Oh fuck off.
With everything that has been in the news about Turkey of late you can't be that stupid.
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Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Oh fuck off.
With everything that has been in the news about Turkey of late you can't be that stupid.
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Well I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they know that most Turks' are closer to White Mediterranean than Brown Middle Eastern in looks.
Although even those that know what Turks look like will still be afraid b/c Muslim scary, Asian scary, Turk scary.
Honestly being from the ethnic group that is being used in this way has opened my eyes more than ever to what trash the media can be. In the UK many people blindly think they are immune from the kind of media brainwashing that happens, for example (ironically) in Turkey, but it's the same kind of shit.
The people who claim it's racism are daft. Most of the anti EU feeling is about white people and fact is there's an anti feeling towards them based on their economic level - which is the economic argument around uncontrolled migration.
It's might be knee jerk but anyone linking it to some sort of racism against Africans or Muslims are being willfully blind to the argument made for decades now.
It's might be knee jerk but anyone linking it to some sort of racism against Africans or Muslims are being willfully blind to the argument made for decades now.
I have no faith, they dont care and they want to scapegoat.
Yesterday someone was telling me they want to vote Leave as they want to go to war with Syria, and they think the EU is holding us back.
QuicheFontaine
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Wow, that's a new one to me!
ClosingADoor
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I take it this person is not a soldier or in any risk of being sent over there and puts his life on the line with stupid opinions like that.
The EU is seen as responsible for the influx of refugees from Syria. Of which only a tiny arrive in the UK because... it controls its own borders, something a lot of people don't seem to even know for some reason. So there is definitely some of that involved.
It's not so much a silent majority, it's simply the nature of referenda. Late undecideds overwhelmingly break towards the status quo
that effect in essence is worth anything between 2% and 6% for remain. At the moment most polls are showing between 20%-35% of the likely to votes as undecided. That's reasonably high.
It was a Marine, which probably explains it. HOO-RAH etc.
What? I love kebabs and I haven't had a better one thatn the Turkish-owned one in my hometown. It was a joke about how it would make everyone love the Turkish.
Agreed. This is a pandering view that appeals to nobody and only hurts the Remain side. Everybody knows the concerns about the food safety standards within the take away industry. By voting Leave, we will remove the immigrants who are causing our food ratings to plummet. Less people will need to go thto NHS, which will save us millions.
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never mind the kebabs, there's a little turkish patisserie near me in oxford which does the most heavenly turkish delight known to man, it's sheer decadence
Why would the UK being in the EU have any effect on what a US marine wants to do?
Or more likely, an entirely fictional story.
I wish I was joking. It's made worse that he is a relation of mine.
I don't understand the basis, and there is no logic to it. Luckily, it's a Unique opinion I have not heard since.
It's got nothing to do with the colour of people's skin or finding foreign people 'scary'. For many it's a religion/culture issue, and a socioeconomic one. Britain is an increasingly atheistic country and generally quite a tolerant one. The prevailing attitude here is 'live and let live'. We've had our problems but it's getting better.
However, we see the kind of societies that Muslim nations have and we don't want that culture growing here because in many ways their values are not ours. We also see that Muslims here are much more likely to be unemployed than non-Muslims.
With those things in mind, we have to ask: Of what benefit is this to us? Do we want more of it? Is this actually making my country a better place to live? For a lot of people the answer is no.
That said, Turkey is quite liberal compared to other Muslim nations. Shame it's led by an ISIS supporting despot.
It's not so much a silent majority, it's simply the nature of referenda. Late undecideds overwhelmingly break towards the status quo
that effect in essence is worth anything between 2% and 6% for remain. At the moment most polls are showing between 20%-35% of the likely to votes as undecided. That's reasonably high.
It strikes me that those charts would be rather more useful if 50% was labelled.
Not that it invalidates your core point, of course, but I'm intrigued which of them went from polling >50% to results <50%.
Cowley way? I'm curious.
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Oxfords Grill, down Cowley Road somewhere, yeah.
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The Turks who will have the wealth/power to be able to migrate to Europe aren't the type that will be religious and will have "European values". Even those of this type that are religious type will be the type that keep it private.
So I don't get the problem really.
Also I don't like Erdogan but he doesn't support ISIS.
Don't me wrong btw, I'm going to vote Leave also lol. But the point is what does the possibility of Turks coming or not have to do with BREXIT. It's quote propagandistic.
Hahahaha. Oh gosh I thought such madness was reserved for Middle America.
What was said in the news about Turkey that is relevant for the fact that 1 mio. Turks would come to UK. Or any number of Turks?
That turkey has no chance of joining the EU as it has turned into a crazy dictatorship therefore articles claiming '1 million' will come over are BS and blindly accusing them of racism and 'code word' are equally BS.
He doesn't openly support them, but there is plenty of evidence of complicity with ISIS.
I think many people feel that Turkey joining a European Union is just a bit odd. I mean, it's Turkey. It's like Australia competing in Eurovision, people are like, "Erm, really? Ok this is getting silly now".
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Erdogan isn't a dictator. He won the elections fairish and squarish.
I'm not necessarily agreeing with the accusation of racism, but I don't see how what Erdogan does refutes this.
The fact he won an election has not prevented him from behaving like a dictator.
You're making it sound like Turkey is joining the European Union.
So did Hitler
There's no chance while Erdogan is at the helm. But once he's out of the picture I expect it will happen.
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Erdogan is no Hitler, not even close; comparing the two is pretty insulting even if there are many other independent reasons not to like Erdogan. It also diminishes the historical significance of the Enabling Act and the night of the long knives.
ClosingADoor
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They have been looking to join the EU or EEC since 1963. It's not going to happen in the next few decades. Nobody in Europe has anything to win by it. You really think Greece won't veto? Or the Eastern European countries already making a fuss about the few thousand refugees they need to accept? Or Southern Europe that has financial trouble enough and don't want their money going there?
Former Yugoslavia and Ukraine will probably join before Turkey. Not that I fully agree with a quick joining of those countries, but Turkey joining is a non-issue, seriously.
CyclopsRock
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Juncker didn't HAHAHAHAHA
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Pretty much. For a start, Turkey has no chance until the Northern Cyprus dispute is resolved, and that's not going to be for some time.
Constantinople was the centre of European culture for hundreds of years. Turkey has as much right to be part of the European Union as Cyprus or Malta.
You may be right the Eastern Europeans, but I think that the major EU leaders see Turkey's accession to the EU as a major geopolitical advantage. And they would be right, in my opinion.
I accept it is possible Turkey's membership could be put on ice so as to prevent the former Eastern bloc from destabilising the EU.
A British royal marine maybe?
QuicheFontaine
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And we were doing so well in this thread ;_;
Well not really even then.
Yes, Turkey has applied to become a member back in 1987 and as long as that application hasn't been withdrawn, the "membership talks" are still open. There's that.
However, to become a member a country must fulfill certain membership criteria in terms of legislation and economy. There are 35 of these chapters, and thus far Turkey has fulfilled 1. As long as the other 34 requirements are open, membership is out of the question.
It must be said that Turkey has made progress towards meeting the membership requirements in the past 30 years. But there are areas like Right of Establishment For Companies & Freedom To Provide Services which are considered "very hard to adopt" at present stage and there are two areas of legislation that are considered "Totally incompatible with acquis". The possible membership is still far away.
Mind you, even if Turkey were to meet all the membership requirements, it's just the first step. The membership in the European Union is one of the cases that needs a unanimous decision by all the member states, it's not automatic. Knowing the situation, much has to happen within the member states politics that all would agree to let Turkey in.
Over half a millennia ago, yeah. Times change.
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Major EU leaders are the ones blocking it since goodness knows how long. Germany and Austria have always been the major foot-draggers with respect to Turkish accession.
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Oh man lol
They avoid the 'marine' connotations due to it's media links with the US service calling them that and the US Marine phrase/stereotype of 'HOO-RAH', will probably result in considerable injury. In my experience they are more educated politically savvy RN types and probably the last people who would want to rush head long into a war against a random country. They also work very closely with EU forces typically being the spearhead of exercises like Joint Warrior.
Given Chinners long history of Sarcasm, shit posting and trolling I'm going with the little story being a fabrication.
More fear. Remember that for leading figures on both sides this referendum is about their own political future. Osborne wants to be PM and is using every trick in the book to prevent a leave vote, because if we leave he doesn't get to take over from his chum David. Boris is doing the same, for the same reasons.
Neither side can put a definite figure on anything related to our economic future, either post Brexit or Bremain.
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I could see the first being true, quite easily. The interest rate on UK debt will rise if we leave the EU, at least in the short term - nobody can deny it is a risky prospect and there will be a higher premium on UK debt to reflect that. That drives up the costs of taking on debt and the like.
Royal marine.
True story, not a troll. He's young, probably a lad mentality of wanting to fight. Still piss poor reason to leave though.
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Blame the electorate for the failure of Labour's inept In campaign to reach its own heartlands. Yep, sums up the current shocking state of the Labour party quite well.
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