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[FunkyMonk]

I've only just seen the "Lets give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week." leaflet. Pretty fucking disgusting... I'm amazed that campaigners are allowed to get away with that sort of shit.

Yeah I've had that one too, like Gove, Johnson et al. will pump the cash into the NHS.

The leaflet also claims that if we don't leave we'll get swamped by Turkish immigrants despite it being almost non-existent that they'll get in seeing as France will veto it and Turkey have been passing laws lately that will make it less likely for them to join the EU.

The Remain side have employed a fair bit of hyperbole and lies but the BS & xenophobia coming from the Leave campaign is breathtaking... and seems to be working based on polls.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Ignoring everything else, leaving the EU means regulation goes out the window.
Food, medicine, other consumer products, all will be affected for the worse. The amount of people getting sick or otherwise adversely affected simply because they use these products will increase over time.
Worker rights will be gutted, and along with financial regulation, is main reason the Leave campaign even exists. Goodbye fair annual leave, working hours and employment contracts.
People complaining about the current employment and public health situation haven't see anything yet.

It's like that one time everyone rushed to vote for Conservative, then proceeded to complain when sabotage of the NHS and social welfare commenced swiftly.

 

[Ashes]

Brexit has officially entered the 'won't someone think of the children phase...' :/

 

[Empty]

one of the reasons a brexit vote seems like a poor idea for me is that the aftermath seems inevitably politically toxic and damaging for our politics and society in a way that remain and the boring status quo won't. brexit is a coalition that's only going to become deeply unhappy.

it's soft labour voters who want more money for the nhs instead of impossible to understand political bodies giving power to right wing tories with little interest in throwing money at public services; it's a big coalition of people sceptical about large scale immigration who want us to control the borders potentially handing a mandate to free-marketeers who will happily maintain free movement of people for the economic growth, or its free marketeers and business people hoping for that opportunity who will instead see us go deeply down the road of isolationism & protectionism; it's the hard left that see the eu as inherently a capitalist institution limiting socialist policy who will never see those policies implemented but will see the eu's existing workers regulations quietly go unreplaced; it's people with a romantic notion of democracy giving power to the likes of gove and johnson who have shown little practical use for it in their careers and have no real agenda for localism; it's people who want less politics and politicians who get more from a) the divisions of all of the above b) having to replace everything the eu does that we still want a la carte which is long and arcane and deeply complex it's people thinking that no longer having to be dominated by france and germany in the eu will restore our national greatness and strength seeing us scramble for trade deals and scraps of political influence.

they are all correct about being excited about a particular opportunity from leaving the eu, there are many that present themselves for people of a variety of viewpoints, but the big picture seems completely unsustainable. at least we know remain as messy and bad as it is just about works.

 

[Phantast2k]

Here's the full interview with Schäuble SporeCrawler was citing a few pages back:

SPIEGEL Interview with Wolfgang Schäuble on Brexit
The most relevant part:

SPIEGEL: But Britain could continue to enjoy the benefits of the single market without being an EU member, in the same way that Switzerland and Norway do.

Schäuble: That won't work. It would require the country to abide by the rules of a club from which it currently wants to withdraw. If the majority in Britain opts for Brexit, that would be a decision against the single market. In is in. Out is out. One has to respect the sovereignty of the British people.

The interview was published in a Brexit focused Spiegel issue:




A Reuters Viewsroom podcast focusing on the aftermath of Brexit: Breakingviews on Brexit

Imagine Britain votes on June 23 to leave the European Union. What happens next? Breakingviews writers George Hay, John Foley, Neil Unmack, Swaha Pattanaik and Olaf Storbeck discuss the possible consequences for markets, trade, growth and the future of the EU.

On Labour & Brexit:

Martin Rowson on Dennis Skinner's pro-Brexit stance – cartoon | Opinion | The Guardian

@juliamacfarlane (video)
Turns out - Labour voters may be far more Eurosceptic than their party thinks - watch @JPonPolitics report #EURef

Immigrants. Immigrants. Immigrants.
I wonder if due to Brexit, the Labour party could split into a center left party and a fringe left / commie party akin to the German "Linke" led by Corbyn.

/

@b_judah
Strong new poster from Remain as anti-Brexit campaign gets personal. About to see on the ground if this is working.

 

[Carl2291]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Dyson backs Brexit.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Dyson backs Brexit.

The guy who got in to serious legal battles with EU regulations over energy consumption legislation because his vacuums designs were apparently higher than competitors, and didn't want to meet power advertising requirements wants out.

Shocking.

 

[JoeM86]

As if by magic...

Didn't similar polls say Labour were going to win the general election?

It's a poll of 2000 people. That can easily be skewed by age, location etc.

 

[Carl2291]

The guy who got in to serious legal battles with EU regulations over energy consumption legislation because his vacuums designs were apparently higher than competitors, and didn't want to meet power advertising requirements wants out.

Shocking.

Meh.

He is one of the most well known, trusted and popular businessmen in the country.

It's a big boost for leave if he's on board.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Dyson backs Brexit.

Britain Stronger in Europe said: "James Dyson wanted the UK to join the euro. He was wrong then and he is wrong now."

Huh, seems like a slightly odd rebuttal from BSE.

 

[Carl2291]

And its hardly surprising to see Leave ahead in recent polls after the TV debates.

 

[Roberto Larcos]

Putting £40 on Brexit. Going to need to have some positive to take from this shitshow.

 

[Hasney]

And its hardly surprising to see Leave ahead in recent polls after the TV debates.

Even the leave campaign are saying that poll is bollocks. Pretty much everyone other than the Independant have said the same thing.

 

[Beefy]

The personal attacks aren't going to help. Hate when people can't think of anything else but attacking a person.

Even the leave campaign are saying that poll is bollocks. Pretty much everyone other than the Independant have said the same thing.

You mean we hope it is bollocks.

 

[Trumpets]

And its hardly surprising to see Leave ahead in recent polls after the TV debates.

Remain have been shocking in those debates. It's almost as if their arguments don't really stack up and they've had to resort to attacking the leave politicians instead. Not a clever tactic when the politicians in question are actually quite popular.

 

[liquidtmd]

The personal attacks aren't going to help. Hate when people can't think of anything else but attacking a person.

Yep. I'm edging towards Remain but these increasingly personal attacks on Boris and Farage are a bad call I feel. The people I've spoken to who are on the fence see it for the bullshit it is, regardless of whether they like them

 

[Tak3n]

Remain have been shocking in those debates. It's almost as if their arguments don't really stack up and they've had to resort to attacking the leave politicians instead. Not a clever tactic when the politicians in question are actually quite popular.

Going to get worse...Downing Street are about to launch a new method...

Take out Boris

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ed-remain-camp-plans-to-take-out-boris-as-po/


Downing Street is “panicked” over the EU referendum amid growing internal signs that support for the Leave campaign is surging.

Private data and internal polling which shows that after two weeks of building momentum there have been huge swings to the Brexit campaign has prompted growing alarm in the Remain camp, sources have said.

It has led to a marked change in strategy, with the campaign to keep Britain in the EU now orchestrating a series of highly personal attacks on Boris Johnson, one of the leaders of the Leave campaign.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Ok a question for those who are better informed than me on these things...
The Green Party are effectively saying those that think if we leave the EU we can avoid TTIP are wrong, as a Tory government would jump all over it.
https://www.facebook.com/thegreenparty/videos/10153575162115785/
But isn't TTIP a trade agreement between the US and the EU, so if we leave wouldn't we have to negotiate our own version directly? What does everyone think?
(I'm totally against TTIP btw if you didn't work that out, and I think it'll get pushed through in Europe despite what France say.)

 

[Psychotext]

Remain have been shocking in those debates. It's almost as if their arguments don't really stack up and they've had to resort to attacking the leave politicians instead. Not a clever tactic when the politicians in question are actually quite popular.

Yeah, they should be like the brexit lot and not care that what they're saying it complete bollocks, just double down on it.

I can't wait for my immigrant free society with fully funded NHS.

If I'm right, we'll be getting a new hospital every week. That'll be excellent.

But isn't TTIP a trade agreement between the US and the EU, so if we leave wouldn't we have to negotiate our own version directly? What does everyone think?
(I'm totally against TTIP btw if you didn't work that out, and I think it'll get pushed through in Europe despite what France say.)

We'd end up with an even worse version of TTIP... because, yeah, Conservatives and workers rights / business cronyism, plus significantly reduced bargaining power.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Remain have been shocking in those debates. It's almost as if their arguments don't really stack up and they've had to resort to attacking the leave politicians instead. Not a clever tactic when the politicians in question are actually quite popular.

Problem is especially with Johnson is his constant u turns in the last few years, from openly backing Turkey entering the EU to now being the opposite. These people are hiding behind racism and deserve all the criticism they get. Sorry but even Johnsons friends have been all over the papers calling him a bare faced liar and opportunist chancer and anybody believing otherwise is rather foolish. Oh and given the abuse towards David Cameron, I think leave have a real nerve calling anyone negative. How can this constant immigration point scoring and covert racism be anything other then scaremongering it's no surprise the average leave voter is uneducated, sums up this whole country just now, a feverish anti foreigner isolationism disease is spreading. The UK will disintegrate within the next few years, when people realise how different parts of the UK are now incompatible. I see the changes in my social circle here in Scotland, from having a family and friends circle of mainly pro union it's now gone to the opposite, even my strong pro union parents want nothing more to do with England.

 

[Sarek]

Ok a question for those who are better informed than me on these things...
The Green Party are effectively saying those that think if we leave the EU we can avoid TTIP are wrong, as a Tory government would jump all over it.
https://www.facebook.com/thegreenparty/videos/10153575162115785/
But isn't TTIP a trade agreement between the US and the EU, so if we leave wouldn't we have to negotiate our own version directly? What does everyone think?
(I'm totally against TTIP btw if you didn't work that out, and I think it'll get pushed through in Europe despite what France say.)

TTIP is between US and EU, but there is nothing stopping the UK goverment signing almost exactly the same deal with US, as long as US is ok with that. Considering the people you have in power though the UK-US version would likely be even worse.

 

[RedShift]

About to get a train out of London to the rural south west while wearing an "I'm in" sticker. I may not survive.

I know a lot of people who's businesses have been really hard hit by this referendum. :/ I dread to think what Brexit will do in that case.

Apparently at work we've had at least one client refuse to sign any work off until after the referendum. It's pretty annoying.

Pretty worried about what happens if we vote leave tbh.

 

[ferrasvansen]

About to get a train out of London to the rural south west while wearing an "I'm in" sticker. I may not survive.



Apparently at work we've had at least one client refuse to sign any work off until after the referendum. It's pretty annoying.

Pretty worried about what happens if we vote leave tbh.

I think at first not much will change, but when the negotiations to enter new trade agreements drags on and we are excluded from many markets I expect a lot of foreign companies to leave and the UK economy to shrink markedly, unemployment will rise very quickly after that and a new deep recession will be inevitable. Maybe that's for the best we have been way above our station for a long time and it's time we are taken down a peg or two. Eventually we might recover but it will be well below our current standing.

 

[Hasney]

TTIP is between US and EU, but there is nothing stopping the UK goverment signing almost exactly the same deal with US, as long as US is ok with that. Considering the people you have in power though the UK-US version would likely be even worse.

Well like Obama said, we'd be back of the line. So we'd have to negotiate our own deal after that one.

Since our government has no real objections to that deal and we'd have a much smaller bargaining chip than negotiating as part of the EU, I can't imagine it being a much better deal.

 

[Beefy]

Yeah, they should be like the brexit lot and not care that what they're saying it complete bollocks, just double down on it.

I can't wait for my immigrant free society with fully funded NHS.

If I'm right, we'll be getting a new hospital every week. That'll be excellent.

Both have made shit up and carry on making shit up. But personal attacks basically mean "shit we are losing and have nothing else to debate about".

Cameron fucked up by promising a EU vote, then fucking up the country with austerity.

*Edit: Ergh now I have a Richard Branson Brexit ad keep coming up.

 

[liquidtmd]

Yeah, they should be like the brexit lot and not care that what they're saying it complete bollocks, just double down on it.

I can't wait for my immigrant free society with fully funded NHS.

If I'm right, we'll be getting a new hospital every week. That'll be excellent.

They can attack the policies of Leave without resorting to 'He's not the man you want driving you home' jabs

I mean seriously, what the hell was she thinking with that???

 

[kmag]

About to get a train out of London to the rural south west while wearing an "I'm in" sticker. I may not survive.



Apparently at work we've had at least one client refuse to sign any work off until after the referendum. It's pretty annoying.

Pretty worried about what happens if we vote leave tbh.

There will be two years at least of utter chaos. The place I was contracting at last week has seen a bunch of orders put on hold, with the implication that those holds will become cancellations following brexit. It's an large scale engineering firm whose orders have over a years lead time.

Essentially, little englanders with delusions of grandeur are going to tank the economy in the short term and hamstring long term.

 

[Psychotext]

*Edit: Ergh now I have a Richard Branson Brexit ad keep coming up.

Wait, Branson is pro brexit?

 

[ferrasvansen]

There will be two years at least of utter chaos. The place I was contracting at last week has seen a bunch of orders put on hold, with the implication that those holds will become cancellations following brexit. It's an large scale engineering firm whose orders have over a years lead time.

Essentially, little englanders with delusions of grandeur are going to tank the economy in the short term and hamstring long term.

I just wished the Scottish referendum had been after this Euro one, it would have been a very different result. However the English are making themselves very unappealing to the rest of the UK and will end up speeding up Scottish independence, it saddens me greatly as I had long seen myself as British and Scottish but not anymore, this whole closet racism shot has utterly sickened me and left me wondering how far right is England moving, fascism isn't that far away from currently mindset of the leave supporters.

 

[Beefy]

Wait, Branson is pro brexit?

Anti Brexit. But the guy is still only out for his own gain like a lot of campaigners on both sides. I can see him getting taxed like crazy if we leave as the government try and get as much money as they can as the shit hits the fan.

 

[Psychotext]

Anti Brexit. But the guy is still only out for his own gain like a lot of campaigners on both sides.

Oh I don't doubt it, just being an out advocate would have surprised me.

Unrelated, perception vs reality.

 

[JonathanEx]

Wait, Branson is pro brexit?

No, he's for remain - I suspect the wording there was just that it was an ad for the brexit debate in general.



Edit: nm, well covered

 

[Beefy]

No, he's for remain - I suspect the wording there was just that it was an ad for the brexit debate in general.

Edit: nm, well covered

Yep it was a nasty red and blue ad with Brexit splashed on it. Then branson trying his look at me I am brainy pose.

 

[Milton]

I know a lot of people who's businesses have been really hard hit by this referendum. :/ I dread to think what Brexit will do in that case.

Describe all these businesses and the particular ways in which they've been hit hard.

Problem is especially with Johnson is his constant u turns in the last few years, from openly backing Turkey entering the EU to now being the opposite.

Just like David Cameron.

 

[DiGiKerot]

Man, all this Brexit nonsense and the rapidly fluctuating value of our currency is really screwing with my vacation financial planning. Shuddering to think how decimated my savings are going to look post-Summer if Leave prevails.

(Though, seriously, a Leave vote is probably going to have a pretty significant negative effect on, if a not wholescale reevaluation of, my current lifestyle)

 

[Psychotext]

Describe all these businesses and the particular ways in which they've been hit hard.

There are already examples. I work with construction firms whose orders are way down whilst people wait for this to shake out, and my wife works for a defence research firm that's having the same thing happen.

They'll actually have it even worse as because of the likely regulation that will spring up, they'll most likely have to move to Europe anyway (as that's where 90% of their orders originate from).

 

[Lego Boss]

OK, I'm calling it:

52% Remain - 48% BREXIT, on a 75% turnout.

When the tailgate drops the bullshit stops.

All those Millenials who have registered to vote will save us from Farage.

 

[Chinner]

Man, all this Brexit nonsense and the rapidly fluctuating value of our currency is really screwing with my vacation financial planning. Shuddering to think how decimated my savings are going to look post-Summer if Leave prevails.

(Though, seriously, a Leave vote is probably going to have a pretty significant negative effect on, if a not wholescale reevaluation of, my current lifestyle)

Don't worry,we'll blame those negative effects on the EU still. It'll be worth it in like, 50 years, maybe? Think of the kids. Or their kids anyway.

 

[Beefy]

The drugs company my dad works for has said business will not be hit but vote remain anyways. I'm self employed so won't feel to much a difference hopefully.

 

[Milton]

OK, I'm calling it:

52% Remain - 48% BREXIT, on a 75% turnout.

When the tailgate drops the bullshit stops.

All those Millenials who have registered to vote will save us from Farage.

Farage isn't even an MP, yet alone in the government. Do you think he would somehow become prime minister if we vote to leave?

 

[Beefy]

OK, I'm calling it:

52% Remain - 48% BREXIT, on a 75% turnout.

When the tailgate drops the bullshit stops.

All those Millenials who have registered to vote will save us from Farage.

Then Cameron to step down and Labour win the next election?

 

[JonathanEx]

Oooh, are we going to run another guess on results? That was fun for IndyRef.

 

[Milton]

Then Cameron to step down and Labour win the next election?

With Corbyn as leader? Not gonna happen. Unless they replace him the Tories are virtually guaranteed another term in office.

 

[gofreak]

I'm legitimately holding off on some big financial decisions (rent/mortgage) until after this vote. A leave vote could have a really bad impact here (Ireland) for a few years, I fear, and I don't want to be caught on the wrong side of a new economic tumult. Heck, I'm even holding off on buying PC parts while the prospect of bigger sterling instability looms. Anyway, an outside voice, but I hope you guys stay.

 

[Beefy]

With Corbyn as leader? Not gonna happen. Unless they replace him the Tories are virtually guaranteed another term in office.

I was being positive! You ruined it now. j/k

 

[davidcotton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

Dyson backs Brexit.

Well that sucks...





Sorry.

 

[Lego Boss]

Farage isn't even an MP, yet alone in the government. Do you think he would somehow become prime minister if we vote to leave?

No, but some Tories polarise around him. If BREXIT win, it may see more defections to UKIP.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Well that sucks...





Sorry.

You blew it by apologising.

 

[ferrasvansen]

With Corbyn as leader? Not gonna happen. Unless they replace him the Tories are virtually guaranteed another term in office.

If UK votes to leave I think Corbyn will be blamed for his half hearted pro EU stance, the unions will be especially pissed at this as they know the potential for a tory government to undermine workers rights will be a reality, and I expect he will be replaced and a very different outcome in the next election could be likely, especially when the economy gets hit by the EU exit.

 

[Walshicus]

Anti Brexit. But the guy is still only out for his own gain like a lot of campaigners on both sides. I can see him getting taxed like crazy if we leave as the government try and get as much money as they can as the shit hits the fan.

Um, no?

I mean his position here is quite clear and honest, just like his position on drug laws, labour relations etc. Unless you think he has done specific reason to vote remain other than voting to leave being moronic, I don't think you're being very fair in singling him out.