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Hot Coldman
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I've never understood when anyone would be weary of something based on the reactions or attitudes of others. If they're annoying (and yes, they can be annoying) it's a bummer, but... you aren't going to magically become "one of them".
All fanatical love of a show has given me is crushing guilt for having never seen it. Sorry again, fans of BB, The Wire, The Shield, Mad Men, etc etc...
Surprisingly, I have no problem with the fanbase whatsoever and the show does have great writing from time to time. I'm just thinking that with all the money it generates I'm surprised the special effects and costumes still look so..B-Movie-y. Adds to the charm of the show perhaps?
I have to admit, thought it weird when I found out the show was huge in the US. Figured it would be one of those kinda shows where they just wouldn't get it.
dapperbandit
Banned
I've enjoyed some of it. I'll definitely watch some episodes when Peter Capaldi takes the reins.
But I've seen some pretty shite episodes too, and it all had that low budget BBC 1 feeling to it that made shows like Merlin impossible for me to care about. The sets, the the way it's shot, the costumes, the CGI...don't get me wrong I wouldn't expect a show like Dr Who to be top notch in all categories but it does have that feel to it.
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thanks jimbor just choked on my chewing gum
But I've seen some pretty shite episodes too, and it all had that low budget BBC 1 feeling to it that made shows like Merlin impossible for me to care about. The sets, the the way it's shot, the costumes, the CGI...don't get me wrong I wouldn't expect a show like Dr Who to be top notch in all categories but it does have that feel to it.
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thanks jimbor just choked on my chewing gum
Considering the show is being advertised as one of BBC's flagship TV shows around the world, I'd expect it to have top notch production. It's like if they're generating a shitload of money from Top Gear and every episode Jeremy Clarkson's driving a Matiz or a Smart car. Or if David Attenborough is narrating over nature video footage shot with a gameboy camera.
Hot Coldman
Banned
All the merchandising money goes back into BBC Worldwide. Problem is, they aren't making the show - the tax-payer funded bog-standard BBC is. So now and then you'll get a big whizzy episode partially funded by Worldwide money, but for the most part they're working off of the money budgeted for all drama across the BBC. Eastenders and Who are both funded from the same pot, essentially. (Although Who likely gets the lion's share, grim dramas about domestics in Manchester obviously keep the costs low.)
There's talk that one day the show could be moved over to be produced completely under Worldwide. Worldwide exists to allow for merchandising of BBC properties, because the actual BBC aren't allowed to create anything bar, er, broadcasting, but it does produce shows already. This is what happened to Top Gear, which likely has a ludicrous budget for what it is. Who under Worldwide could be pretty insane.
FWIW I think the show doesn't look overly cheap nowadays. Ever since Tennant left the show has looked a lot better, and less like a Children in Need Eastenders sketch. But it's obviously not HBO quality.
NinjaBoiX
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Coldman, The Wire really is god tier television. It's basically televised literature, and superlative social commentary to boot.
Breaking Bad is superior popcorn drama. It's excellent, but it's not HBO quality.
The Shield is kind of trashy and about as subtle as a house brick, but wildly entertaining.
Mad Men is fo gurls tho.
You must watch The Wire, you should watch BB, you could watch The Shield.
Buy Mad Men for your mum.
There's a good argument to be made for The Shield being superior or at least on a par with Breaking Bad. As for The Wire, I frequently switch between that and The Sopranos as best tv drama ever. I'm happy to call it a tie, mostly. If you really pushed me I'd possibly just come down on the Sopranos side. Wire for scope, Sopranos for performance.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I think The Shield is probably the only one of those I'm likely to get round to, if only because I have a dumb monkey brain and so a show about violent cops is likely going to be the mostly immediately satisfying of the bunch
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
With you on the Wire and BB there, great stuff. Mad Men is pretty good too, and entirely worth it just for Christina Hendricks. We've all seen the pics of her on GAF, but walking and talking she is just something else. But mainly I watch it because the missus wants to, but I do enjoy it.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
What's wrong with it? I think it's cute, she is delightfully goony.
Hot Coldman
Banned
wonder if they'll let her keep that for Guardians of the Galaxy
having a crazy purple alien assassin with that accent might be cool
That's reasonable. I'd be lying if I hadn't experienced the phenomenon myself, although it's more of "well, I've already missed the boat now!" and I feel like I need the speculation and such to actually enjoy a show nowadays. Not true, obviously, I made my way through Orange Is The New Black alone, but with the larger shows it's definitely there. But yeah, when BB was ending I couldn't help feel a little like "nothing against the show, but why is this in my life".
I guess I'm mostly oblivious to how invasive a thing can be when I like said thing. I'm already going to consume most media or such regarding said thing so the size of a campaign or whatever is pretty much worthless to me. So I see where you're coming from.
It's good, anyway! Or I like it. Which may or may not be worthless to you.
Musha_Soturi
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Ughhhh maybe I just need to get into utter shit TV and music so I can relate to the wretched, vapid husks of human beings who seem to be in great supply.
I don't wanna stick my little guy in a fan of dr who, Miley Cyrus or Tim Burton tho
Wait a second, what's wrong with Tim Burton? Ok he can be a little samey, and not everything he does is great, but Batman? Nightmare Before Christmas? Edward Scissorhands? Beetlejuice? You can't be telling me you think they're shit?
I don't hate it, I just don't watch it.
I hate you sometimes
Still on for lunch tomorrow?
Plus the fact that you have to go back that far to name check anything half decent from Burton kind of reinforces the point. He's a spent force.
NinjaBoiX
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Good way of putting it, I agree. The Sopranos is more focused, and therefore takes the "Greatest show ever" prize from me. Amazing stuff.
The Wire is incredible, but unfortunately The Sopranos exists.
As for The Shield, I dunno man, it's just a bit corny. Stuff like Lem playing his shotgun like an electric guitar:
But it's a great show, no doubt, BB is just a classier production.
Yeah, I was being a bit facetious with Mad Men. It's really good, it just focuses too much on office politics, gossip and relationship guff for me.
Don Draper is super dreamy though. I'd have a slice of Hamm.
It is probably the most instantly gratifying of the bunch yeah.
That was the first time I came across Dr Who abroad (Pike Place Market) back around 2011 and I was like "wtf is this doing here?!"
Hot Coldman
Banned
Burton owes me two hours of my life back for Alice in Wonderland. Preferably in the form of something as good as Corpse Bride.
edit: seeing those cut-outs next to the BBT cut-outs makes me sooooooo depressed
edit: seeing those cut-outs next to the BBT cut-outs makes me sooooooo depressed
dapperbandit
Banned
Behind the scenes of a Tim Burton film I just imagine Mr Burton sat by the camera, furiously masturbating as he yells into a microphone "Be wierd for me Depp! OH! Oh yeahhh! You're so wierd, Johhny, be weird for me! Come on you can be wierder than that! Oh baby!"
Hot Coldman
Banned
I didn't mind that but I always thought the original was some corny shit. Besides that one song, and Wonka's freakout at the end.
Christopher Lee as Wonka's dad was pretty cool at least.
Ok... I guess Beetlejuice is only bad, not utter shit but the rest is royal shit of the highest order. If those films were games they'd be sonic games circa 2006
Hot Coldman
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I feel like he elevates it from "shit" to "shit but still fairly watchable despite how shit it is"
either way, the book still lacks a worthy adaptation
either way, the book still lacks a worthy adaptation
Musha_Soturi
Member
Still on for lunch tomorrow?
Plus the fact that you have to go back that far to name check anything half decent from Burton kind of reinforces the point. He's a spent force.
Yeah I may hate you but in a good way
Wow. You think Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissorhands are shit. I see you in a whole new light now Mike.
Scottish thing, it's like hating people from yorkshire.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I think Nightmare Before Christmas is a bit naff too, but my god is it a looker. Oogie-Boogie is so gross! Love it.
I think pretty much every other spooky stop-motion film that followed is better, though. Coraline, ParaNorman, Corpse Bride, the lot.
I think pretty much every other spooky stop-motion film that followed is better, though. Coraline, ParaNorman, Corpse Bride, the lot.
Screaming Meat
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CHEEZMO;89828576 said:
So Tim Burton is like the Gothic Adam Sandler?
NinjaBoiX
Member
I thought ParaNorman was cool. I haven't seen any of his other stop motion stuff though, I should really watch TNBC and Corpse Bride.
Edward Scissorhands is a classic Mike. I don't even...
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I think I hate you. She's neato in every way.
Unsuccessful troll reels in a fish.
I'm on mikeside.
Dude, you're taking it personally. Don't, it's my opinion and its only being displayed like this for comic argument.
I know it's not ACTUALLY aimed at wannabe goths, but that's who I see loving it, so I made a joke connection.
Evanescence are a wannabe goth favourite too, so I lumped them in.
I think the films are terrible, all the rest is hyperbolic ranting. Sorry if it came across any other way.
Screaming Meat
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