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British Cycler Admits to Deliberately Crashing to Win Gold Medal (2012 Olympics)
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This is hilarious.
opticalmace
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Any clips of his crash?
Skellig Gra
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My ass, what German adult starts learning English that late in life. Their education system is too good to allow that. Unless of course he didn't go to any school at all.
When it happened it looked pretty iffy, i wrote it off that i didnt understand cycling so perhaps something small happened, but in the light of this it imagine it will come across very obvious.
Napoleonthechimp
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We've already discussed this to death on the Olympic thread. Korey has some love-hate relationship with the UK and will troll us at every available opportunity.
I'll make these following points:
1) There is no rule against it
2) The French team did not complain (in fact why don't you go and read what they had to say on the matter)
3) There was a fair race immediately afterwards
4) The strict officials that disqualified the female British team earlier that day (and stripped China of it's Gold medal) had no problem with it.
Also: Korey is an absolute prick and should have his thread creating privileges taken away.
I'll make these following points:
1) There is no rule against it
2) The French team did not complain (in fact why don't you go and read what they had to say on the matter)
3) There was a fair race immediately afterwards
4) The strict officials that disqualified the female British team earlier that day (and stripped China of it's Gold medal) had no problem with it.
Also: Korey is an absolute prick and should have his thread creating privileges taken away.
If there is no rule against it then i redact my taking their medals since it cant happen. That being said it makes me think extremely poorly of the team who allowed it to happen, i know things like this must always happen but its very hard to celebrate victory when someone bent the rules to get it.
Napoleonthechimp
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The team can't do shit if one of them takes it upon himself to do it. If Korey wants to paint the UK as un-American (lol?) then take a look at the German national (hindes) that did it.
He's a German national, but his dad was British so he joined the team.
Napoleonthechimp
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dp
Eh, i try to stay away from politics in the Olympic thread and in this one, from the OP it was a team decision to do it if they were behind, im only going on what the Reuters article says. I consider this un-olympic, has nothing to do GB overall or America, im sure if we care to look hard enough we can find hand fuls of American cheating/doping whathaveyou.
They had no other choice there, it was 100% clear that an official rule was broken. It is different for the Chinese team that was DQ because their sportmanship wasn't good enough, while this doesn't speak exactly of sportmanship either.
to be considered un-american in the uk is an honour just short of a knighthood.
He just spent his childhood cycling.
But it is severely frowned upon in U.S. football. Only Class A pussies would do it in the NFL.
The most embarrassing part about this is they had to do this in order to beat the Rams.
He deliberately crashed, probably because of a technical issue. My understanding is that it's common. They offered him a restart and he took it.
But if networks in the US offered some cycling coverage then maybe more people would be exposed to the UCI's dumb rules. It's not like we don't have 2 up-and-coming GC contenders on the same team living in the same state and in the same town who are both at the olympics right now.
That'd be absurd to offer coverage and expose the country to some of the athletes representing it in global competition.
But if networks in the US offered some cycling coverage then maybe more people would be exposed to the UCI's dumb rules. It's not like we don't have 2 up-and-coming GC contenders on the same team living in the same state and in the same town who are both at the olympics right now.
That'd be absurd to offer coverage and expose the country to some of the athletes representing it in global competition.
the "problem" being that they wanted a do-over
Rentahamster
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That badminton stuff is ridiculous. I blame the IOC for their stupid idea to implement a tournament that actually incentivizes losing in certain circumstances.
There have been instances of Americans doping/cheating. It's very frowned upon. So are things like diving/flopping. You'll never see a real American defending someone faking an injury for an advantage in competition.
Nor a Scotsman.
Razgriz-Specter
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I have to agree with this, especially from my sporting days.
Now an opponent getting really roughed up on the other hand...
UPDATE:
Video of the crash
Video of Hindes giving an interview backtracking about his previous comment
His English is very good, so it's impossible that:
...was lost in translation.
Video of the crash
Video of Hindes giving an interview backtracking about his previous comment
His English is very good, so it's impossible that:
...was lost in translation.
TacticalFox88
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So, he'll be like Geoffrey and be a shame...of a nation?
Nah. The badminton stuff was taking advantage of a poorly design tournament to enhance your situation in the final. This was faking so you can get a mulligan in the final. This is worse.
Daydream Sequence
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Badminton was far worse. In cycling he still had to start over AND win. Both situations are pretty low-class though.
In Badminton they were trying to lose to get a more favorable seed.
In this situation they faked an injury to get a do-over...at the Olympics. Whether they went on to win or not is irrelevant.
Wax Free Vanilla
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He didn't "fake an injury". He crashed on purpose. There is a difference.
Daydream Sequence
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No, it's actually not irrelevant. They still had to win. I don't know enough about the sport to know why they have the do-over rule, but they must have known it would get abused by people who didn't get a good start. They must have been fine with that.
It was an analogy. Faking an injury, flopping, diving, etc. to get an advantage. In this case, getting a redo. Here's a new article about the crash:
Tactical cycling crash compared to doping
freenudemacusers
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This would never happen in AMERICA. never trust a redcoat, that's what my papa used to say!
I just don't see how the analogy holds up.
Surely you would fake an injury so that you don't have to compete, right?
Whether you think that what the British cyclist did was ethically justifiable or not, he made the decision so as to better increase his chances while competing.
The actions are almost contrary to each other.
Which, yet again, wouldn't be the same to faking an injury, no?
People are interpreting what happened in different extremes. Some consider it cheating, unethical, or on par with doping, but there's not really a need for that.
It's plainly unsportsmanlike conduct, and the easiest thing to compare it to are the players (from FOUR teams) that got disqualified from Badminton for throwing a match for more favorable seeds in the tournament. Not technically cheating, but against the spirit of the Olympics. The fact that four teams did it means that they all thought that it was technically within their rights and the rules to do so. They were all disqualified anyway.
Doesn't really sit well with me, especially since the competing team which was on the other side of the track wasn't affected and had to restart as well.
Maybe if it was only one team on track at a time have some leniency (like the guy whose seat disintegrated) but for head-to-head events where competitors can't interfere with each other I'd assume the start seems like something you should have to get right, especially since it's not an event with a rolling type start.
Maybe if it was only one team on track at a time have some leniency (like the guy whose seat disintegrated) but for head-to-head events where competitors can't interfere with each other I'd assume the start seems like something you should have to get right, especially since it's not an event with a rolling type start.
travisbickle
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He fell within 10 seconds of a 4 minute time trial, anyone who actually cares about the sport saw the man had serious issues coming out of the gate, and in the rules it states you can restart if there's an issue.
But of course the internet runs wild with semantics, because you have to say the correct thing and use the correct grammar every second of every day, even when you're live on tv after just winning olympic gold.
But of course the internet runs wild with semantics, because you have to say the correct thing and use the correct grammar every second of every day, even when you're live on tv after just winning olympic gold.
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Anyone taking this thread or that sceptic douche nozzle seriously by now needs to leave Gaf for pastures dumber.
Much as Korey is shite, this is worth discussing.
But in a civilised way without hypocrisy, salty biter tears or blatant trolling I would say.
All things far above Koreys peasant mind.
Well, actually, even then a spokesman for the IOC disagrees.
I think there is something of a distinction to be drawn between what happened with the badminton and what happened in the cycling. The badminton players were chided because there is an (implicit) assumption that in these games every athlete, whether playing individually or as part of a team, will work their sincere hardest to defeat the opposition, within the rules of the game in question. By losing on purpose, the badminton players worked against that ethos.
However, what the cyclist did was part of that spirit. He worked within the rules of the game to ensure that he could play at his very best.
And lol at me being quoted in the OP.
travisbickle
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You can have a restart for any mechanical issue within the first half lap, or for a false start. They asked for a restart within 8 seconds of the race starting.
From the article:
That's not explaining "why it's different" that one case of unsportsmanlike conduct is punishable but not another, that's just stating one arbitrary point and using that as an excuse to sweep this under the rug.
"Depriving paying fans of a competition" is the basis for which all sportsmanship cases will be handled now? So, as long as fans aren't "deprived" of money and "best efforts" to win are made, all unsportmanlike behavior is ok?
The second point doesn't even have anything to do with this situation, the whole point of deliberately crashing was to get a do-over so they could win. Also, I'm not sure how he can "clearly say" that best efforts were made by the British team when the actual team admitted they crashed on purpose.
That spokesperson needs to crash deliberately to get a do-over on his answers
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