I think they are just keeping their heads down and hoping it all blows over!
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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I've been following this entire debate, I've seen Corbyn make one speech which everyone laughed at and like a single statement which everyone ignored. Well done guys.
There's been a fair few comments from previous labor people like Brown, Blair and the like, however. As well as good ole' Miliband.
To be fair, I reckon I've seen more people in Labor campaign for out than in.
Oh god, desperately trying not to burst out laughing in the open office today. It's as if reality decided to outdo The Thick of It.
PJV3
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If you look at Corbyn's Twitter account you will see him out everyday in a different town campaigning for the remain campaign.
FlammableD
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No shit!
Roberto Larcos
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It'd be hilarious if this country wasn't 'home', and these weren't our leaders.
I read last night that there are supposedly only 853,000 polish here..... I have real issues that this number is correct, as I swear to god they must all live in my town then
They did flock to very specific towns, it seems. The only Polish people I've met where I live are students who just happened to get a place in uni. Back where my mum lives, there are quite alot of Poles.
Camp Freddie
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I guess the current omnishambles means we've got a good chance of a Thick of It Christmas Special.
I have this vision of Tim Peake returning from the ISS (funded by the ESA, which is mostly funded by the EU) and falling to his knees on returning to the English coast, "You really did it! YOU MANIACS! God Damn you all to hell!"
Then your scale is wrong and, quite frankly, ridiculous.
Where the hell would you put parties like UKIP or the BNP on a scale like that?
To call the current Tory government "ultra far right" isn't just misinformed, it's plain wrong.
Do you have a source for an alternative figure?
milanbaros
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What town is that?
no, but they said they only count people who have been here over a year, so my guess is if they return home and come back once a year, they never appear on figures?
I have repeatedly said that I view the current governments economic policy as far right. I didn't call the current government far right. Hence why I was highlighting how we can be saying the thing but meaning different things. The current government is centre right (or even centre left ) on social issues, and the language it used around complex things such as LGBT hate crime, bullying, gang violence, poverty. But at the same time their economic policy is extremely right wing - more so than any other conservative government in our lifetimes. I'm specifying different parts of the government like that because I think it's important - the current leadership is more complex than simple one size fits all labels. In many ways, the current Tory government is where a lot of Washington republicans would love to move their party for example - ditch the social stuff , occupy the centre ground using the language of the left, but push an extreme right wing agenda when it comes to the economy.
UKIP and the BNP don't *have* economic policies you can measure on any scale, as they are all simple gibberish held together with spittle and bile.
Miles Quaritch
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Local polish population is relative to how many polski skleps there are...
Miles Quaritch
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EU scum. Stop stealing our benefits and school places.
I think that's something to consider. But I don't see why a holiday would be counted as you leaving your place of residence. If a Polish immigrant decided to go on holiday to France it wouldn't be considered that they'd emigrated there.
QuicheFontaine
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I think this was the conclusion of what's happening based on the discrepancy between the number of EU migrants recorded by ONS each year and the number of National Insurance numbers issued each year. Apparently there are a lot of people visiting for less than one year.
I realised that's true. :/ I've focused entirely on the leave campaign.
But someone visiting for less than a year in total is different from someone coming here indefinitely, but returning back home for a temporary period every year. I thought Tak3n was referring specifically to the latter.
Do we have an estimated figure for the total number of Polish immigrants which includes those who are resident in the UK (in total) for less than a year?
Osiris
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Don't forget that we also steal jobs.
Psychotext
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If it helps, some of us are glad to have immigrants. =/
Psychotext
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Same reason I'm getting ones saying that we could build a new hospital every week with the money we spend on the EU. Bullshit works.
Because lying works, and for all the complaints about the Remain campaign the leave people have decided that it is worth saying anything, anything at all, in order to win. That's fictitious 350million has been spent several times over (including this morning a different proposal to what was given yesterday).
The entire leave campaign is basically being run to get Boris Johnson into number 10 now. Their proposals this morning are being described as a manifesto for the referendum. The entire thing makes me feel sick.
PJV3
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Because of you I've been waiting 10 years to see my GP, I hope you're satisfied.
My only wish is that we learn from this nonsense, and from now on statements have to be provable or they can not said...
but of course we know that wont happen
SuperEpicMan
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It is quite scary to think we might end up leaving. I am worried of Cameron stepping down and Boris replacing him if we leave.
Well, the Leave campaign continues to use a figure that even the national statistics body has said is incorrect and false. I cannot in my lifetime think of an election where such a completely fictitious and false number was used by a party, and roundly slammed down as false - and yet they still keep using it.
Both campaigns have been bad and over-exaggerated the effects, but Leave has crossed a line in a way I don't recall any previous campaign in the Uk doing. Admittedly my memory only goes back to 92, but this seems to be a much more stark case of flat out lying to the electorate, and when called on it just continuing lying. It feels like a very American political style.
Both campaigns have been bad and over-exaggerated the effects, but Leave has crossed a line in a way I don't recall any previous campaign in the Uk doing. Admittedly my memory only goes back to 92, but this seems to be a much more stark case of flat out lying to the electorate, and when called on it just continuing lying. It feels like a very American political style.
The Remain campaign is being run to get Osborne into Number 10. Osborne is panicking because he can see his presumed accession to the prime minister's throne slipping away.
Both sides are guilty of it. They aren't fighting for the country's future; they are fighting for their own political careers.
I'm sue that Jeremy Corbyn and Alistair Darling are fighting very hard to make Osbourne the next PM /sarcasm.
If remain wins, Osbourne is by absolutely no means guaranteed to be the next Pm. If leave wins, it's Boris, flat out. Leave is being run as a conservative operation, whereas remain has much more cross party support.
Either London will leave the smouldering ruins of the UK or Frankfurt will get fatter.
Because Corbyn has been a central figure of the Remain campaign from the start.
Besties David & George have been spearheading Remain from day one. If Brexit occurs it's curtains for George and he knows it.
QuicheFontaine
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Lolwut? Didn't Jezza say he was 7/10 on staying in the EU? That's a hilariously lukewarm endorsement.
He voted out in '75, was against Maastricht, against Lisbon. He's been pressganged into this by his party ("You have to be seen to be doing something!") and it's clear his heart's not in it.
Kotetsu534
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This reinforces my suspicions as to where Remain has gone wrong - it's based its campaign on the economic damage that would be done to our economy should we leave. Which matters to the individual listening as much as he or she participating and included in that economy. If you're underemployed in a northern town, is that line of argument going to cut deep? No. Among the richer classes, there's also a vocal minority who feel it's worth taking an economic hit to 'regain sovereignty' (i.e. escape the ECJ's pursuit of ever closer union). It won't matter much to them either.
I still think Remain will win - and have a fairly big bet on it coming through - but the Remain campaign has been disastrous (while the Leave campaign has been strong, if cynical). EU leaders like Merkel, Juncker and Hollande didn't help with dismissive attitudes either.
What topics aren't the public at large misinformed about though? This clear isn't a problem unique to the EU.
PJV3
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I thought that was his point, the remain crew are relying on left wingers who want Osborne out of it.
QuicheFontaine
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Oh right. Whoops.
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The news media for years have been pushing down our throats how awful EU membership is to grab headlines and to sell newspapers and now folks have taken the message to heart and are wanting to leave and now the media is going ape.
Well tough shit. You only brought this on yourselves you hypocritical barstards.
Well tough shit. You only brought this on yourselves you hypocritical barstards.
anonymous_abc
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What other topics are the public asked to decide the fate of an entire country if not continent on?
Which media is going ape?
The right wing rags seem to be happy with what might come.
That's not what that is about. There are only a few individual figures who can shift a vote directly (Boris being one of them it seems). This is part of the campaign of 'look at all the different voices saying Remain' - the idea is to show the massive groundswell of support for Remain across all sectors of public life. Which is pretty much where it sits, both nationally and internationally - there are simply not that many public figures in favour of leave.
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