out Walt was indirectly responsible for Jane's death. I don't think it's a sure thing he'll find out.
metalslimer
Member
You guys forget that Saul knows about the kid. If he needs a way to turn Jesse on Walt he'll use that. Also if he does find out about the kid he has to find out about jane as well.
Black Mamba
Member
I forgot about Jane. I wonder if that'll come out too.
I don't think anything is a sure bet, of course, but I can't imagine the show will end without Jesse finding out about one of those things. They defined the guilt Walt was living with for many episodes, and as I said earlier even though Jesse doesn't know, it has defined their relationship too now.
One of these things has to come out I think for Jesse to realize the magnitude of the monster he has worked with. As of now, he's disgusted with the life, but that final detail might finally put him at war with Walt.
Oh shit. I forgot about that. That'd be the way, yeah. Saul probably is going to want to disentangle himself from his association with Walt and might need to get Jesse on his side in any plan to eliminate him.
Good point.
Dat Crawl Space beat.
Mr. Saturn
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As fucked up as this sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if Walt told Jesse all this, to prove he's willing to do anything to protect Jesse. Like what I mean is, Walt will probably make it out like letting Jane die was him protecting Jesse from her.
PezDispenser
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"I know lots of women who hate Sklyar too!" is a weak argument, but apparently "everyone who hates this particular television character is a misogynist" is bulletproof logic.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Yup. That's why I think he is done cooking but still running an empire. Walt has too many loose ends to just get "out," mainly Lydia. Walt knows she is only in it for her own skin and she will "flip" him if caught. If she is still breathing, Walt is still a kingpin.
Walt kind of has a point. If Jane would have lived both her and Jesse would have OD'd sooner or later. All that money was a recipe for disaster.
bodyofanamerican
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In my head, I've always thought that Walt would tell Jesse himself about both Jane and Brock. They're in some sort of situation where Jesse needs to kill/shoot Walt, Jesse won't do it, and Walt manages to manipulate him into doing something he doesn't want to one last time, through the truth about those two things.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
There's going to be an moment where he cops to that AND Jane and it's going to be the best scene of the series.
Problem Dog monologue times A BILLION
ThanksVision
Member
My problem with the Skyler hate is less about misogyny and more about people not having one convincing reason why they hate her. "She's poorly written!" What.
Nameless
Member
Small talk with Skyler? She mentions how Walt's always had a thing for Lily of the Valley. Maybe a death bed confessional where he comes clean about Jane and Brock and Mike. Who knows, he just might take all his secrets to his grave.
The only argument I can see is personality of the character, or how the actor portrays the character. You can have a character that is completely sympathetic, and still not like them if you don't like the characters personality.
But I rarely see people make that argument with Skyler. I still say more than anything, Skyler is just the obstacle in front of Walt. People were bound to dislike her, the same reason people disliked Rita on Dexter (although I do know fans that disliked her personality).
Discotheque
Banned
i'm thinking something like THE WIRE spoiler
stringer bell fessing up to avon about d'angelo
CharminUltra
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I hate Skylar with a passion. I also love Marie and Lydia is my favorite female character in the show, especially when she's being a threat to Walt and the crew.
Am I a misogynist?
Am I a misogynist?
Well that's usually how you can tell when someone is misogynist. Their reasons for hating Skyler are genuinely hilarious and/or nonsensical. Hating Skyler doesn't make you a misogynist in of itself, of course.
I definitely think some of this stuff has to come out, it's just so big. I am excited to find out how the pieces fall together, though, one way or the other. One thing about this show is I'm pretty sure it WON'T be pulling any punches. This show is going to equip them brass knuckles and go to town on the characters in these final eight episodes, I'm sure of it.
Gonna be rad. I think Walt is such a fascinating character BECAUSE he has turned into the monster he is, so I want so bad for it to all come out and for those around him to realize the true magnitude of what he did. Imagine if Skyler found out he poisoned a kid with something that could kill him, when they have a baby of their own together right now? Oh man, so many potential combinations of shock scenes for these final eight episodes. Can you imagine what Hank is going to do in the first new scene we get with him? Shit himself. Again!
My bet is on Saul. If Walt and Saul have a falling out, Saul might accidentally blurt it out to Jesse. Or he might just let it slip when talking to Jesse in general. Keep in mind, Saul was NOT okay with doing what they did. He even told Walt he was not cool with it. The only reason Saul would never tell Jesse is because he fears Walt.
That's the only way I would be happy with them bringing it back up again. On that note, I don't think Jesse should find out about Jane, because there is no reason for him to find out unless Walt decides to tell him. So unless he tells him on his death bed or some shit, there is just no reason for that to ever logically play out.
Bobby Roberts
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Who said it was? I didn't. Read my response above to a similar post directed at me before you coughed this one up.
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Bingo. I don't understand why people who dislike the character solely for character-based reasons get upset at the fact that there IS a large number of people who dislike her for bullshit misogynistic reasons. If you don't belong to that group, you have no reason to trip. If you're afraid your dislike is going to be swallowed up by theirs? That's a weird concern. Even weirder is that your means of differentiating yourself from them is to argue that THEY DON'T EXIST.
CharminUltra
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I like to think Jesse will find out eventually, and I hope Walt tells him. That'd just make Fly even more awesome for me.
I introduced a friend to this show. He hated Skyler, I asked him why, and he said "because she's a bitch." Blegh.
I think that kind of reaction may be partly misogynistic, and partly that people aren't used to a well written show where the main character transforms into a increasingly unsympathetic human being. The truth is, you don't need to sympathize with or relate to the characters in order to enjoy a story. I feel like a lot of people don't realize that, because they're too used to the ho hum procedural bullshit television that don't try and develop their characters past their original descriptions on the pilot script. In this case, they get too attached to Walt being the protagonist, and are too used to disliking the oppositions the MC faces to not even consider the thoughts and situations of the opposing characters.
I do think Skyler is one of the weaker characters on the show though, but I certainly don't hate her, I and think Anna Gunn does a fine job acting as her as well.
I think that kind of reaction may be partly misogynistic, and partly that people aren't used to a well written show where the main character transforms into a increasingly unsympathetic human being. The truth is, you don't need to sympathize with or relate to the characters in order to enjoy a story. I feel like a lot of people don't realize that, because they're too used to the ho hum procedural bullshit television that don't try and develop their characters past their original descriptions on the pilot script. In this case, they get too attached to Walt being the protagonist, and are too used to disliking the oppositions the MC faces to not even consider the thoughts and situations of the opposing characters.
I do think Skyler is one of the weaker characters on the show though, but I certainly don't hate her, I and think Anna Gunn does a fine job acting as her as well.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Hmmm.
I guess if they go the redemption route, and Walt wants Jesse to not feel bad before he dies, he could tell Jesse it was his fault. That he was the one that let her die, and NOT him. In terms of it benefiting Walt though, I don't see why he would ever reveal that to Jesse.
RoninChaos
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Yes.
Ninja Beagle
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We all know that Jesse kills Walt, right? No other way.
blame space
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savewalterwhite.com
Jr. kills Sr.
"Why don't you just fucking die already?" was masterful foreshadowing.
I wonder what scenario this would play out though. I mean, we know that Walt goes into exile. That he skips states and changes his identity. That he's all alone and by himself. So what reason could he possibly have to go back to New Mexico...and bring a big gun? My guess was always that he went back for Jesse (that it was Cartel related or something. Like they forced Jesse back into cooking, since he's the only one as good as Walt). I always thought Walt's family would either be dead, or moved into protective custody if Walt took off. So why would they be in danger?
TrumanBurbank
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I have a feeling they are going to introduce Walt's mom.
She will see what he has become, how much he has changed and then kills him.
How does that sound?
She will see what he has become, how much he has changed and then kills him.
How does that sound?
Discotheque
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yeah i'm cool with that.
and the final scene of the show has walter jr stumbling across walter's old hat and glasses...and he puts it on and with his back towards the camera /end scene.
I would shit myself if that happen.
Cranston's Mom was the old lady that saw Walt sneak into his house in the Season 4 finale. Does that count?
EDIT: It was Gilligan's mom. Mixing up cameos.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't know if Gilligan (or anyone) would trust Mitte with a scene that big.
bodyofanamerican
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For me, understanding Skyler's role and why she is the way she is is a crucial part of understanding Walt himself. Walt was a man with a certain ambition and as that floundered (because of his pride, likely), they settled into a mundane 9-to-5 existence. Skyler represented in a way that part of his life that reminded him of his failure, of his mediocre life.
What follows for me would be the way it would devolve in a normal relationship. Why wouldn't Skyler constantly hound Walt for lying? Why wouldn't she be furious considering she has a kid with Cerebral Palsy and a new baby on the way? Why wouldn't it shock her that the man who before was a simple chemistry teacher turned out to be cooking meth? Why wouldn't she stand in the way of that at times? How else is she supposed to react?
Anna Gunn's performance is perhaps not the most nuanced, but her character is acting -precisely- how most normal people in that situation would react (right up until the moment she decided to go along with the money laundering). In fact, I was constantly hoping she would find Walt out early on, because of the danger he was putting his families life in.
She fucked Ted because in her position she felt it was one of the few ways she could exercise a sort of power to take advantage of Walt. When we see later in the show how trapped she really is, it's no surprise she handles this the way she does. It wasn't even like it was an affair, at that point things were starting to unravel and frankly Walt deserved it. But even if he didn't, doesn't it make sense from a character perspective that an increasingly desperate individual who found how such a shocking thing would make decisions that seem at times impulsive?
Anyway, this is an open-ended comment, but hating Skyler isn't misogynistic. The REASON some people hate Skyler certainly is, given the debates I got into with people on NeoGAF alone
Yup. I've argued with very few people who have demonstrated they hate her for reasons that made sense, so it's telling that so few people are able to contribute such a reasonable argument.
Either way, it's going to be fascinating to watch. I so want Jesse to be the one to kill Walt. Walt was just SO fucked up to Jesse over the years.
Lame.
What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Why you want to see the GREAT HEISENBERG dead?
Nope, that was Gilligan's mom
Derp. Didn't Cranston's family member also make a cameo?
I mixed that fact up.
Cranston's wife was the eyewitness in the plane crash report and his daughter spoke in the school assembly. Both in Episode 301, which Cranston directed.
I simply want a writing on a show to reach a logical conclusion. Walt thinks he's a big bad, but given how everything is set up, the only logical way for this to end is with him in jail or dead.
Ah yeah, there we go.
Because the GREAT HEISENBERG is a giant prideful dickwagon that's torn apart his own family, ruined Jesse's life, and murdered the best character on the show over a hurt ego.
Fuck Walt.
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