Succinct Verbosity
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Doesn't mean much. Leave supporters are way more vocal than remain.
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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Doesn't mean much. Leave supporters are way more vocal than remain.
Ether_Snake
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Is it possible that Cameron and co. actually are in favor of a Brexit and are only half-assing their efforts to stay in? They can get out of this clean, "we gave the people the chance to decide Its future", and walk out with a good dose of "admirable defeat".
They still have no opposition so it's clear it wouldn't hurt the party much.
They still have no opposition so it's clear it wouldn't hurt the party much.
jimbobsmells
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I have absolutely no doubts that if Cameron and Osbourne were not in power they would be campaigning for Brexit. But to lose the vote and get out of this clean? Not a chance in hell.
Edit: half their own party is their biggest opposition.
ClosingADoor
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355 billion. Or 210% of GDP. Good luck with that http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/greece
No way they'll be paying that off. Just a matter of time when parts of it gets restructured to zero interest or just wiped.
Thats insane... the interest per second...my god, this is a black hole of debt, no getting out of it
ClosingADoor
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Well, Japan is a bit higher at 217% still.
Jimbob Smalls
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Hand waving happens on both sides
As you've featured in so many examples of it.
milanbaros
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Japan is rolling over their debt to negative interest though. Eventually they will earn interest on their debt.
I have here a brexit leaflet and a remain leaflet.
The remain leaflet has a higher focus on making your voice heard and stressing that you must vote with a side helping of vote stay and some quotes.
the brexit leaflet is full of half truths , the eu costing us £350 mill pw, Turkey joining the EU. fear-mongering on immigration. Statements that make out that we cant make our own laws when we clearly can. statements that basically say we would be safer without the EU convention of human rights.
It pisses me off that people will lap this up.
Postal vote filled out, lets hope we stay
well as much as I dislike him, hes probably right, the public (my self included) don't really know the ins and outs of the EU at detail and cant make an educated decision. at this rate people are just making a choice based on how each campaign presents themselves.
The remain leaflet has a higher focus on making your voice heard and stressing that you must vote with a side helping of vote stay and some quotes.
the brexit leaflet is full of half truths , the eu costing us £350 mill pw, Turkey joining the EU. fear-mongering on immigration. Statements that make out that we cant make our own laws when we clearly can. statements that basically say we would be safer without the EU convention of human rights.
It pisses me off that people will lap this up.
Postal vote filled out, lets hope we stay
well as much as I dislike him, hes probably right, the public (my self included) don't really know the ins and outs of the EU at detail and cant make an educated decision. at this rate people are just making a choice based on how each campaign presents themselves.
LelouchViBritannia
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WTF is this ????
jimbobsmells
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I'm disgusted and aroused at the same time.
WTF is this ????
The mere fact that you would ask shows how low power you are!!
Personally, I wish they went with the last one.
LelouchViBritannia
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I think Cameron nails the pose to a much greater extent. Osborne just looks awkward. Get this guy to the toilet asap.
dapperbandit
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WTF is this ????
Physical manifestation of the dangers of automation
Maybe he's got such massive balls that he can't shut them any more than that?
Yeah it's dumb. Like whatver PR person told them to stand like that forgot it only works if it looks somewhat natural. And now, back by popular demand, Theresa May with her legs open:
People seem to ignore that there is enormous benefit to trade through standards harmonisation, and that effective and democratic oversight of that harmonisation requires at least some form of political union.
Miles Quaritch
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The mere fact that you would ask shows how low power you are!!
Personally, I wish they went with the last one.
I'm going to walk down the street using the second power pose tomorrow.
Fuck everyone who doesn't bow to my display of power.
JonathanEx
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Faisal Islam vs Gove on Sky is amazing.
Honestly, at the end of these Sky News things, once Kay Burley has devoured a new soul to let her keep human form for another week, Faisal will probably win the referendum as a write-in.
JonathanEx
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Better with an audience. Faisal really got him though. But I'm biased against him, though.
Decided trot out the lying figure of how much the EU costs once again though. Even the UK stats authority are calling them out.
The steel industry question was a bit slippery too. If we were out of the EU, we could be more flexible to save the steel industry apparently, yet won't back the EU from helping stop Chinese steel taking over.
Immagration argument I don't get at all. It's discrimnation to have EU residents get priority over India? Well you'd have the power to put everyone on an equal footing now...
Still, even the bullshit spouted was well delivered. Audience questions were delivered with that well prepared bullshit tone again. I'm guess Sky fluffed the audience questions to make for better TV.
No power pose though. He's got no chance.
The steel industry question was a bit slippery too. If we were out of the EU, we could be more flexible to save the steel industry apparently, yet won't back the EU from helping stop Chinese steel taking over.
Immagration argument I don't get at all. It's discrimnation to have EU residents get priority over India? Well you'd have the power to put everyone on an equal footing now...
Still, even the bullshit spouted was well delivered. Audience questions were delivered with that well prepared bullshit tone again. I'm guess Sky fluffed the audience questions to make for better TV.
No power pose though. He's got no chance.
Yautja_Warrior
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If the government 100% believed in the EU they wouldn't even give us the vote to leave in the first place.
There are plenty of countries not in the EU, who still trade in the EU single market, so if Britain leave we will still be able to keep trading, the EU countries still want business / money at the end of the day.
More control of our own boarders, immigration, migration, ability to deport people like known terrorists without EU interference is not a bad thing. I have no problem with skilled people coming here to work though.
Money saved from the fees we pay for EU membership can be instead used to build more house's, invest in UK business, NHS and make our own trade deals.
The current government is weak and I believe that Britain is better off out of the EU and needs to get some of its independence back.
There will be pros and cons of both outcomes but its not going to be the end of the world if Britain leave. I'm voting out.
There are plenty of countries not in the EU, who still trade in the EU single market, so if Britain leave we will still be able to keep trading, the EU countries still want business / money at the end of the day.
More control of our own boarders, immigration, migration, ability to deport people like known terrorists without EU interference is not a bad thing. I have no problem with skilled people coming here to work though.
Money saved from the fees we pay for EU membership can be instead used to build more house's, invest in UK business, NHS and make our own trade deals.
The current government is weak and I believe that Britain is better off out of the EU and needs to get some of its independence back.
There will be pros and cons of both outcomes but its not going to be the end of the world if Britain leave. I'm voting out.
ClosingADoor
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The government has to do a ton of stuff the people in charge don't like all the time. For this, a large enough number of people were interested in a vote so one of the parties told them they'd give it to them.
Sure, trade will exist. Plenty of it too. Just with the possibility of added tariffs and rules. And you don't get a say in those rules also. If you want to put products on the EU market, those products have to follow EU rules. It is also harder to move around money, which is a bad thing for a country with such a large financial industry.
You already have all this. The UK is not in the Schengen zone. You control your borders. You are an island and check everyone coming in. You can not freely travel to the UK like you would across the German-French border for example. The only thing you would stop is workers coming from other EU countries who contribute to your economy and pay taxes. Maybe those are replacing UK workers now, so I can see a point in that for leaving.
You will not save a lot of money. The UK has by far the best financial deal within the EU. You get a large rebate from your EU payment. And your agriculture sector is being subsidized by the EU. The EU also contributes to developments in parts of your country that the national government doesn't fund at the moment.
Money is not the reason why you have a lack of housing. Money is not the reason why the NHS is getting worse. That is on your own government.
If your current government is "weak" then how will it suddenly become "strong" when leaving the EU? You now have less of a say in world affairs because you are a smaller country. Still a pretty important one, both due to economic size and historical reasons, but together with the EU you can reach a whole lot more when dealing with other players like the US, China and Russia.
HOLY SHIT
Probably no-one believes "100%" in the EU, but the government didn't really have a choice about offering a referendum.
Plenty? can you name more than say, 10?
Hmmm..
Yeah, that'll happen.
Yes, more independence for everyone!
Swings and roundabouts, innit.
edit: dammit ClosingADoor! your arguments make more sense than mine
Farmers in the UK are generally aggrieved about the EU directive banning the feeding of beefburgers to swans
http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...hat-Farmers-Think-Better-Worse-Off-Outside-EU
Off the top of my heads the only industry that fully wants out are the fishermen. What they don't realise is that if we were to vote out, our own government and likely any bilateral EU trade agreement would still stop them from fishing in unsustainable ways.
Yautja_Warrior
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Probably sums up the whole thing really, like I said pros and cons to both leaving and staying. The EU is not some magical place where everything is perfect and if we leave, well that outcome will have its own issues too.
Neither side seems to want to admit any faults though and the MP's just do what they do best, argue with each other, avoid direct answers and talk bollocks.
I like this argument the best, because do you know what Switzerland and Norway do to be able to be within EFTA, the free-trade organisation?
They still pay a certain amount to the EU, they still have to implement roughly 80% of EU regulations, they just don't get any say in those regulations at all. Great deal overall (for the EU), but at least the populists are happy.
*smfh* someone actually fell for that talking point. +1 as another shining example as to why this should have never been put to a referendum.
It's just Tory infighting. They've always had their more extreme "less tax and less blacks" side to contend with.
Just an aside, because I'm genuinely curious. Why do we want to deport terrorists? Surely it's best to keep a terrorist in the Justice system here where we can manage them then somewhere they could potentially cause more harm?
I'm extremely ignorant of the situation and it's just something I've never understood so someone please educate me on that.
I'm extremely ignorant of the situation and it's just something I've never understood so someone please educate me on that.
Ether_Snake
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WTF is this ????
Soul Calibur VII character selection screen.
Norway actually pay more than the UK does, after the subsidies are received back. Farage and co have a delusional idea about how great Great Britain is, and just assume the EU will be begging for our business.
LordRaptor
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The dead lay in pools of maroon below
Jimbob Smalls
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I live in a rural area, every farmer here wants out.
Yautja_Warrior
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Well if we did deport them they are not just set free, they would go to prison in another country.
Some of it is down to money. Prisons cost money to run, criminals who can't be reformed and set free are a drain on the system and cost the country money to keep them locked up.
Prisons are becoming overcrowded as it is, so why should we be keeping other countries criminals and terrorists on top of our own.
LelouchViBritannia
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Dodgy Dave looks a little more natural than Osborne. Still Bloody Hilarious
PJV3
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Dodgy Dave looks a little more natural than Osborne. Still Bloody Hilarious
They are still doing the here's my genitals thing? I thought that was just for conference.
Don't be silly. Looking powerful isn't just for conferences, it's for all the times.
Fair enough, but the bolded part is entirely a choice made by this government. Like the NHS argument, the money exists, but the government just chooses not to spend it because they want it to fail for quick privatisation.
Thank you for explaining though.
Principate
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The mere fact that you would ask shows how low power you are!!
Personally, I wish they went with the last one.
He fucked that up too, your legs are supposed to be shoulder width apart otherwise you look like well that.....
Surely the widerit is, the more powerful it is? I mean, look at this picture and tell me you don't FEEL THE POWAH
it's a new day yes it is
PJV3
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We should adopt the John Wayne/Cowboy walk that some US politicians do. Nothing says power like walking strangely on purpose, standing still strangely isn't impressive.
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