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[Smiles and Cries]

maybe we will finally get the guy with the 666 on his head to become the new POPE

things that make you go hmmmm...

 

[Incognito]

Aside from being head of the Catholic Church, what has he done though? I mean, for lack of a better question, is this a good guy?

Not do jack shit while fellow priests abused and molested kids.

 

[ManaByte]

maybe we will finally get the guy with the 666 on his head to become the new POPE

things that make you go hmmmm...

Do you really know what you're talking about? Guy with the 666 on his head? So you want the new Pope to be a follower of the Antichrist? I think you're a little confused.

 

[WedgeX]

Aside from being head of the Catholic Church, what has he done though? I mean, for lack of a better question, is this a good guy?

He supported the Polish union movement to subvert the USSR...

 

[ManaByte]

Among other things, he's been very progressive in terms of establishing interfaith dialogue/acceptance, has softened the church's official stance on evolution, and has used his station to coax governments into giving many millions of dollars in humanitarian aid over the years.

Yep, he even went and touched the Western Wall in Jerusalem which was a very big deal.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Do you really know what you're talking about? Guy with the 666 on his head? So you want the new Pope to be a follower of the Antichrist? I think you're a little confused.

I keed!

you never seen The Omen?

Never read Revelations?

 

[Wellington]

'Tis a shame.

I liked popes more when they excommunicated people and shit like that. The catholic church had amazing political power during medieval times.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

'Tis a shame.

I liked popes more when they excommunicated people and shit like that. The catholic church had amazing political power during medieval times.

Ah the good ole days

 

[Duck of Death]

 

[ManaByte]

I keed!

you never seen The Omen?

Never read Revelations?

Yes, and if the next Pope were the Antichrist he wouldn't have a 666 on his head for everyone to know right away that he was the deciever.

666 is the mark of the beast, which everyone is required to have placed on their righy hand or their forehead to show that they follow the Antichrist. It isn't a flashing logo on the Antichrist to say "Hey look at me! I'm the deciever! Over here! Look!" as soon as he shows up.

Revelation 13

1And the dragon[a] stood on the shore of the sea.

The Beast out of the Sea

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”

5The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for fortytwo months. 6He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

9He who has an ear, let him hear. 10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed[c] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

The Beast out of the Earth

11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

 

[Loki]

I'd also like to say that, whether or not you agree with the Pope's specific doctrinal positions, his eventual passing (whenever it may be) should sadden you a bit (it likely won't for many, but it should). Whenever someone dedicates their life to the service of his fellow man-- no matter the cause/office (be it the papacy or as head of, say, a women's rights organization)-- it's a noble and worthy thing, and is to be respected. Far too many of us-- most of us, in fact-- live our lives for our own, selfish ends; it's refreshing and admirable when someone can go beyond that to try to better the lot of others through their service. That's just how I see it.

 

[ManaByte]

I'd also like to say that, whether or not you agree with the Pope's specific doctrinal positions, his eventual passing (whenever it may be) should sadden you a bit (it likely won't for many, but it should). Whenever someone dedicates their life to the service of his fellow man-- no matter the cause/office (be it the papacy or as head of, say, a women's rights organization)-- it's a noble and worthy thing, and is to be respected. Far too many of us-- most of us, in fact-- live our lives for our own, selfish ends; it's refreshing and admirable when someone can go beyond that to try to better the lot of others through their service. That's just how I see it.

I'm not Catholic (my extended family is due to one side being Italian and the other Hispanic), but everyone should have a huge amount of respect for not just John Paul II, but the Papacy itself for the reasons you mentioned. When he passes it'll be different than a head of state as he works for all of humanity and not a specific country or people.

Unfortunately, knowing this forum, we'll get some assholes posting crap like "serves the fundies right" (or worse).

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Yes, and if the next Pope were the Antichrist he wouldn't have a 666 on his head for everyone to know right away that he was the deciever.

666 is the mark of the beast, which everyone is required to have placed on their righy hand or their forehead to show that they follow the Antichrist. It isn't a flashing logo on the Antichrist to say "Hey look at me! I'm the deciever! Over here! Look!" as soon as he shows up.

Yeah guess you're right

What if he covered it up with a tattoo or something?

I just want our world to get a little more interesting.

Don't mind me I'm closer to being a Buddhist even though everyone around me has been Catholic during my childhood even went to private school full of Nuns.

 

[Seth C]

I'm not Catholic (my extended family is due to one side being Italian and the other Hispanic), but everyone should have a huge amount of respect for not just John Paul II, but the Papacy itself for the reasons you mentioned. When he passes it'll be different than a head of state as he works for all of humanity and not a specific country or people.

Unfortunately, knowing this forum, we'll get some assholes posting crap like "serves the fundies right" (or worse).

What if we believe the entire thing is a disgrace and perversion of what Christ was trying to establish? We should still have a huge amount of respect for it? Eh. You say, "But he does good things!" I say, "Ever hear of the wolf in sheeps clothing?"

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I'm not Catholic (my extended family is due to one side being Italian and the other Hispanic), but everyone should have a huge amount of respect for not just John Paul II, but the Papacy itself for the reasons you mentioned. When he passes it'll be different than a head of state as he works for all of humanity and not a specific country or people.

Unfortunately, knowing this forum, we'll get some assholes posting crap like "serves the fundies right" (or worse).

What serves humanity like the UN?
You can see his service one way and many others will see it in another light.

I remember when he visited Haiti when I was a little kid.
They cleaned the whole place up and placed the Pope's Yellow and White flag everywhere
It was a great moment of Pride for all. The Pope gets respect from all countries no need to defend that, not at a place like GAF.

Still I have grown to have much issue with all Churches.
Like I said I will miss him.

 

[Loki]

What if we believe the entire thing is a disgrace and perversion of what Christ was trying to establish? We should still have a huge amount of respect for it? Eh. You say, "But he does good things!" I say, "Ever hear of the wolf in sheeps clothing?"

Fair point, but I personally feel that service is to be respected regardless. After all, you don't call secular folks who serve a greater cause "wolves in sheep's clothing"-- you simply respect their service, regardless of whether or not you agree with their entire worldview/philosophy (provided the "cause" they dedicate themselves to is not too far out there, a la NAMBLA). Most people who dedicate their lives to helping others do so out of a sincere desire to do good, and firmly believe in what they're doing. Now, if you feel that the Catholic Church, and the Pope in particular, have deliberately tried to lead people astray from the "true faith", then that's a different matter entirely. But frankly, I don't see how you'd go about substantiating that claim, since there would be an enormous burden of proof (i.e., to prove that they willfully deceived people rather than simply acting in accordance with what they felt was the truth). If that is the case, however, then you would be within your rights to overlook the good he's done, as it would have all been to "put on a good show" in order to lead people astray.


In my opinion, you can't be too harsh on people who serve others due to specific disagreement with their ideology. Of course, this does not mean that one has to agree with said ideology. You don't have to respect the Pope's views on, or interpretation of, Christianity-- you should, however, realize and appreciate the fact that he dedicated his life to the betterment of others rather than seeking his own ends. I'd say that for anyone who did so (heads of humanitarian organizations and other not-for-profit orgs etc.), not just the Pope.

 

[Seth C]

By the way, none of what I said means I WANT him to die, or that I will be happy that he does. It's sad to see another human pass. Also, I can respect the deeds without respecting the position.

 

[Loki]

Also, I can respect the deeds without respecting the position.

That's exactly the position I'm advocating. It had seemed you were saying otherwise, which is why I elaborated. Guess we're on the same page after all.

 

[Takuan]

This begs for Photoshop:

And it wouldn't be a Pope thread without:

:lol :lol :lol

What on earth is he doing in that first pic, singing?

 

[SolidSnakex]

:lol :lol :lol

What on earth is he doing in that first pic, singing?

I think that was taken from last weekend when he was trying to talk but couldn't.

 

[Suerte]

Hell I'm already going to hell for being a dirty gay, so excuse the shit photoshop skillz but...

 

[SolidSnakex]

:lol Even as a PSP fan, that's still funny.

 

[karasu]

You can find faults with the views of all denominations and so called non denominations, but The Pope rules regardless.

 

[Lucky Forward]

[fundie freak] Somebody's gotta take Terri to heaven[/fundie freak]

Unfortunately, knowing this forum, we'll get some assholes posting crap like "serves the fundies right" (or worse).

Most fundamentalist Christians are protestants who strongly disagree with or despise the pope and the Catholic church to varying degrees. They basically feel the church has strayed too far from the Bible and gotten caught up in ceremonies and the trappings of power.

 

[Nerevar]

I'd also like to say that, whether or not you agree with the Pope's specific doctrinal positions, his eventual passing (whenever it may be) should sadden you a bit (it likely won't for many, but it should). Whenever someone dedicates their life to the service of his fellow man-- no matter the cause/office (be it the papacy or as head of, say, a women's rights organization)-- it's a noble and worthy thing, and is to be respected. Far too many of us-- most of us, in fact-- live our lives for our own, selfish ends; it's refreshing and admirable when someone can go beyond that to try to better the lot of others through their service. That's just how I see it.

?

It's not like the guy had to "sacrifice" a lot to be in his position (at least no more than any other major world political figure). And he gets to wield enormous power, too. Granted, he might have altruistic intentions, but I don't feel any great necessity to "honor" someone for that. He does and tells others to do what he feels is right (which is, of course, dictated by Catholic doctrine), because he feels that will make people better. It's not that different from the guy who stands at the street corner and screams passages from the Bible, but the pope just has a larger and more intent audience.

 

[karasu]

If more Protestants had a place where they could express their religion honestly and without judgement they wouldn't tell people they're egoing to hell all of the time and disgrace the faith. They need some ceremonies.

 

[WedgeX]

It's not like the guy had to "sacrifice" a lot to be in his position (at least no more than any other major world political figure). And he gets to wield enormous power, too. Granted, he might have altruistic intentions, but I don't feel any great necessity to "honor" someone for that. He does and tells others to do what he feels is right (which is, of course, dictated by Catholic doctrine), because he feels that will make people better. It's not that different from the guy who stands at the street corner and screams passages from the Bible, but the pope just has a larger and more intent audience.

Well, he took a bullet for helping the Polish workers movement. He softened the churches stance on evolution (where it gets taught in all science classes at all catholic schools). He has been trying to settle some of the animostity between the various sects of Christianity, as well as with the Jewish religion. And he's brought a ton of money to charitable causes.

I'd say he's done something with his papalcy.

 

[jobber]

Vatican says pope's condition has worsened, breathing has become shallow. Details soon.

 

[Hollywood]

It looks like he's close to death ... =(

 

[Nerevar]

Well, he took a bullet for helping the Polish workers movement. He softened the churches stance on evolution (where it gets taught in all science classes at all catholic schools). He has been trying to settle some of the animostity between the various sects of Christianity, as well as with the Jewish religion. And he's brought a ton of money to charitable causes.

I'd say he's done something with his papalcy.

Right, but the point is that he's done it because he's the Pope. And I agree, we should appreciate his accomplishments. But to say we should honor him more because he's dedicated his life to "serving humanity" is a bit of a stretch. He's able to accomplish those things because of his position. That doesn't make him some kind of extraordinary human being.

 

[Hollywood]

Right, but the point is that he's done it because he's the Pope. And I agree, we should appreciate his accomplishments. But to say we should honor him more because he's dedicated his life to "serving humanity" is a bit of a stretch. He's able to accomplish those things because of his position. That doesn't make him some kind of extraordinary human being.

Well jeez with that rational, anyone in the history of the world who has held a high position and done good is just an ordinary guy. I think the Pope has done a lot and is a great human being.

 

[Nerevar]

Well jeez with that rational, anyone in the history of the world who has held a high position and done good is just an ordinary guy. I think the Pope has done a lot and is a great human being.

no, I'm pointing out the fallacy of saying that he "dedicated his life to helping his fellow man," and taking issue with that. We should respect his accomplishments, even if they are the result of his office. But the point remains that there are millions of others out there simply trying to help humanity - the Pope is not exceptionally unique in this regard. People are giving him special treatment because of his office, which is annoying to me.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I did not know this but apparently when the Pope dies it is tradition for someone to hit him in the head with a silver hammer 3 times to make sure he's dead. That's....disturbing.

 

[midnightguy]

POPE HAS LOST CONSCIOUSNESS...

(drudgereport)

 

[robertsan21]

Hell I'm already going to hell for being a dirty gay, so excuse the shit photoshop skillz but...

dont worry you wont go to hell for being gay, you will go to an island filled with only hot girls with massive tits

ah shit that would be an island i would want to go with you to.

that pics is awsome

 

[Hollywood]

no, I'm pointing out the fallacy of saying that he "dedicated his life to helping his fellow man," and taking issue with that. We should respect his accomplishments, even if they are the result of his office. But the point remains that there are millions of others out there simply trying to help humanity - the Pope is not exceptionally unique in this regard. People are giving him special treatment because of his office, which is annoying to me.

Yes there are plenty of people in the world helping humanity, and I didn't read anyone with the 'greater than thou' thing, so I don't see why it would be annoying. Of course he's getting special treatment, the same as the President would or so on. The top leader of a world organization will get special treatment, I don't see why that is annoying.

Of course I'm sure like 90% of this board is atheist anyway, and just come into this topic to start trouble, so whats the difference?

 

[Lucky Forward]

no, I'm pointing out the fallacy of saying that he "dedicated his life to helping his fellow man," and taking issue with that. We should respect his accomplishments, even if they are the result of his office. But the point remains that there are millions of others out there simply trying to help humanity - the Pope is not exceptionally unique in this regard. People are giving him special treatment because of his office, which is annoying to me.

But they didn't just grab him off of the street and make him pope. I don't exactly know his life story, but I'm sure he had quite a track record of service by the time he was elevated to pope when he was in his fifties.

 

[dog$]

Nearly 3 pages and this hasn't shown up yet?

 

[midnightguy]

FOX NEWS Reports, from Vatican or Rome or Italian news, that there is no hope for the Pope to recover

 

[Jacobi]

Right, but the point is that he's done it because he's the Pope.

No. he didn't have to do that. He'd be alright if he just ignored the whole thing.

 

[jobber]

FOX NEWS Reports, from Vatican or Rome or Italian news, that there is no hope for the Pope to recover

It's always hope! If men can walk on the moon then we can get him some of that bubble gum liquid stuff!

 

[Hollywood]

FOX NEWS Reports, from Vatican or Rome or Italian news, that there is no hope for the Pope to recover

Miracles happen right?

 

[Jacobi]

He is dead. They ve closed the doors of st peters church

 

[Baron Aloha]

He is dead. They ve closed the doors of st peters church

Link? Not that I don't believe you but I'd like to know where you heard it from.

 

[Talas]

He is dead. They ve closed the doors of st peters church

Yeah, I heard about it on the radio.

 

[Jacobi]

Link? Not that I don't believe you but I'd like to know where you heard it from.

From the TV and spiegel.de

 

[Hollywood]

I haven't seen it on the news yet.

 

[midnightguy]

CNN NEWSROOM BUZZ: Pope Has Died...
VATICAN HOLDING PRESS CONFERENCE


http://www.rawstory.com/

 

[jobber]

http://www.rawstory.com/

edit: I'm watching MSNBC and ABC News on my phone and 1 of the lights in his apartment went out

 

[sc0la]

http://www.rawstory.com/

Beaten!

edit: nm you edited with new info