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BREAKING: The Pope's condition is failing ...

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olimario

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I wonder who the new pope will be...
I'm hoping for

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"God be with you..."




RIPOPE
 
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Richiban

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Take me down to the Vatican City
Where the Pope is dead and the nuns aren't slutty

God won't you please take him home, yeah
 
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SickBoy

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EDIT 2: I think out of respect, I've gotta take the Photoshop down... at least for now.

RIP ... the Pope did do a lot of good over his tenure, I think, even from this non-Catholic perspective...
 
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AirBrian

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Wow, even though his health had been deteriorating lately, it's still a little surprising at how fast he went the past couple of days.

RIP.
 
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pxleyes

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The only "confirmation" is from Italian News. The official end will be when they close the drapes the in the papel appartment.
 
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SickBoy

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what the fuck is with the photoshops so soon after he's dead?
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Well, if you're referring to me, I was Photoshopping before it happened and posted after the news (hadn't read the updates in this thread). Hence, why it's taken down now.

First I edited acknowledging poor taste, but didn't think that quite passed muster. Now that he's alive again, I'm not sure what to do...
 
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pxleyes

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Look, the Pope has already said he doesn't want life support, he didn't go back to the hospital. He will die in an hour of natural causes.
 
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midnightguy

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The next Pope will be..........


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Lassic, also known as La Shiec


otherwise known as, the Last Pope, The Anti-Pope, The False Prophet.
 
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Incognito

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No link. Just misread the headline on CNN. Anyway, for what's it worth, I think the Vatican is full of shit and he's really dead.
 
karasu

karasu

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midnightguy said:
The next Pope will be..........


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Lassic, also known as La Shiec


otherwise known as, the Last Pope, The Anti-Pope, The False Prophet.
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seventh day adventist?
 
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Loki

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Nerevar said:
It's not like the guy had to "sacrifice" a lot to be in his position (at least no more than any other major world political figure).
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Oh, except for the whole celibacy and "lack of worldly possessions" stuff...


Even looking past this, and even though I am generally not in the habit of trying to "quantify" the good deeds of others (I wouldn't even know where to begin, quite frankly), I think that it's safe to say that he's done or overseen more humanitarian work than about 99% of people on this planet. That, in and of itself, is to be respected, no matter who the particular person under discussion is. No one's asking for reverence here...merely respect for the fact that he's served humanity in myriad ways throughout the years.


And he gets to wield enormous power, too.
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Relevance? This doesn't discount anything he's done. The only time that such considerations can color one's analysis of a person is when they've done good deeds solely in order to become powerful. He has not, to my knowledge-- the power simply comes with the office, as you've noted.


Granted, he might have altruistic intentions, but I don't feel any great necessity to "honor" someone for that
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Well I do, regardless of who that person might be-- whether it's the Pope or the head of some humanitarian organization (Red Cross, UNICEF etc.). We'll simply have to disagree on this, then. I feel that altruism and service are to be respected, as most of us are generally content to seek our own selfish ends.


He does and tells others to do what he feels is right (which is, of course, dictated by Catholic doctrine), because he feels that will make people better. It's not that different from the guy who stands at the street corner and screams passages from the Bible, but the pope just has a larger and more intent audience.
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These issues of doctrine and dogma are irrelevant to the points I've raised, and I'm unsure as to why you're introducing them. Like I said, one need not agree with Catholic doctrine to appreciate and respect the humanitarian work the Pope has done. As an example, the head of a civil rights organization may fervently believe in affirmative action, whereas I do not (as anything more than a stopgap measure, that is; it needs to be coupled with systemic reform from the youngest ages)-- however, I am capable of separating my respect for the fact that they've dedicated their life to a worthy cause from my disagreement with their specific policy positions. Are you?


Right, but the point is that he's done it because he's the Pope.
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This is an artificial (and irrelevant) distinction. So you're saying that the type of person who would be considered for the papacy (or for any high-ranking ecclesiastic office, for that matter) wouldn't be the type who would do humanitarian work regardless? That's a dubious proposition imo. Higher ecclesiastical positions such as bishops, cardinals etc. are granted on the basis of humanitarian work/community service, scholarship, and longevity. I think it's amusing that you'd assert that the sort of people who are called to the priesthood would not have sought to perform altruistic deeds unless compelled to by virtue of their station (i.e., the responsibilities of their office).


Yes, part of being the Pope means to champion certain causes and perform certain altruistic works; I fail to see how you can assert that the kinds of things he'd be doing would be qualitatively different were he not the Pope. Quantitatively, yes, as he would not be able to reach as large an audience nor bring as many resources to bear when addressing social issues, but qualitatively, they'd be the same sorts of acts: noble, altruistic ones.


But to say we should honor him more because he's dedicated his life to "serving humanity" is a bit of a stretch. He's able to accomplish those things because of his position. That doesn't make him some kind of extraordinary human being.
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See, this is where you're wrong. He is an extraordinary human being. Don't think so? Well, would you give up all your personal goals and desires in order to help others? Doubtful (and that's not a knock on you, as I couldn't do so either-- I'm just saying that such people are comparatively rare). Yes, many people dedicate their lives to helping others, and these people too should be accorded respect for that very fact. But what you're saying is basically akin to saying that a local politician should be honored in the same fashion as the President of the United States should they both pass away.


Besides which, I personally have not stated that I feel that others should respect him to a greater extent than they would, say, the head of a humanitarian organization-- all I have said is that what he's done in his life deserves to be respected for what it is, and that we should all be able to look past whatever issues we may take with his dogma and appreciate the simple fact of his service over the years. That's all-- nothing more or less. I'd say the same thing for anybody. If Kofi Annan passed away tomorrow, I'd say the same thing, and lord knows I've disagreed with him before, and lord knows he's had a hand in some shady dealings over the years. Still, service is to be respected as service provided the intentions were pure (which I believe they were in the Pope's case; if someone were to suggest otherwise-- such as that his good deeds were done only to secure a powerful office-- they'd have a hard time substantiating it imo).


But the point remains that there are millions of others out there simply trying to help humanity - the Pope is not exceptionally unique in this regard. People are giving him special treatment because of his office, which is annoying to me.
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See above. Also, if you're "annoyed" by the fact that people (media outlets etc.) are giving a bit more weight to the possible death of one of the most powerful and influential men in the world, I'd say you have some issues to sort out. ;) :D The extra attention/respect given prominent figures in both the media and society at large is simply "the way things are." I don't see why it irks you, really. There are far more important things to be annoyed about, after all. :p



Regardless, I'll say no more on this; by no means did I mean to imply that all people should revere the Pope, only that they should have a proper measure of respect for how he's served humanity over the years.



It appears that while writing this, the Pope has passed away. Rest in peace, John Paul II.


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False alarm?
 
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