British Cycler Admits to Deliberately Crashing to Win Gold Medal (2012 Olympics)

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Razgriz-Specter said:
08 had some but it was mainly about China faking the opening show or something and the girls on their gymnastics team.
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Yeah, the underage gymnasts is the only thing I remember. This year it seems like every day we see the Olympians doing dumb shit:

German rower leaves London after reported ties to neo-Nazis surface
Michel Morganella expelled from London Olympics following racist remarks on Twitter
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Olympic badminton teams disqualified for throwing matches
IOC announces 2 more Olympic doping cases

This is the best the world has to offer. Charming.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
We've already discussed this to death on the Olympic thread. Korey has some love-hate relationship with the UK and will troll us at every available opportunity.

I'll make these following points:

1) There is no rule against it
2) The French team did not complain (in fact why don't you go and read what they had to say on the matter)
3) There was a fair race immediately afterwards
4) The strict officials that disqualified the female British team earlier that day (and stripped China of it's Gold medal) had no problem with it.

Also: Korey is an absolute prick and should have his thread creating privileges taken away.
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There was no rule against trying to lose in the badminton competition and those teams were all DQ'ed. Same thing should have happened here. Swimmers don't get a "re-do" because they had a bad jump off the blocks. The defense force for this is full of blind, hypocritical jingoists.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
So what is your problem here, Hindes doing what he did which has been claimed over and over again as being within the rules (and something that occurred with at least one other team during that day - I guess you chose to ignore that, or... you didn't watch any of the races) or the badminton teams for being disqualified for vague notions of "unsportsmanlike behaviour"?

GB had already been disqualified that day so there was no favouritism.


How does "There was no cheating. The British team was much stronger than the French team and I congratulate them on their success." then translate to "Yeah, they cheated"?

He then went on to say it doesn't look good for Cycling and called for a rule change, as in... the current rules allow for it but should be changed.

Let me spell that out for you again: The current rules allow for it and Hindes operated within them. Another non-British female team also used that rule to ask for a restart but no one questions that one.
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Sure. You're looking at the letter of the law not the spirit of it. I dont think there was favoritism. But the rule is flawed and the cyclists sportsmanship was terrible. I agree with Korey, but not his jingoistic style. I wouldve been disappointed in any country.
 
reggieandTFE said:
There was no rule against trying to lose in the badminton competition and those teams were all DQ'ed. Same thing should have happened here. Swimmers don't get a "re-do" because they had a bad jump off the blocks. The defense force for this is full of blind, hypocritical jingoists.
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Why is everyone comparing it to other sports?

Hey guys, I saw Victoria Pendleton get disqualified for overtaking too early in the women's team sprint, but when I watched the Formula one the other day the commentator said that Vettel overtook too early yet he wasn't disqualified, why is that?
 
It was an obvious joke. The guy was probably embarrassed because of the crash so was playing it off as if he did it on purpose. What was lost in translation is that people take British dry wit literally.

The end.
 
BGBW said:
It was an obvious joke. The guy was probably embarrassed because of the crash so was playing it off as if he did it on purpose. What was lost in translation is that people take British dry wit literally.

The end.
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This would only say 2 things to me. That dry British humor is pitiful and tasteless, and that this cyclist is a moron for joking like that.
 
BGBW said:
It was an obvious joke. The guy was probably embarrassed because of the crash so was playing it off as if he did it on purpose. What was lost in translation is that people take British dry wit literally.

The end.
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Indeed.

Also he's only just been able to speak English the past few years, so it didn't come across well enough.
 
Haven't watched much of the Olympics at all really, but it seems like the big thing this year is stuff like this.

I don't know the rules for cycling, but why not just let people take two chances to get their best time so stuff like crashing wouldn't result in a restart? Sort of like a double fault in tennis, you screw up a serve you don't lose points right off the bat.

Seems like the Olympic rules need to go back to the drawing board.
 
planar1280 said:
Cyclist fell on purpose to win gold
Badminton players tried to lose on purpose to win gold

One was called cheating, one was not
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He fell on purpose to get a second chance at performing his best.
The badminton players fixed games.
There is obviously a big difference, if people can't see that I don't know what to say.
 
poppabk said:
He fell on purpose to get a second chance at performing his best.
The badminton players fixed games.
There is obviously a big difference, if people can't see that I don't know what to say.
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They didn't fix games, they played to lose games. Unless I missed something important.
 
I don't get it Korey, whining about the UK isn't going to help the USA not lose hilariously to China at overall medal stakes.
 
poppabk said:
He fell on purpose to get a second chance at performing his best.
The badminton players fixed games.
There is obviously a big difference, if people can't see that I don't know what to say.
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They didn't agree with the other side to fix the game. Both sides wanted a different outcome.
 
BGBW said:
It was an obvious joke. The guy was probably embarrassed because of the crash so was playing it off as if he did it on purpose. What was lost in translation is that people take British dry wit literally.

The end.
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He is German, they don't make jokes.

poppabk said:
He fell on purpose to get a second chance at performing his best.
The badminton players fixed games.
There is obviously a big difference, if people can't see that I don't know what to say.
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The badminton players didn't want to do their best to make it easier on themselves. The cyclist fell and cheated the French out of their better start.
 
That's absolutely pathetic and the excuses to cover up for this shame our country. If China did this no doubt the UK cycling team would be up in arms over it.
 
The Faceless Master said:
after reading the rules people have mentioned, i don't see how this is cheating...
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I'm not sure people are saying it is cheating so much as it is a manipulation of the rules in a similar vein to that of the badminton players. The badminton players were fixing the game to better their position in the tournament, the cyclist pretty much did the same thing.

The cyclists supposedly have a 30 metre period in which they can get a restart in cases where there is an accident or a mechanical malfunction. I don't think that ruling is put in place to give every one who starts badly a do-over. He knew he had screwed up the start so he took a fall. It's not really in the spirit of things. It would be like if a swimmer could get a do-over if he starts to drown, so a swimmer who missed the starter's gun jumps in and starts flailing about faking he was drowning.

Also the guy who said it cheated the French clearly didn't actually watch the event. It didn't directly affect the French at all (they start on the other side of the Velodrome for that event), it just made them have to restart the race as well which at worst is an inconvenience.

It's worth noting though they were clearly the best team in the event outside of that incident, so they probably deserve the win, but I'm not sure they would have qualified if they only got the one run and he was forced to ride it out.
 
Wildesy said:
Also the guy who said it cheated the French clearly didn't actually watch the event. It didn't directly affect the French at all (they start on the other side of the Velodrome for that event), it just made them have to restart the race as well which at worst is an inconvenience.
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The start is the most difficult part of this event. It takes a lot of power and skill to start up and get to the appropriate speed. Power that they lost. This isn't like regular cycling where the first 10 miles are done quite slow.

Ikuu said:
Can you tell me the rule he broke? And if he cheated why did the French not complain.
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The same rule as those badminton-players.
 
Joni said:
The badminton players didn't want to do their best to make it easier on themselves. The cyclist fell and cheated the French out of their better start.
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Same thing happened in rowing btw

we had one hell of a good start and then restart
 
They need to start back having Winter and Summer in the same year. Olympics haven't been the same since they stopped.
 
Devolution said:
Between this and the badminton players what the hell happened to the spirit of competition?
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I think it's the rules that need to be addressed so this type of competing isn't possible...
There will always be athlete's that will try and bend the rules

Out of all the sports at the Olympics,
not many incidents have occurred in the grand scheme of things.

Though who knows, maybe there will be some more incidents... :P
 
Change the rules. If what he did was within the rules, then fine. I didn't agree with banning the badminton people either. If the rules allow it, then it's all fair. PEACE.
 
If we're saying it cheated the French out of a good start then we have to say the same of the female Cyclist who wobbled out of the starting block and asked for a restart.
 
Joni said:
Did she also did it on purpose? (Didn't see that one.)
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It could have been a genuine mechanical problem, or she could have slipped on sweat on the track, or she could have a terrible start. Either way she knew the rules and asked for a restart. My point is that her opponents spent energy on the start of the race but people have no issue with it.

SmokeMaxX said:
Sounds like an easy way to abuse the system. EVERY race just go slow and have your opponent waste a lot of their energy trying as hard as they can, then ask for a restart right when you get to the halfway lap. Or only do it for important races. It's not cheating right?

Badminton players just wanted to win the tournament. Putting them against the #2 ranked team (even if they were #1) early in a (what I assume is a) single-elimination format is ridiculous. Of course they'd rather play some other team first.
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Yeah... it wasn't the halfway lap. From the sound of things there are plenty of people in this thread who didn't watch any of the races.
 
Sounds like an easy way to abuse the system. EVERY race just go slow and have your opponent waste a lot of their energy trying as hard as they can, then ask for a restart right when you get to the halfway lap. Or only do it for important races. It's not cheating right?

Badminton players just wanted to win the tournament. Putting them against the #2 ranked team (even if they were #1) early in a (what I assume is a) single-elimination format is ridiculous. Of course they'd rather play some other team first.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Sounds like an easy way to abuse the system. EVERY race just go slow and have your opponent waste a lot of their energy trying as hard as they can, then ask for a restart right when you get to the halfway lap. Or only do it for important races. It's not cheating right?

Badminton players just wanted to win the tournament. Putting them against the #2 ranked team (even if they were #1) early in a (what I assume is a) single-elimination format is ridiculous. Of course they'd rather play some other team first.
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You can only ask for a restart at the very beginning.
 
I'm just going on what this guy says.
travisbickle said:
You can have a restart for any mechanical issue within the first half lap, or for a false start. They asked for a restart within 8 seconds of the race starting.
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LOL The last names of Canada's fourth placing Badminton team? Bruce and Li.
And Reuter's is reporting that Yao Ming was 6'7"
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/stor...ng-calls-punished-badminton-olympians-victims

Also, I'm kinda annoyed that a British cycler's comments, spoken in plain english, were "Lost in Translation" whereas it's pretty obvious watching the Youtube badminton match, that the referees kept trying to tell the badminton teams things that they couldn't understand (you can see one team member not even paying attention to the ref). One time the ref was gesturing to hit it over the net, and they started hitting it over the net... and then hitting them out. At least get a translator to tell their coaches what's going on before you DQ them.
 
numble said:
"Halfway lap" usually means the lap that is halfway through the race.
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He didn't say halfway lap (which would be the second lap in a three lap race). And you can't have a first halfway lap anyway; there's only one halfway lap- if anybody even calls it that.

He said first half lap. As in the first lap, but half of it.

Whether that rule is official or not, I have no idea, but that's what I was going by when I said what I said.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
He didn't say halfway lap (which would be the second lap in a three lap race). And you can't have a first halfway lap anyway; there's only one halfway lap- if anybody even calls it that.

He said first half lap. As in the first lap, but half of it.

Whether that rule is official or not, I have no idea, but that's what I was going by when I said what I said.
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You said halfway lap.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
It could have been a genuine mechanical problem, or she could have slipped on sweat on the track, or she could have a terrible start. Either way she knew the rules and asked for a restart. My point is that her opponents spent energy on the start of the race but people have no issue with it.
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Because she didn't do it on purpose and it is not an issue of poor sportmanship. Which is the case here and with the badminton players.
 
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