Depends on what part of the industry he's in, the EMA is UK based as is the Pharma part of the Unified Patent Court. Both would have to move in the event of an brexit, and since the UKs Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency is basically a shell which cedes most of it's regulatory function to the EMA so it would have to be rebuilt and a new UK certification process created (I imagine that initially that would mirror the current EMA rules but naturally overtime it would drift leading to two certification paths drug manufacturers would have to take instead of the current model which is essential just EMA certification)
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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Depends on what part of the industry he's in, the EMA is UK based as is the Pharma part of the Unified Patent Court. Both would have to move in the event of an brexit, and since the UKs Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency is basically a shell which cedes most of it's regulatory function to the EMA so it would have to be rebuilt and a new UK certification process created (I imagine that initially that would mirror the current EMA rules but naturally overtime it would drift leading to two certification paths drug manufacturers would have to take instead of the current model which is essential just EMA certification)
Not singling any one out. Dyson is doing the same thing by being on the leave side. I can see people on both sides just doing it for themselves and not just because it is a bad idea is what I am getting at. If I went through both sides I could probably list loads that I feel are only doing it for personal gain. I only said Branson because his ad came up.
He works for a Swiss/American company as a auditor. I have no idea what part he is on.
If we leave the EU Cameron will have to resign - despite what he may have said about that - and there will be a leadership challenge which will probably be between Boris, May and Osborne. I doubt a Remainer will win, although May has deliberately been very quiet during this referendum to minimise any damage to her credibility. So that leaves PM Boris, and with him at the Tory helm support for UKIP will die off faster than you can say Brussels.
There has been a big political miscalculation in Labour over the referendum. They've clearly decided to sit back and let the Tories tear lumps out of each other but if we leave then you are right, their Remain supporters will be out for blood.
I think there probably will be a short term hit to the economy when we leave but I suspect by the time of the next election it would not be so bad. After we left the ERM the economy was actually in pretty good shape by '97, although that didn't save Major's arse.
Will he remove his mask then? Or still act the same?
PJV3
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He's one of the reasons I'm gonna have to vote remain. I'm surprised how close I am to voting out, but there's too much risk with the rise of the right, nationalism and fuckers like Boris.
You shouldn't base your vote on the personalities involved.
And it might be worth bearing in mind that the far right has been rising quite well within the EU, in some ways because of the EU.
Carl2291
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ferrasvansen
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It's amazing how the same folk now crying #projectfear are the ones who used the same tactics to keep Scotland in the UK, hypocrites the lot of them and it won't be forgotten either.
PJV3
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The whole point is transferring power back to the UK, the politics and politicians in the UK is a legitimate concern.
Lets see shall we:
1) Willing to lie at the drop of a hat
2) Openly racist remarks
3) Willing to shift positions just as easily if it promises him a win
4) According to everyone who has worked with him, stupifyingly uninterested in how actual government works and what the job entails (the tales from City Hall from his time as Mayor would be hilarious if they weren't so depressing).
He may not be as mad / insane as Donald trump, but he is absolutely cut from the same cloth.
Boris doesn't even want it to be out, he wanted to lose but win over the Eurospetic nut jobs in the Tory party but now I fear it's increasingly likely to be out so his premiership will basically dealing with the inevitable recession and consequences it will have on the governments finances
ferrasvansen
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The ultimate irony would be UK to vote leave and Corbyn to be replaced by someone decent who can take advantage of the inevitable economic slowdown, Boris and his dreams of being PM would be blown apart as the Conservatives will be blamed.
Don't forget that time he conspired to have a journalist beaten.
The man is scum who shouldn't be allowed to hold any political office, let alone be PM.
I think it's happening at some point no matter what happens in this referendum, so I'm not trying to scare people. But in terms of their speeches, they're both very much the same but talking to different people. He's talking to the nationalist base, willing to lie even when repeatedly called out on it and is willing to say racist things and change his position at the drop of a hat as long as it makes him popular. They both just have a little more charisma than the average politician so some people are seemingly so willing to ignore everything else about them.
I think he's too smart to accept it this time if we vote out. Obviously Corbyn isn't popular, so I'm not saying Labour would suddenly win, but whoever takes over from Cameron without a vote is going to have a Gordon Brown situation and they'll lose some seats I predict.
Carl2291
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Politicians are liars and hypocrites. This is nothing new.
Nicola Sturgeon was directly called out for it during the TV debates. Both sides are as bad as each other.
The brief time I met him, I respected the man. With each of his policies I give him the most benefit of doubt, which is why I don't like that he's for Leave. Despite that, if he does know something I would agree with, he isn't portraying it.
Post of the day. Can you imagine him as PM, Gove as Home secatary and IBS as Chancellor?
For no other reason, this future is absolutely why we should vote remain. It doesn't bear thinking about.
Proof if proof is needed that the English are overly impressed with any toff who can slip a reference to the classics in every second sentence (see also Fry, Stephen)
Meanwhile in Scotland, Johnson polls even lower than May and she's as popular as bowel cancer (of course bowel cancer is probably a tad more personable than May)
ferrasvansen
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Frankly I dislike Sturgeon a lot, but she is undoubtedly by far the most popular politician in Scotland and regardless of how much Engish folk dislike her that won't change, if anything the twitter abuse thrown at her from English folk a few days ago will have the opposite effect and bolster her support up here. The demonising of Scottish people done during the last election and this campaign will just push more Scots towards the independence campaign. I spent 30 years arguing for the UK but I'm done with it all now, sooner we all just go our own ways the better for everyone concerned.
Exterminieren
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He's significantly worse, because he's actually a pretty smooth and canny political operator in addition to being a fucking appalling human being.
Absolutely. Knows exactly what he is doing.
JonathanEx
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I'm going to 53% Remain on 62% turnout.
I'll also try and keep a Google doc of these before I forget.
I'll also try and keep a Google doc of these before I forget.
Exterminieren
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Turnout 64%
Remain 53%
Leave 47%
Cameron leaves his post soon after, as the Tories shake themselves to pieces in the aftermath.
Remain 53%
Leave 47%
Cameron leaves his post soon after, as the Tories shake themselves to pieces in the aftermath.
Audioboxer
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This.
Funny thing is I could actually be swayed voting out but not for the ridiculous reasons given often (immigration as a fear tactic is sad, rather than discussing the serious matters around it to be ironed out). Does anyone know if the UK privatises immigration and hands it off to companies to make money from?
Problem for me is all the cunts that run the UK from London. If I actually had faith in the leaders I'd like the UK to stand on its own. Same as I support Scotland standing on its own. The EU having a hold over the UK has its own set of problems for sure.
As I've said on this board before it's sad I feel swayed to support the status quo just to keep idiots that want to rule everything in this country from getting their way, and a small selfish chance at another Scottish independence ref. Labour is a lost cause even although I like Jeremy Corbyn, the whole party needs a reset button and new MPs.
CyclopsRock
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Aren't both sides claiming the other is #ProjectFear though?
Psychotext
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61% turnout.
Leave: 52%
Remain: 48%
Leave: 52%
Remain: 48%
ferrasvansen
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67% turnout.
54% remain
46% leave
And another one to follow in two years as the country tears it's self apart over and over.
54% remain
46% leave
And another one to follow in two years as the country tears it's self apart over and over.
Audioboxer
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For once I genuinely think we will vote out. The aftermath is just seeing how individual parts of the country split the vote.
milanbaros
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66% turnout.
56 remain
44 leave
56 remain
44 leave
cyberheater
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We are going to vote out.
Psychotext
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I will be genuinely saddened if Wales votes out as a whole. We benefit a ridiculous amount from the EU, and sadly most of the leave focus here is aimed at immigrants (not sovereignty, because really... what difference does it make to us if it's Brussels vs London?).
Of course, we have fuck all immigrants here as a percentage, but I guess we just ignore that. lol
ferrasvansen
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I'm not sure I think in the end the sheer possibility of folk being far worse off will resonate on polling day, as for the split it will be Scotland and Northern Ireland for remain, and Wales and England neck and neck.
PJV3
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People just can't get along, we will be reduced to the old Saxon kingdoms before long.
"Independence is great! We'll do fine as an independent nation!"
fast forward
"Say no to independence! Independence is doom!"
JonathanEx
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Dark times ahead.
cyberheater
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65% turnout
52% leave
48% stay
Cameron resigns, general election by the end of the year
Audioboxer
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Immigration has just unfairly been whipped up as the get out of jail card. Meaning the narrative has been sold it's the UKs "biggest" problem and eradicating it will have some sort of trickle down effect that benefits everyday people struggling with money, work or poverty. In reality, it's not that big a band aid at all. Something that needs reworked but I doubt you'll find many countries not needing immigration reworked in today's world.
It just depends on who sells the most fear and negativity in the campaign. Out has really created a frenzy against the status quo. As I said above with a reasonable head I could be swayed. I'd rather the UK controls itself. Irony is a lot of people thinking Scotland had to stay in the UK are probably now thinking we need away from the EU to control everything ourselves. Mimicking what a decent number of Scots wanted.
The biggest cancer is London, not Brussels. But it's convenient for those enamoured by London to shift that blame to the EU/Brussels right now. The NHS debates are laughable to me as it's our Government that's fucking up the NHS not Brussels. The narrative though is sold as leaving the EU means more money for the NHS because of the EU.
Carl2291
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Not really.
Leave are focusing on potential positives of being out more than anything, while Remain aren't really highlighting any positives of the EU.
Everything coming out of Remain is doom and gloom, we can't survive on our own. We aren't good enough. Even if Leave are lying about a lot, it's positive stuff. It's a really clever campaign. Even Farage is hitting the right notes.
ferrasvansen
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Strange that if you reverse those statements reminds me of Boris and Co, during our referendum in 2014.
but what bout the spooky t-t-t-turks
ferrasvansen
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Leave positive, did you even read the stuff they write. Euro criminals, immigration, nhs being destroyed by foreigners need I go on, they are playing clever words games to fool the people into believing they are being positive when they are just the opposite.
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