It still always leaves me curiousIf you followed any Brexit thread on GAF you'd easily know the answer to that question
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British PM Theresa May Brexit Speech 17th January 2017 at 11:45AM GMT
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If the EU gives May what she wants in an unqualified way (e.g. all the trade perks, none of the rest), I think more countries could wind up following the UK out. Don't think the EU can afford to blink.
autumnleaf
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Parliament should get a vote on triggering Article 50 after the Supreme Court makes a decision and Labour have already called out May on the Tories going against their manifesto pledge of staying in the Single Market. If Labour has any spine they could show it here. They won't though obviously, they'll roll over.
31GhostsIV
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Just got in and catching up.
So... how much value did she knock off of the pound this time?
So... how much value did she knock off of the pound this time?
Garrett Hawke
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Constantly torn internally between WANTING people to suffer for this decision but being aware that everyone, including those who were against it, will suffer too.
Ugh.
By saying, she respects their stance on 4 freedoms. but she rejects that, so we will leave the single market if that is your stance, still wants free trade, but give Britain a bad deal and we will take no deal, which will also hurt you (EU)
Called out (is the 4 freedoms really that concrete)
picking up our ball ( fine then, we will leave)
Bony Manifesto
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The former. May was very clear that she was not afraid of leaving without a deal in place (and that it would be preferable to leaving with a "bad" deal).
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I don't disagree that the BBC was impartial, and I do agree they are hard on Corbyn.
But Corbyn is a loon.
She talked about putting the deal to parliament. Didn't say anything to art. 50.
Oh good, we can fix this massive farce after I have spent the rest of my working life trying to make ends meet in an offshore tax haven.
None, it's up.
Praetorpwj
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I doubt many Welsh voted for Thatcher. This is self inflicted.
If that ever happens it will never be as good a deal as it was the first time. No special snowflake anymore.
She was asked the question, about what would happen if they reject it. She didn't answer that question.
Yep. That's why the EU will even go against its own interests in these talks.
Wales voted to remain. These are not the people that should suffer.
Royal_Phalanx
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It is with the Scottish Nationalists!
https://twitter.com/theSNP
One heck of a divided nation incoming, although it's been getting split pretty badly for a while now.
jufonuk
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Hmm she could be tanking the economy to make us beg for staying.
Sod it , mad cow disease strikes back
Principate
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I think we can we'll just be substantially worse off for it. Keep in mind the UK was one of the largest economies in the EU. Just as it's going to substantially hurt us, it's going to substantially hurt them, but they have a bit id a break in terms business moving headquarters, but the uk makes up a rather large proportion of EU trade. No-one is really winning in this scenario.
Yup. The fact the average "man on the street" has no idea just how good our current deal is infuriating.
AHA-Lambda
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Wales voted to leave.
HazySaiyan
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May: We want tariff free trade with the EU and a customs agreement.
EU: You're not getting that without staying in the single market and accepting the Four Freedoms.
May: Well we don't want that!
EU: Then there's nothing more to be said.
May: ...We want tariff free trade with the EU and a customs agreement.
EU: You're not getting that without staying in the single market and accepting the Four Freedoms.
May: Well we don't want that!
EU: Then there's nothing more to be said.
May: ...We want tariff free trade with the EU and a customs agreement.
what?
Because she knows parliament has no chance but to agree with it unless they want WTO rules.
With that move she basically took parliament out of the equation. Because falling of a cliff is still better than nuking yourself.
The pound dropped yesterday because they already knew what she was going say. Won't move much.
This the crux of the matter and it has not changed since before the vote was even held.
Frankfurter
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The EU can't give the UK a "good" trade deal outside of EEA. It's simply impossibly, because it would undermine its very existance. Even if the EU suffers from that (and it will, no doubt about that), it will have to deal with that. Which means the UK is fucked, if it really goes through with this "strategy", because it obviously will be hurt much worse.
Of course, May and her advisers know that perfectly well, so I'd argue that this is just pandering to her base and when things don't work out (as to be expected), she'll blame the EU for acting irresponsibly. It's indeed a game she is playing. Unfortunately with the lives of people in the UK and the EU.
And the double irony is by then you will probably vote to stay out
as you will be a cranky old git with the rest of usSorry, I got Wales and Northern Ireland mixed up!
FortuneFaded
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It went back up during her speech because the markets like the certainty of knowing what's in place.
Zvonimir Boban
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Same here, as always it's gonna be the poorest and most vulnerable people who will be fucked over the most. On the other hand, the smug xenophobia and racism that accompanied the campaign and result mean I won't feel guilty for enjoying the schadenfreude that will follow a hard Brexit.
I don't think things will playout like that at all, open up to Indian and Chinese markets for example demand that their citizens have freedom of movement in your country, so how exactly will you accomplish that and strict borders, without discriminate people based solely on the volume of their wallet?
Yeah, you could see it already in this speech.
If the EU doesn't do this/that/the-other, look at all the damage they'll do to themselves as well as us.
She's trying to shift the burden of responsibility onto the EU, ignoring that the UK has brought this entirely on itself in the first place. The EU did not want any of this.
Or, because she said Parliament would get a vote on the deal.
At least, that's the dialogue I'm hearing.
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QuicheFontaine
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It's weird people often seem to think this. Not the first time I've seen it.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
You are correct. My Bloomberg terminal is showing the percentage change the wrong way which is a bit troublign
agree with that.... this is the opening negotiation to me, with one caveat, I don't think she will move on immigration control
Starwolf_UK
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Theresa will get what she wants either way. She said no deal is better than a bad deal.
Huh? Pretty clear from the speech that she wants a Canada style trade agreement. You can think that's the wrong approach (I do) but it's not an unreasonable thing to try to negotiate with the EU.
It's not like they would wise up to the fact that it's their fault though, it'll just be more blaming on others so I think there is any satisfaction in schadenfreude at all. Just suffering.
Yeah, India for example have already said they won't budge on free movement.
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I haven't even thought of the extra costs this negotiation is adding to both UK taxpayers and EU taxpayers (of which Brits are both members of).
Expanding trade with the rest of the world also just means going against China, Korea, Japan, Germany etc, etc, it's a dog eat dog world. It's not like the world is waiting for more competition.
A year ago the UK didn't even have any trade negotiators. I wonder how it's looking now.
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