Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Phantast2k

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Tak3n said:
it was reported that the SNP would want to see at least a 60% in favour for independence for at least 5 years before they would call one, as they know a second defeat would be the death knell of independance
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We'll see how things stand post Brexit and the economic shock (which even Leave admits will follow).

On that note:
@jameskanter
Chatting with EU official who says #Brexit may be what we need to show other skeptic states what leaving will do to damage their prosperity.
 
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Madchad

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Beefy

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@blp_1995
On a boat with Bob Geldof and its awful. I may vote remain, but don't support jeering at fisherman worried about their livelihoods.


@blp_1995
As someone who was on Bob Geldof's boat, and left with others in protest, I can tell you it is everything wrong with strongerin #thames

@blp_1995
Fisherman, please know that most Labour remain people on Geldof's boat left in disgust. Not why I'm in at all #thames


@blp_1995
Left Bob Geldof's boat in disgust. Fisherman, the Labour Remain presence sincerely apologises #thames
 
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Madchad

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Beefy said:
@blp_1995
On a boat with Bob Geldof and its awful. I may vote remain, but don't support jeering at fisherman worried about their livelihoods.


@blp_1995
As someone who was on Bob Geldof's boat, and left with others in protest, I can tell you it is everything wrong with strongerin #thames

@blp_1995
Fisherman, please know that most Labour remain people on Geldof's boat left in disgust. Not why I'm in at all #thames


@blp_1995
Left Bob Geldof's boat in disgust. Fisherman, the Labour Remain presence sincerely apologises #thames
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bobfrost ‏@bobfrost 1h1 hour ago

@Tony_Dowd @blp_1995 @Vote_LeaveMedia If only he'd spent time caring for his family rather than 'saving the world' he would be happier.

Holy shit
 
cyberheater

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KingSnake said:
I wouldn't put it all on media. Most politicians all over Europe were happy to blame everything on EU for so many years and not take responsibility for their failures.
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Yep. I would also blame the politicians.
 
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BlazingDarkness

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How's the atmosphere there GAF? Been in Japan for a good part of a year, head back to England for a bit come August, wondering what I'm returning to.
Surprisingly hard to gauge opinion on my Facebook, everyone seems worryingly ambivalent about the whole thing. I think they gave up giving a shit about politics after pig fucker was voted back in.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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PJV3 said:
The advantage the pro EU side had for 30 years was appearing reasonable and measured and the UKIP/Sceptic side looking a little loony, somehow Dave and George have managed at the final furlong to go completely bonkers.


They Should follow Corbyn and have a holiday, chill out a bit.
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I don't think Corbyn has the right strategy either, insofar as "do very little" seems to, surprisingly, be failing to get any traction.

I'm actually staggered and a little depressed by how bad the Remain campaign has been. It really shouldn't be this difficult to run a positive and appealing campaign about the things that the EU does for us: providing 57% of our trade; structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline; clean beaches and rivers; cleaner air; lead free petrol; restrictions on landfill dumping; a recycling culture; cheaper mobile charges; cheaper air travel; improved consumer protection and food labelling; a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives; better product safety; single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance; break up of monopolies; Europe-wide patent and copyright protection; no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market; price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone; freedom to travel, live and work across Europe; funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad; access to European health services; labour protection and enhanced social welfare; smoke-free workplaces; equal pay legislation; holiday entitlement; the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime; strongest wildlife protection in the world; improved animal welfare in food production; EU-funded research and industrial collaboration; EU representation in international forums; bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO; EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty; European arrest warrant; cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence; European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa; support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond; investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital (with credit to Simon Sweeney).

I mean, it really shouldn't be able to cock up campaigning on something that almost all experts in whatever field agree is better than the comparative. Yet, somehow, Remain is doing it. I think if Cameron loses, he'll have a good claim to be the worst UK Prime Minister since Eden, certainly.
 
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CyclopsRock

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BlazingDarkness said:
How's the atmosphere there GAF? Been in Japan for a good part of a year, head back to England for a bit come August, wondering what I'm returning to.
Surprisingly hard to gauge opinion on my Facebook, everyone seems worryingly ambivalent about the whole thing. I think they gave up giving a shit about politics after pig fucker was voted back in.
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The vast majority of the "atmosphere" that I feel is people making jokes, tbh!

Though a trampy looking guy was trying to give out "Leave" leaflets at Kings X earlier. I didn't see anyone take one.
 
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Madchad

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Farage and the popularity of UKIP is one of the reason we even have this referendum Cameron had no real choice on it he needed to win back the eurosceptics and keep his back benchers happy. I also feel he made that choice on the belief that Remain would shit all over the leave and its so far turned out a lot closer.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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Crab said:
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
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Every time I read this list....no! There's no pan-European patent!

The European Patent Convention is not an EU instrument, it's a multilateral treaty. That's why e.g. Turkey is a signatory. European patent applications can be prosecuted through to grant at the EPO but they have to be validated as national patents in each territory (each country applying its own national law with respect to e.g. translations) upon acceptance.

The long awaited Unitary Patent will also not be a "Europe wide patent". All non-EU countries will obviosuly be excluded, but it won't even be EU-wide as it will exclude Spain and Croatia (and possibly the UK after June 23).

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Hold the phone Gaf. Idris Elba just backed Remain :-O
 
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BlazingDarkness

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Madchad said:
Farage and the popularity of UKIP is one of the reason we even have this referendum Cameron had no real choice on it he needed to win back the eurosceptics and keep his back benchers happy.
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Ah I see
I was kinda surprised actually, the whole referendum thing seemed to come out of nowhere. A few of my other British friends here also feel the same way
 
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Maledict

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Kate Hoey is my local MP. She is one of the most loathsome, unpleasant, vile politicians I have ever encountered, and a truly awful human being. She routinely humiliates and attacks people who don't agree with her. She also had the most homophobic voting record of any labour MP back when I checked in 2010, despite representing one of Londonderry largest gay populations. As an inner city, London MP she was chair of the countryside alliance.

I don't know anyone active in public service who has anything but dislike for her.
 
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QuicheFontaine said:
Every time I read this list....no! There's no pan-European patent!

The European Patent Convention is not an EU instrument, it's a multilateral treaty. That's why e.g. Turkey is a signatory. European patent applications can be prosecuted through to grant at the EPO but they have to be validated as national patents in each territory (each country applying its own national law with respect to e.g. translations) upon acceptance.

The long awaited Unitary Patent will also not be a "Europe wide patent". All non-EU countries will obviosuly be excluded, but it won't even be EU-wide as it will exclude Spain and Croatia (and possibly the UK after June 23).
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European-wide patent is inaccurate, but the EU does have the supplementary protection certificates that make nationally granted patent rights stronger, so they do have some pan-European influence over the effect of patents. I agree that should be put more precisely, though.
 
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CyclopsRock

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Crab said:
European-wide patent is inaccurate, but the EU does have the supplementary protection certificates that make nationally granted patent rights stronger, so they do have some pan-European influence over the effect of patents. I agree that should be put more precisely, though.
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Pfizer and Glaxo say thanks, maaaan.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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Crab said:
European-wide patent is inaccurate, but the EU does have the supplementary protection certificates that make nationally granted patent rights stronger, so they do have some pan-European influence over the effect of patents. I agree that should be put more precisely, though.
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Patents with an SPC aren't any 'stronger', but they can be longer (up to five extra years).

But this is obviously a very minor nitpick on one item from a very long list. It's my pet peeve. /rant
 
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Tak3n

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so the emergency budget is dead in the water

Jeremy Corbyn said they will not support it (despite Osbourne claiming Labour would) plus 57 Tory MP's

so all that bull crap was for nothing
 
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ClosingADoor

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Tak3n said:
so the emergency budget is dead in the water

Jeremy Corbyn said they will no support it (despite Osbourne claiming Labour would) plus 57 Tory MP's

so all that bull crap was for nothing
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Does anyone do any actual planning in these campaigns? Seems like new shit is being made up every day.
 
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trembli0s

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Tak3n said:
so the emergency budget is dead in the water

Jeremy Corbyn said they will no support it (despite Osbourne claiming Labour would) plus 57 Tory MP's

so all that bull crap was for nothing
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Unbelievable. I guess this is the problem when you have disparate, cross-party referendums. You can never guarantee the opposing party will back up what you are trying to do.
 
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Tak3n

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ClosingADoor said:
Does anyone do any actual planning in these campaigns? Seems like new shit is being made up every day.
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What was brilliant was he (Osbourne) said on radio 4 that the 57 Tory MP's did not matter as he had the support of Labour party


OOPS! honestly what a fucking tool

But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, whose party is on the same side as Mr Osborne in the referendum debate, said he would not support an emergency budget.
"We would oppose any post-Brexit austerity Budget, just as we have opposed any austerity Budget put forward by this government," he told David Cameron at Prime Minister's Questions.
He urged the prime minister to "condemn the opportunism of 57 of your colleagues who are pro-Leave", who he said had "suddenly" undergone "a Damascene conversion to the anti-austerity movement".
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Madchad

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Expecting Labour to support those things in that "Budget" you might as well expect to find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.
 
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Dougald

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What the hell is going on with the remain campaign, my god. Brexit was almost unthinkable a few weeks ago but now I'm not so sure
 
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CyclopsRock

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QuicheFontaine said:
Patents with an SPC aren't any 'stronger', but they can be longer (up to five extra years).

But this is obviously a very minor nitpick on one item from a very long list. It's my pet peeve. /rant
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Mate. That's your pet peeve? My pet peeve's when someone doesn't throw in for the group coke, or my friends dog fucks my leg. I wish my pet peeve was about the distinction over responsibility for the pan-european patents.
 
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theaface

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Enjoyed this little gem I saw on Facebook...

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.
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Tak3n

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theaface said:
Enjoyed this little gem I saw on Facebook...
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That whole argument loses it's validity as soon as they slate the leave campaign.... the idea is to let people see the argument on a neutral base, the moment you insult people you lose the moral high ground
 
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Beefy said:
LONDON (Reuters) - JP Morgan said on Wednesday that the lead across a range of opinion polls for campaigners seeking to get Britain out of the European Union has widened after the bank removed a hoax poll from its analysis.

"Leave" now had a 1.4 percentage-point lead over "Remain", analysts said in a research note.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-jpmorgan-idUSKCN0Z11CG
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Yeah I am certainly under the impression that Leave has made significant gains in the last week or two. I was fairly sure Remain would win, but not anymore. But even if Leave would win, they'd just continue running referendums until the correct answer won.
 
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theaface

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Tak3n said:
That whole argument loses it's validity as soon as they slate the leave campaign.... the idea is to let people see the argument on a neutral base, the moment you insult people you lose the moral high ground
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It's mostly a bit of a fun (e.g. Cheggers) but there is a serious point there which has nothing to do with slating the competition; look at who is backing Remain. That's a long list of respected people, whether it be their political legacies, their financial acumen or socio-economic expertise. It's a very robust endorsement of Remain, regardless of whether or not 'personalities' come in to it.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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CyclopsRock said:
Mate. That's your pet peeve? My pet peeve's when someone doesn't throw in for the group coke, or my friends dog fucks my leg. I wish my pet peeve was about the distinction over responsibility for the pan-european patents.
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I have a very....particular set of interests.

And that dog thing better not be a pun on "pet" peeve, or so help me I'll reach through the computer screen and give you a slap.
 
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8bit

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Dougald said:
What the hell is going on with the remain campaign, my god. Brexit was almost unthinkable a few weeks ago but now I'm not so sure
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They thought rerunning Project Fear from the Scottish Referendum would work, but didn't realise that Project Idiot, Racism & Jingoism was their opponent.
 
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Tak3n

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theaface said:
It's mostly a bit of a fun (e.g. Cheggers) but there is a serious point there which has nothing to do with slating the competition; look at who is backing Remain. That's a long list of respected people, whether it be their political legacies, their financial acumen or socio-economic expertise. It's a very robust endorsement of Remain, regardless of whether or not 'personalities' come in to it.
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Exactly, he makes a excellent point until he gets to the leave campaign, then it becomes abundantly clear who side the author is on, to me anyway a argument is much better when you simply get the facts from a neutral source (if that is even possible)
 
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