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Bungie told Naughty Dog not to go all in on a live service game
Punished Miku
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So Bungie did tell them to cancel it. Naughty Dog agreed.
I guess go all in here means, finish the game.
I guess go all in here means, finish the game.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Bungie .... were the good guys?
MiguelItUp
Member
Haha, yeah, I guess they know a thing or two about that. Especially with all of the "restructuring" they've been doing. What a mess.
RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Bungie .... were the good guys?
What a fucken plot twist man. After I spent all this time slagging them off and slating them.
*slowly looking up towards the camera*
I guess we were the villains all along…
FIN.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Not to cancel it
Just that making it successful would consume the entire studio’s resources
ND said - no thanks
KaiserBecks
Member
A regular MP mode would’ve been enough.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I wonder if Naughty Dog told Bungie to stick with their cool CEO.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Go from a great mp in part one to being clueless for a follow-up.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Maybe Bungie didn’t want Naughty Dog competing with them.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
ND has been one of the pinnacle single player studios for two decades and their MP stuff were always just nice freebies.
Why the fuck Sony think it was a great idea to let them all in for a service game? Now 4 years have past since Part 2 and they couldn't even release a fucking teaser for their next project. What a waste of resources.
Why the fuck Sony think it was a great idea to let them all in for a service game? Now 4 years have past since Part 2 and they couldn't even release a fucking teaser for their next project. What a waste of resources.
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Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
Pretty much.
But ND wanted it to be more fleshed out to the point that it needed to be it's own game.
Guess Bungie gave them feedback about the risks, which apparently resulted in ND not going through with Factions 2.
So, turns out Bungie gave the anti-Gaas crowd a W, even though they get all the blame.
Venom Snake
Member
I could have told them myself for $1b, no more.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
The original Factions had some real scummy monetization but it’s an amazing experience that lots of people still play today, and it didn’t require all of ND’s resources. It was included with a long and well received single player game.
They should have retooled it into something more like the original, something that could stand on its own and doesn’t need massive resources as a service game like Destiny.
Launch the game, sell some expansions and skins, give out new maps, done. You can still make money doing that.
They should have retooled it into something more like the original, something that could stand on its own and doesn’t need massive resources as a service game like Destiny.
Launch the game, sell some expansions and skins, give out new maps, done. You can still make money doing that.
Lunarorbit
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Whatever jason. Such horseshit
He goes on to compare that factions could have been like other single player gaas, anthem and redfall. People still play the original factions. Bungie totally axed factions and Neil didn't have the forethought to protect it.
He goes on to compare that factions could have been like other single player gaas, anthem and redfall. People still play the original factions. Bungie totally axed factions and Neil didn't have the forethought to protect it.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Did the advice use any Classic Car analogies?
PC has it's own domain, y'all need to understand there's a necessity to build a hybrid pc /console, it's no longer an option to look back, if y'all want to join live service games, you have to join pc first, the division isn't real, people don't care, just like how Nintendo built the switch, these consumers don't really care, they just bought the switch.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
His agenda is so obvious, typical scoundrel.
"Very honest" of Bungie to advise the cancelation of Factions but not say the same about Concord, developed by ex-Bungie staff.
Shameless stuff.
They didn't advise the cancellation. They focused grouped and advise them of what would be necessary to run a successful GaaS over years. Something Naughty Dog thought over and eventually said they didn't want to commit to because it would pull the entire team away from other projects. Concord was already pretty far along in development when Bungie was acquired in June 2022. Firewalk was acquired less than a year later in April 2023 with the reveal of the game the next month in May 2023. Meanwhile Naughty Dog was still releasing concept art.
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Punished Miku
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That does make more sense honestly.
rm082e
Member
I thought this was already known? This is what I took away from the reporting around TLOU GaaS getting canceled. Somebody at that time said Bungie had taken a look at their game and "gave them feedback". Maybe I was just filling in the gaps with assumptions that Bungie was like "RUN BITCH!!! RUUUUNNNN!!!!!!!"
clarky
Gold Member
Sure, but its good to learn from others mistakes no?
Bartski
Gold Member
The fact they chose to bin rather than downscope can either mean they went so deep into the gaas design they would need few more years to revert it into a niche MP doomed not to make ALL THE MONEY, or that it was shit, as a gaas - tlou abomination of sorts. Or both. Damn shame either way
Nankatsu
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Naughty Dog Has ‘No Comment’ On The Last Of Us Factions, In Development Since 2020
The Last of Us Factions continues to be one of Sony’s weirdest in-development projects. That is, if it’s still in development at all.
www.forbes.com
This article is from November 2023 when Neil was still saying "no update" after only releasing a piece of concept art in 2022 and one month before the cancellation post. By that time Concord, Helldivers, and Fairgame$ had already been revealed in the May 2023 Showcase. It was too late to cancel by that time, but not for Naughty Dog who had nothing to show.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bungie to Naughty Dog: Dont go all in on GaaS
Bungie to Bungie: Go All In on GaaS
Bungie to Bungie: Go All In on GaaS
yurinka
Member
Bungie never has been in the position of canceling a PS Studios games or to tell them to cancel it. And they weren't ND advisors.
SIE publishing, Bungie and PS Studios experts on GaaS specific parts were put together in the SIE Live Services Center of Excellence to share knowledge about GaaS specific topics, make shared best practices and pipeline, and to review the GaaS specific parts of all SIE games (all the ones from both PS Studios and Bungie) that are live or under development:
So the SIE Live Services Center of Excellence -not only Bungie- gave ND feedback and guidelines about the GaaS aspects of TLOU Online as they did to any SIE GaaS title, not about the game itself.
And then with that, ND (not Bungie, not the Center of excellence) decided to cancel TLOU Online because the amount of resources that would take after launch to perform well enough was bigger than they originally expected, to the point that it would affect the single player projects they have under development.
ND thought they had to decide between the ND single player games and the live service game, and ND decided to keep the single player games.
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nial
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The thing is that Firewalk was pretty much set up to create live service games, this was not the case of a SP-focused studio pivoting to make GAAS like Arkane Austin, Rocksteady, or what could have been, Naughty Dog.
I still don't get all the outrage over The Last of Us Online's cancellation when ND outright said this last year:
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EruditeHobo
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When a studio is assessing the state of a hugely ambitious project, especially when making a decision on go/no go, you know what they don't do? They don't make a decision to pull the plug for likely many, many reasons... but then go "well hey let's INSTEAD pivot -- this is still going to take a ton of manhours and resources, but lets turn what we do have here, which is obviously not really working (otherwise we wouldn't be making this decision) and which was developed as something COMPLETELY different... let's turn it into the kind of game/multiplayer DLC that used to be released over 10 years ago!"
For many reasons that you perhaps will never understand, things simply don't work like this. And the fact that you feel the need to throw in a pathetic Neil dig at the end just really cements that you don't know what these kinds of decisions and conversations look like at all... just like many others who would flippantly comment on these kinds of moves with no insight whatsoever.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Tip for ND employees anytime a Bungie employee butts into your office telling you what to do about GAAS.
Dont listen to them. Your studio makes solid games and Factions 1 was a good mode too. Bungie is a trainwreck, almost in the red (losing money) and had to ditch 375 (about 30%) of workers in layoffs and shifting to Sony studios. Never take advice from losers.
They only egged you on to cancel so Factions 2 wouldnt compete with their GAAS games. If Bungie and the rest of the GAAS overseers really knew what they were doing Concord would be releasing in 3 weeks in its current laughable state.
Dont listen to them. Your studio makes solid games and Factions 1 was a good mode too. Bungie is a trainwreck, almost in the red (losing money) and had to ditch 375 (about 30%) of workers in layoffs and shifting to Sony studios. Never take advice from losers.
They only egged you on to cancel so Factions 2 wouldnt compete with their GAAS games. If Bungie and the rest of the GAAS overseers really knew what they were doing Concord would be releasing in 3 weeks in its current laughable state.
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