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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?


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Moosichu

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The more I think about it, the more terrified I get about the thought of the effects Brexit in the short term, and I the long term the status quo most likely be retained but just without the UK's ability to have any say in EU regulations.

Although I grew up near Brussels, so probably feel a lot more European than most Brits. :p
 
Jesus, I didn't see that Farage had claimed that if we don't vote to leave the EU, there will be more sex attacks on woken by migrants. Fortunately, the rest of the Leave campaign slowly backed away from those comments.

More? So he's implying there's been already been an increase in sex attacks by migrants in the UK?

Liberal media suppressing the facts again...
 

Irminsul

Member
So, the joy of being part of the EU but with less democracy!
Well, that should be supported by the Leave campaign, since some of them are championing Switzerland and Norway as their model countries -- what you describe is exactly what's happening to those two countries currently.
 
Couple of interesting (to me at least) articles today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
It all comes back to the painful truth, that there is no coherent vision (not even close) for a post Brexit relationship with the rest of the EU. After a brexit vote everyone is going to be unhappy because they won't get what they wanted, because pretty much everyone want's something different from it. e.g. the neocons want out for completely different reasons than say the libertarians... It will be a shambles...

Well, that should be supported by the Leave campaign, since some of them are championing Switzerland and Norway as their model countries -- what you describe is exactly what's happening to those two countries currently.

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Pro-Remain MPs are considering using their Commons majority to keep Britain inside the EU single market if there is a vote for Brexit, the BBC has learned.

OMG it is the "Boaty McBoatface" situation all over again. To be honest that is to be expected, as someone that is voting to leave the EU I would be surprised if the leave side won and even if it did win I would be even more surprised if the Government of the day even honoured the result. The slimey cunts would find one way or another to wiggle out of it.
 

Hasney

Member
OMG it is the "Boaty McBoatface" situation all over again. To be honest that is to be expected, as someone that is voting to leave the EU I would be surprised if the leave side won and even if it did win I would be even more surprised if the Government of the day even honoured the result. The slimey cunts would find one way or another to wiggle out of it.

It's the most sensible first step. Instead of a total shock to the markets, this would allow us to keep some of the benefits while it's actually sorted out what we want to do.

We'd be out of the EU by definition but in the market just like Norway and Switzerland, which is what some people in the Leave party actually want. Some want a more hardcore leave, but there is no plan about totally abandoning the EU and this vote was never about that.

What Leave should have done is come up with how much we want to abandon the EU, but they can't, because if we voted to leave they all have their own ideas of what we should do and would be at each others throats. Remaining in the EU single market would probably win because not only would all of the Remain politicians actually want it, but a good chunk of the leave campaign too.

I don't see another way of doing it quickly unless you want to fuck our economy up to a ridiculous degree for a few years. This way, you're out of the EU like you wanted and the rest of the strategy would need to be forthcoming.
 

Daffy Duck

Member
OMG it is the "Boaty McBoatface" situation all over again. To be honest that is to be expected, as someone that is voting to leave the EU I would be surprised if the leave side won and even if it did win I would be even more surprised if the Government of the day even honoured the result. The slimey cunts would find one way or another to wiggle out of it.

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Tak3n

Banned
It's the most sensible first step. Instead of a total shock to the markets, this would allow us to keep some of the benefits while it's actually sorted out what we want to do.

We'd be out of the EU by definition but in the market just like Norway and Switzerland, which is what some people in the Leave party actually want. Some want a more hardcore leave, but there is no plan about totally abandoning the EU and this vote was never about that.

What Leave should have done is come up with how much we want to abandon the EU, but they can't, because if we voted to leave they all have their own ideas of what we should do and would be at each others throats. Remaining in the EU single market would probably win because not only would all of the Remain politicians actually want it, but a good chunk of the leave campaign too.

I don't see another way of doing it quickly unless you want to fuck our economy up to a ridiculous degree for a few years. This way, you're out of the EU like you wanted and the rest of the strategy would need to be forthcoming.

It smacks of "oh shit the polls are close" and by doing that you make people think, what is the point in voting leave if they are just going to do this
 
I don't see another way of doing it quickly unless you want to fuck our economy up to a ridiculous degree for a few years. This way, you're out of the EU like you wanted and the rest of the strategy would need to be forthcoming.
Wouldn't it be easier to figure this stuff out before the actual leaving is done?

And why should the EU keep you guys in under favorable circumstances when you have already left? Makes no sense
 
Easiest way for the government to 'win' would have been to offer a different question.

I wish the United Kingdom to:

a) Remain in the EU / Remain in the EEA
b) Leave the EU / Remain in the EEA
c) Leave the EU / Leave the EEA

That said, it's all locked in now. Can only keep my fingers crossed and cast my own vote.
 

Hasney

Member
It smacks of "oh shit the polls are close" and by doing that you make people think, what is the point in voting leave if they are just going to do this

True, but what's the better solution? Just axe all ties and hope for the best? The TTIP has been going on for negotiation 3 years this month and that's just since we've known about it in the public domain. That's one trade deal. Should we just hard quit within a year and just see what happens?

Then, those that are voting to leave and want this type of deal like Switzerland and Norway have since it's been brought up enough. They want to leave, but they don't want to pull back further than that so you'd have to recognise what they want, so what do we do then? Another referendum on how out we want to be?

It's a difficult situation. The leave campaign will split off to their own groups of what kind of EU deal they want and how much they want out, so they won't have a unified voice. I'm honestly not sure what the best situation would be.

Wouldn't it be easier to figure this stuff out before the actual leaving is done?

And why should the EU keep you guys in under favorable circumstances when you have already left? Makes no sense

Yes, it would have. Hell, it would have been better if this was all delayed until Leave had a unified plan they could campaign with. but nope, Tories had to make a stupidly quick referendum so no-one could accuse them of sitting on their hands on election promises and now we could be in a situation where nobody is happy. If we waited to leave the EU after the vote, the people that voted to leave would be complaining it's not happening quickly enough.
 
OMG it is the "Boaty McBoatface" situation all over again. To be honest that is to be expected, as someone that is voting to leave the EU I would be surprised if the leave side won and even if it did win I would be even more surprised if the Government of the day even honoured the result. The slimey cunts would find one way or another to wiggle out of it.

So what exactly would you expect as the outcome?
A leave vote and on the 24th the port of Dover closes for a couple of years while parliament thinks about what is to be done?
In no legitimate scenario does membership just end from one day to the next...
 

Dan1984uk

Banned
I honestly think the the UK would be fine if we left the EU but is fine good enough? I personally enjoy a good standard of life which to be honest would not be affected if we left the EU but I am sure there are those who would be affected so it is a tough choice for me in which way to vote.

I for instance think that immigration levels are too high and would welcome an arbitrary cap on EU migration so that there is less strain on services, schools, housing etc but I also agree that the government seem to have made deliberate cut backs in these areas so you can see why I am struggling which way to vote.
 
It's the most sensible first step. Instead of a total shock to the markets, this would allow us to keep some of the benefits while it's actually sorted out what we want to do.

We'd be out of the EU by definition but in the market just like Norway and Switzerland, which is what some people in the Leave party actually want. Some want a more hardcore leave, but there is no plan about totally abandoning the EU and this vote was never about that.

What Leave should have done is come up with how much we want to abandon the EU, but they can't, because if we voted to leave they all have their own ideas of what we should do and would be at each others throats. Remaining in the EU single market would probably win because not only would all of the Remain politicians actually want it, but a good chunk of the leave campaign too.

I don't see another way of doing it quickly unless you want to fuck our economy up to a ridiculous degree for a few years. This way, you're out of the EU like you wanted and the rest of the strategy would need to be forthcoming.
Well I guess there is a disconnect between most public leave voters and the politicians then? Immigration is the number one topic for those guys and staying in the EEA would mean we keep freedom of movement.
 

Goodlife

Member
I honestly think the the UK would be fine if we left the EU but is fine good enough? I personally enjoy a good standard of life which to be honest would not be affected if we left the EU but I am sure there are those who would be affected so it is a tough choice for me in which way to vote.

I for instance think that immigration levels are too high and would welcome an arbitrary cap on EU migration so that there is less strain on services, schools, housing etc but I also agree that the government seem to have made deliberate cut backs in these areas so you can see why I am struggling which way to vote.

"This isn’t the fault of migrants – it’s a failure of Government."

"Some communities can change dramatically and rapidly, and that can be disconcerting for some people, that doesn’t make them Little Englanders, xenophobes or racists. More people living in an area can put real pressure on local services like GP surgeries, schools and housing."

"Within the context of austerity, immigration can indeed squeeze our public services further. But if we had properly funded public services, it wouldn’t be a problem."
 

WPS

Member
Can anyone help me with some questions about proxy or postal votes?

I am away on holiday during the week of the referendum, so cannot vote in person.

If I were to ask for a postal vote:
When do they send out the voting slip? Would I have to have it sent to where I'm staying, or could I have the slip sent to me in advance?

Alternatively, if I ask for a proxy vote:
Does being registered to vote in two locations as a student complicate things? The easiest people to proxy to would be my parents, who are at the opposite location to where I am now. Would I have to make sure the form reaches the further electoral office to prevent them being asked to vote at the other polling station, 5 hours away?
 

Best

Member
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolinguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.
 
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolonguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.

Lonxit.
 
Can anyone help me with some questions about proxy or postal votes?

I am away on holiday during the week of the referendum, so cannot vote in person.

If I were to ask for a postal vote:
When do they send out the voting slip? Would I have to have it sent to where I'm staying, or could I have the slip sent to me in advance?

Alternatively, if I ask for a proxy vote:
Does being registered to vote in two locations as a student complicate things? The easiest people to proxy to would be my parents, who are at the opposite location to where I am now. Would I have to make sure the form reaches the further electoral office to prevent them being asked to vote at the other polling station, 5 hours away?

its pretty simple. you go online and apply for a postal ballot (I actually registered to vote and applied for postal at the same time), you'll probably get something in the post about which address to send the ballot to and if it's different you might need to put a few words why and send that back.
In my case, I registered on May 9, got a letter than I needed to fill in and send back (which I took a few days of ignoring before I sent it back) and then received the postal ballot in Saturday's post. There are two postage paid envelopes that you have to send back, one has a ballot and the other has a short form called a postage ballot statement.

so, if you want to do it by post, get cracking.
 
So what exactly would you expect as the outcome?
A leave vote and on the 24th the port of Dover closes for a couple of years while parliament thinks about what is to be done?
In no legitimate scenario does membership just end from one day to the next...

This may come as a shock to you but erm I really don't give a shit about immigration one way or another. So honestly what Dover does or does not do on the 24th is entirely up to Dover, though they could repaint those cliffs they are looking a bit grubby these days.

The two main reasons I am voting to leave the EU are :-

1) The UK will inevitably leave the EU. There is no way in this universe the UK will ever integrate into the EU as well as other European countries. Now in my book since leaving is inevitable it would be better and easier for us to do it now than wait another 20 -30 years when we are forced out of the EU.

2) I do not want the UK to become District 13 of some fucked up United States of Europe. The veto's and protections Cammy negotiated are not worth the paper they are printed on. I firmly believe a vote to remain will be the signal Juncker and co need to ram even further political integration down our throats. So I am voting to leave because I believe it is the UK's best chance to survive outside of the United States of Europe.

As for what I expected to happen if leave win, well no of course I wasn't expecting that on the 24th we would tear up our laminated EU membership card and go frolicking in the green rolling hills of Britain. I would expect that within 6 months of the vote the Government would start the process of leaving the EU FULLY.

As far as I understand it the process allows for a 2 year negotiating period for withdrawel which can be extended if the rest of Europe agrees (fat chance). I don't particularly favour being part of the EEA just so we can hand billions over to the EU for the chance of selling them shit. We trade with other countries that we do not have FTA's with or any other bullshit agreement I would like to see a similar relationship with the individual countries of Europe.

This is all beside the point anyway. There is not a chance in hell leave will win. The best I am hoping for is a close result. If we get a close result that might help put the brakes on Juncker and co.
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your interesting proposal for the secession of London.

I am pleased to inform you that there will be a fucking enormous ground rent for your continual residence on this island, a considerable fee for access to the UK's single market, restrictions on the ownership of UK property by London people (I hesitate just yet to call you foreigners). Not to mention passport controls on Thameslink and the Heathrow Express.

Also, what currency were you thinking of using?

Yrs faithfully

Peterborough etc
 

Par Score

Member
its pretty simple. you go online and apply for a postal ballot (I actually registered to vote and applied for postal at the same time), you'll probably get something in the post about which address to send the ballot to and if it's different you might need to put a few words why and send that back.
In my case, I registered on May 9, got a letter than I needed to fill in and send back (which I took a few days of ignoring before I sent it back) and then received the postal ballot in Saturday's post. There are two postage paid envelopes that you have to send back, one has a ballot and the other has a short form called a postage ballot statement.

so, if you want to do it by post, get cracking.

Blimey. I registered and applied for a postal vote in the first week of May and have heard absolutely fuck all since.

I just figured it was one of those things that takes time, but maybe I need to chase something up :/
 
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your interesting proposal for the secession of London.

I am pleased to inform you that there will be a fucking enormous ground rent for your continual residence on this island, a considerable fee for access to the UK's single market, restrictions on the ownership of UK property by London people (I hesitate just yet to call you foreigners). Not to mention passport controls on Thameslink and the Heathrow Express.

Also, what currency were you thinking of using?

Yrs faithfully

Peterborough etc

Pfft, as if Peterborough's literate.
 
This is all beside the point anyway. There is not a chance in hell leave will win. The best I am hoping for is a close result. If we get a close result that might help put the brakes on Juncker and co.

I dunno, the poll of polls has leave ahead by one point today, which I think is the first time ever? Exciting times! Expect panic to hit fever pitch over the next three weeks if it stays like this.
 
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolinguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.
Are you this much of an arrogant and ignorant arse as your post implies? It may be funny to you that people are struggling and your worth is clearly better then theirs objectively because they 'wash cars or whatever' but anyone that is struggling to live shouldn't be made fun of and denigrated because you incorrectly feel you're better than them. You should be ashamed of yourself.

And I want to stay in the EU and nor do I 'wash cars or whatever' but this is a seriously disgusting post whether you're joking or not.
 

milanbaros

Member?
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your interesting proposal for the secession of London.

I am pleased to inform you that there will be a fucking enormous ground rent for your continual residence on this island, a considerable fee for access to the UK's single market, restrictions on the ownership of UK property by London people (I hesitate just yet to call you foreigners). Not to mention passport controls on Thameslink and the Heathrow Express.

Also, what currency were you thinking of using?

Yrs faithfully

Peterborough etc

Why would an airport in London have passport controls on the express train to Paddington?

London really needs to leave the the rest of the country and become a city state so it can use the massive tax income it raises to improve infrastructure, instead of propping up the dying regions of the North.
 

Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolinguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I hear the Galápagos Islands have a population of giant lizards, you'd fit right in.
 

Real Hero

Member
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolinguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.

Fuck me, is this a character you are testing out?
 

iFirez

Member
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
Why would an airport in London have passport controls on the express train to Paddington?

Heathrow is in Hounslow, not London. Wrong side of the M25 - which we'll have to replace with a wall.

London really needs to leave the the rest of the country and become a city state so it can use the massive tax income it raises to improve infrastructure, instead of propping up the dying regions of the North.

London really needs to understand that it is a minority here. 8m of you and 54m of the rest of us. And we've got the Army in Aldershot - which is also not in London.
 
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?
You should be able to watch the coverage all night but they probably wont know till about 3 or 4am, I'd assume.
 
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?

If it's like the Scottish referendum the count will be done live overnight on the 23rd with each constituency reporting when they're done. We knew the result by about 4/5am, so maybe this will be similar? The count definitely won't be finished on the 23rd though, there's no way they could do it that quick.

Edit:

Heathrow is in Hounslow, not London. Wrong side of the M25 - which we'll have to replace with a wall.

No, it's inside the M25 Phi....
 

Goodlife

Member
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?
The exit poll (which is usually like 5 past 10) will give a pretty good idea.

If it's close, then be set got an interesting night / morning as various results come in.
If it's miles apart, then go to bed, as they aren't going to be badly wrong
 
Fellow City boys what's your plan of action if the plebs prevail? The Eu guys in the office are pretty chill but any monolinguist Brits are probably looking at HK or Singapore realistically.

I'm more passionate than ever that London needs to be unshackled from the rest of Britain. You can't have the global city held back because a few blokes in Peterbrough can't compete with Latvians at washing cars or whatever.
Haha good lord I hope this was a joke post. If not, wow.

Most of my guys are from the continent and are starting to get concerned tbh. Already had to speak to a passionate French girl who was arguing with a British colleague about it. And some others from ASPAC have already applied for citizenship when they weren't considering it before.
 

Hasney

Member
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?

Do you like watching political coverage at 1am? Because all the drama will be brought to you LIVE

There's also no official exit polls so we won't have much of an indication, although some financial institutions are conducting some so watch the £ before you go to bed. If it's getting weaker, we've probably left. Stronger and we're probably in.
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
So this is the first... anything I'm voting in, ever. I'm just wondering do we know when we'll know % for each way and final outcome on the 23rd? Or is it likely not to be known until the 24th?

Sunderland will be first result in, about 11pm on the day. Western Isles will be last, sometime late Friday morning. The rest come in as and when, usually with a big clump in the small hours.

It'll be harder to call than a General Election, especially if the result is close - so final answer probably about 6-7 o'clock Friday morning.
 

iFirez

Member
Do you like watching political coverage at 1am?
I didn't even know this was a thing, this is literally the first political thing in my entire life I'm actually researching and gaining an opinion on - this will likely make me have opinions on political parts for the next election too though.
 
Sunderland will be first result in, about 11pm on the day. Western Isles will be last, sometime late Friday morning. The rest come in as and when, usually with a big clump in the small hours.

It'll be harder to call than a General Election, especially if the result is close - so final answer probably about 6-7 o'clock Friday morning.

That said, if Sunderland is voting 'remain', or only has an extremely narrow lead for 'leave', then that would likely indicate a final result by itself.
 
London really needs to leave the the rest of the country and become a city state so it can use the massive tax income it raises to improve infrastructure, instead of propping up the dying regions of the North.

Yes, and hurry up as well. Working 23 hours a day sweeping chimneys and working down the pit is taking a toll on my undernourished northern body.
We need dat London money up here.
 

Hasney

Member
I didn't even know this was a thing, this is literally the first political thing in my entire life I'm actually researching and gaining an opinion on - this will likely make me have opinions on political parts for the next election too though.

Right, it's a difficult one to be thrust into since there's more Emotive bollocks coming out of all the Main parties. Although, if you can get your head around this one, future elections should be a lot easier. I think that as long as you find you opinion grounded in something at least resembling facts and Not the aforementioned bollocks, you should be fine.

But seriously, yeah. The networks will be going through the night until a definitive side has won. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this should be one where the result does come in overnight, or at least, a very likely winner if 100% haven't been counted yet?
 
The exit poll (which is usually like 5 past 10) will give a pretty good idea.

If it's close, then be set got an interesting night / morning as various results come in.
If it's miles apart, then go to bed, as they aren't going to be badly wrong

There won't be any exit polling though...?!
 

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I didn't even know this was a thing, this is literally the first political thing in my entire life I'm actually researching and gaining an opinion on - this will likely make me have opinions on political parts for the next election too though.

There is a lot of stuff out there. Much of it misleading - some is factually incorrect, some based on not-particularly reliable forecasts, some seems deliberately deceptive. Here's a few of them:

The official Vote Leave campaign: really do take this with a pinch of salt, as it contains some rather extravagant half-claims.

The official Britain Stronger in Europe campaign: Kind of lightweight, and not great on detail.

InFacts: I find this, although it is clearly biased towards the Remain vote, very thorough and reasonably fair in evaluating the more extravagant Brexit claims.

BBC on the issues: Gives quite a good summary of the different stances, but lacks detail.

Probably the most extravagantly misleading claims are these two:

1) That we give the EU £350m a day. That's just plain false. Even not allowing for the money we get back to the UK public and private sectors our contribution to the EU (how much we actually give them) is about £250m a day. Our net contribution after accounting for things like farm subsidies etc is more like 160m a day.

2) That half a million people immigrate every year. I've no idea whether that's the right number or not - but it is misleading as it does not discount for the about 400,000 people who leave every year. Ish.
 

Goodlife

Member
There's also no official exit polls so we won't have much of an indication, although some financial institutions are conducting some so watch the £ before you go to bed. If it's getting weaker, we've probably left. Stronger and we're probably in.
Really? How come
 

Hasney

Member
Really? How come

Because they want to know the result as much as possible befire it's announced. If we're voting to leave, the £ is going to shit the bed fairly quickly so they want to sell off that currency and re-invest elsewhere before that happens. That activity will trigger market activity early too.
 

Goodlife

Member
Because they want to know the result as much as possible befire it's announced. If we're voting to leave, the £ is going to shit the bed fairly quickly so they want to sell off that currency and re-invest elsewhere before that happens. That activity will trigger market activity early too.
Sorry, I mean why no official exit poll
 
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