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Buy/Sell/Trade 2011
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Infinitemadness
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Positive feedback for Lambtron. Prompt payment. Item's shipped today, bud.
samus4ever
Banned
Selling Killzone 3 - 20.00 Shipped
Bad Company 2 (Greatest Hits/PS3) - 13.00 Shipped
Killzone has a small crack on the case. Everything else is in excellent condition. All items include game, case, and manual.
Bad Company 2 (Greatest Hits/PS3) - 13.00 Shipped
Killzone has a small crack on the case. Everything else is in excellent condition. All items include game, case, and manual.
Seraphinianus
Banned
Gone.
Positive feedback for Knee!
Positive feedback for Knee!
The User-Submitted Feedback List. Is it updated and accurate as of this post? You bet your sweet ass it is. We got more people to add to NeoGAF Plus? Oh yeah. We got people to add to NeoGAF Plus.
- Let's all welcome kodt as a member of NeoGAF Plus! kodt earned ten positive feedback mentions that have accumulated within this thread. kodt just had a really bad afternoon, so everyone should be nice to him. He got mistaken as Carl Winslow from Family Matters. That's enough to make anyone's day bad.
- Let's all welcome moop2000 to the folds of NeoGAF Plus! moop2000 has earned ten positive feedback mentions that are listed within this thread. He's from West Philadelphia, born and raised, on the playground is where he spent most of his days. Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool, all shootin' some b-ball outside of the school, when a couple of guys, who were up to no good, started making trouble in his neighborhood. He got in one little fight and his mom got scared, she said "you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air. He whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "Fresh" and it had dice in the mirror. If anything, he could tell that this cab was rare, but he was like "Nah, forget it - Yo homes, to Bel-Air! He pulled up to a house about 7 or 8 and yelled to the cabbie "Yo homes, smell you later!" He looked at his kingdom, he was finally there, to sit on his throne as the Prince of Bel-Air.
- Let's all welcome Mizzou Gaming to the folds of NeoGAF Plus! Mizzou Gaming has racked up ten positive feedback mentions that are listed within this thread. I don't really like the rest of you all that much. But Mizzou Gaming? Well, he's all right. In fact, Mizzou Gaming, the roofies are kicking in. You can do whatever you want to me.
- Let's all welcome Mutanthands to the super exclusive club that is NeoGAF Plus! Mutanthands has earned ten positive feedback mentions that are available for your perusal in this thread. Though I wouldn't trust any of those too much. Mutanthands once sold me some "magic" beans. He said they were magic beans, but I ain't seen them do shit. You owe me some magic beans, Mutanthands.
- Let's all welcome ronito to Valhalla that is NeoGAF Plus! ronito has ten positive feedback mentions listed within this thread. ronito is a great guy, but he has a horrible addiction. Don't get me wrong, it's not to coke or alcohol or anything like that. He gets off on shoving butter knives into light sockets. It's messed up, but it's the world we live in. If you see him post anywhere on the forums, tell him "Benjamin Franklin". He'll know what it means.
Jsquared77
Member
Gears of War 3 (Mechanic Baird) for sale. Got it from Best Buy pre-order but I suck too much as Gears multiplayer to bother using it. They are going for $15 on ebay so I figure $5 is a fair GAF price.
We got some things I'd really like to bring up with you guys. I disappeared for about a month to see what the thread would be like when I came back. And unfortunately, I think it's about time we set down some rules and guidelines. I know you guys don't like it when we do this, but I think that most of you will agree that these are more than fair, and unfortunately necessary. Please understand that I don't want to single any one particular user out or anything like that. I love all of you, and I want this thread to get better. If you've ever appreciated the work I've put into maintaining this thread and the user-submitted feedback list, please, please go along with these new guidelines and rules. It'll make this thread better for absolutely everybody, I promise.
- Reposts
So I went away for a month and it took me about 30 minutes to update the user-submitted feedback list. That's including a bit of allotted time for how god-awfully slow Google Documents is with a document that size. You might be thinking "Crisis, it only took you 30 minutes to update that list from almost 1000 posts?" Yep. You want to know how? Because so, so many of the posts in this thread are either people leaving feedback, or reposts of items for sale.
Think about a prospective buyer that hasn't done business in this thread before. They're almost certainly inclined to not look back far enough in the thread to see a bunch of the items that are listed because it looks like a bunch of positive feedback mentions for everyone and it looks like a giant load of reposts. Far too many people are merely posting when the page is still new, and not even waiting 100 posts or even 50 posts. This has got to change.
So I want to implement a new policy where every seller waits 150 posts to repost their items for sale. That's three pages if you're on the standard GAF settings, and a page and a half if you're on the 100-posts-per-page setting. This would benefit each and every seller in this thread, and it'd benefit any potential buyer, as they'd get to see more of what's for sale.
- No More Linking to Auction Sites
You know why people on GAF like doing business in this thread? Because it isn't eBay. I speak for everyone, I think, when I say that we don't like paying out fees to sell our items. The fewer of those, the better. We also don't like paying fees to BUY items. We've got people linking here on NeoGAF to their auction sites or to eBay, and I really want it to stop. For starters, we need to keep GAF business here on GAF. But if that reason's not good enough, it's technically against NeoGAF's terms of service to link to an auction site, anyway. It's not really enforced in this thread because it's sort of a gray area in terms of the rules. But nevertheless, if you want to do business here, then do business here - don't link to another site to do it. Pass the savings onto your fellow GAFfers.
- Seller Pricing/Promotional Item Sales
I'd like to clarify once and for all my official position on the matter of pricing in this thread. In the Buy/Sell/Trade Thread, you can sell any item you want for any amount of money you want. If you want to sell a copy of Madden 2003 for the Gamecube for $84.47, you can do that. And the rest of you need to get off that person's ass about it. On the other hand, if you happen to know of another user or site that is selling a copy of Madden 2003 for the Gamecube for $0.82, you can feel free to state so within this thread, or you can PM the user selling it for $84.47 to let them know about it. Seriously - stop whining about it in the thread. This is capitalism. The item will sell if it's appropriately-priced. It won't sell if it isn't.
For promotional items and codes and that kind of thing, I don't care if someone paid exactly $0.00 for them, or paid $1.75 for shipping/handling to get it, and they are asking $35 for it in the thread. It's their item to sell on the thread. If you know how they got it for that price and it's possible to duplicate it, feel free to list how to do it in this thread. How much you paid for the item is irrelevant when it comes to selling it here in the thread. Stop complaining about it.
lilralphie
Member
Crisis said:
Amen, would improve things. Thank you for the work you do on this thread. Now I'm sure the complaining will begin.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
lilralphie said:
I think re-posting every 100 posts is fair since that's how many posts per page people should be using.
Those new rules are all long overdue, thanks for putting the time in to make this thread what it is. I have only bought a couple things on here, but it's a much better experience than ebay. Sitting at the computer refreshing the page over and over is not a very dignified way to buy something IMHO.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Thank fuck for the new rules. Most of us long time folks have been asking for them since the old thread.
Mizzou Gaming
Member
2 thumbs up to new rules
Mutanthands
Member
Positive Feedback for Jeo. Finished a deal for a code in 30 minutes flat, from first contact to redemption on XBLA. Awesome!
Edit: By the way, Crisis, the beans aren't magic if you eat them. Try burying your poop in the garden, next to the window.
Edit: By the way, Crisis, the beans aren't magic if you eat them. Try burying your poop in the garden, next to the window.
KoreanBarbecue
Member
Crisis said:
You, sir, are a hero. Thanks for taking the leadership role in this thread. It's appreciated.
Dead to Rights
Member
I'm selling a factory sealed Biohazard Revival Selection (Asia) PS3 for $45 shipped. This is the boxset on Play-Asia which comes with the art book.
I'm also selling Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (3DS). I played mission 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1 and unlocked 1 character only. I haven't touched the game since. $25 shipped.
Payment by PayPal. Shipping in the US only.
I have done some business here on GAF before.
Feedback: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
Interested? Shoot me a PM. :3
I'm also selling Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (3DS). I played mission 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1 and unlocked 1 character only. I haven't touched the game since. $25 shipped.
Payment by PayPal. Shipping in the US only.
I have done some business here on GAF before.
Feedback: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
Interested? Shoot me a PM. :3
Crisis said:
- I think there are better ways to go about this besides disappearing for a month and coming back down the mountain with two stone tablets of new rules... although that would've been pretty bad ass. I don't agree with a lot of the new 'rules' though.
- There's a lot of feedback given in the thread-- enough that can turn the page in a single day. I like the announcement of blue and gold status., but would it bother you if feedback submissions were PMed to you instead?
- I'm not a fan of the repost idea. I always go back and clear out my old posts before making a new one (instead of doing a lazy self-quote). I think once a page is completely fair... and will turn out to be less often if the feedback is done by PM. I don't go back more than a single page, because old items usually = sold items. Also, If I've added something new to my post three pages ago, people aren't going to know about it. Do I make a new post stating that I've updated my old post? Do I post the one new item separately? Reposting ensures that everyone has a crack at an item. It's more about cleaning up the previous post for those that have their preferences set to 100+ posts per page.
- I didn't have a problem with eBay listings, but I doubt that any GAFers actually purchased anything off of those listings that there posted in the thread.
You do an excellent job a running the thread and maintaining feedback, but I think that you're being a little heavy-handed on this one. Also, how would any of this be enforced?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, then 1 post per 100 would solve your objection. Nice compromise for all.
knee said:
That wasn't exactly my intention. I usually follow this thread pretty religiously, and it's my hope that a lot of people would agree with that. The trouble with that is that I have literally read every single post in this thread, and that I could not really approach the thread with a "new" perspective unless I didn't know what all was being posted. I probably didn't need to wait as long as I did, but that's done and over with now, and we could debate that till we're blue in the face. My intention was to browse this thread like I was doing it for the very first time so I could get someone else's perspective.
knee said:
That would be wonderful, on a personal note. There's exactly two issues with it that cannot be overcome, though. The first is the site's rules regarding PM totals. The administrators have been kind enough to increase the amount of private messages I can get since they are aware that I have gotten a horde of them in the past. However, if everyone private-messaged their feedback to me, we would hit that limit fairly quickly. I don't update the list as quickly as feedback is received, even on a good day, so it'd be likely that I'd hit the maximum fairly quickly and you couldn't even send me a PM.
The second is a matter of transparency. When feedback is posted publicly, it supports the legitimacy and competency of the user-submitted feedback list. You can search the thread and see some of the feedback given for a particular user. If everyone PM'd me their feedback, you don't know that A) I'm not playing favorites, and B) that all of the feedback actually came from the thread. I get why you think this would be a good idea. It'd eliminate a lot of posts in this thread that aren't item listings. I thought about that a long time ago, and I cannot think of a better way to handle this, unfortunately. One idea I came up with was that you could PM feedback to me if you went back to your post to edit out the item, and list who you sold it to. But there's no way to search your post history, and nobody would actually do it. You guys know that I'm open to suggestions in regards to just about anything.
knee said:
I would love to acknowledge that the part about you going back and clearing out an old post is 100% true. You're pretty good and timely about doing that. Unfortunately, "old items usually = sold items" isn't usually true. If you'd like proof, I'd like to submit all of the reposts into evidence. Maybe we could add an exception to the rule if you actually add a new item to your listings, but I think people would simply post a list and omit one item, then add the omitted item as soon as the page turns again.
Implementing a repost rule actually benefits every single seller in this thread. It would cut reposts down tremendously, giving every seller more exposure on the items that they're selling. Right now, every 50 posts or so, it's the same items again and again. There's no incentive to keep looking back through the pages to see the wares if virtually everything looks the same. When you repost, it actually bumps the post count even more, which means it's time for someone else to repost their stuff. You see what I'm saying? It's a vicious cycle. And it just really needs to stop. The only way that I can think of is to reduce it, and 150 posts gives us a better chance of significantly reducing it than does 100. 150 works better for people who have it set to 100 posts-per-page.
I know you're a power seller, but if nothing else, think of the sellers who work all day and maybe don't have access to a computer or something to keep track of their listing. They're not going to be reposting it as frequently as some of the other people are. Their listing will get lost in the world of reposts.
knee said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you in that I don't think any GAFfers bought anything off the eBay listings. Like I mentioned, as a group, we tend to not want to deal with eBay in general. So I will say that most users that post links to eBay are pretty transparent about it. They state that it's an auction site and the like. I do appreciate that much. But frankly, just that it isn't business that's being done within the thread, and utilizing it to promote your own listing elsewhere. Not only is that a bit disingenuous to start with, but it's technically against the terms of service for this site. It's just sort of a gray zone for moderation because of the nature of this thread. I'd rather not have moderators cracking down on this thread for that reason.
knee said:
I'm not trying to come off as heavy-handed with any of this stuff. They're unfortunately real problems within this thread. And I know that this won't address all of the issues with the thread. But I feel like they're a start. This thread's existed like this for at least a couple of years now with no real structure to it, a very hands-off approach. Some aspects of it being hands-off have worked a lot better than others. These are some problems that are obviously a result of that. It's my intention to make it better for everyone. A lot of your fellow posters and potential customers seem to like the idea of the repost rule; maybe it's not all bad?
So as for enforcement, I'm not under any illusion that I'm a moderator or that the moderators are going to magically show up and enforce this stuff. I'm genuinely asking each of you to adhere to them. It's for everyone's benefit. If something that we didn't foresee happens as a result of it, we can probably just revert the rules back. But honestly - this should help everyone's posting experience, listing experience, and buying experience. Let's say that of post 7550, these rules go into effect, just to eliminate confusion.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I'm behind the post 7550 starting the new guidelines.
WHO'S COMING WITH ME?
WHO'S COMING WITH ME?
scorpscarx
Member
Good new rules, it's pretty irritating seeing incredibly long posts every new page, that you just saw on the last page from the same person, not pointing any fingers.
Crisis said:
You're right about the feedback transparency issue.
Any ideas about picture width / size / amount limits?
WanderingWind said:
I think 1 per 100 is a solid idea. That way some people will always be on odd pages and some will always be on even pages.... at least when set to 50. :-X
knee said:
Yes, to the bolded section. However, I'd like to make sure everyone's on the same page with regards to posting guidelines before we establish something for picture sizes and amounts. I already know this one is going to be like herding cats, so let's just get through this one first. Additionally, that's part of the reason I proposed 150 posts. We wouldn't have people reposting the same, gigantic pictures over and over again.
knee said:
I still really feel that 150 posts before a repost is a better way to handle it, though I know that you disagree on it. It does two things really well that a 100-post minimum simply can't do. It gives three pages of time for new items to crop up if you're on the standard GAF post listing style. It gives a page and a half if you're on the 100-post-per-page option. If it were 100, you'd be seeing a bunch of reposts if you used the 100 posts option. A lot of them see it twice per page now.
But like I've said before, I am more than willing to compromise on this one and try out a 100 post minimum if a bunch of people feel like it should be 100, and everyone would agree to abide by it. If you're willing to work with me, you should know that I'm willing to work with you.
Selling:
360 Elite w/ the 120HDD and a wireless b/g adaptor: never had any problems with it. Can also include all the cables (HDMI and the component/composite)
Also have the following games
Mirror's Edge
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Halo Reach
Perfect Dark Zero: CE
Fallout: New Vegas
I would like to sell them as a set but would be willing to separate them if no one bites. I am not sure what I want for it but if you PM me an offer I will undoubtably at least consider it as long as it is resonable. If you are interested PM me and I can get you a picture if you would like (I am away from my house right now I might edit it in when i get home).
I haven't bought/sold here since the big change happened and they moved it to this forum but I have some feedback from the previous threads before it was moved over here. feedback link
360 Elite w/ the 120HDD and a wireless b/g adaptor: never had any problems with it. Can also include all the cables (HDMI and the component/composite)
Also have the following games
Mirror's Edge
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
Halo Reach
Perfect Dark Zero: CE
Fallout: New Vegas
I would like to sell them as a set but would be willing to separate them if no one bites. I am not sure what I want for it but if you PM me an offer I will undoubtably at least consider it as long as it is resonable. If you are interested PM me and I can get you a picture if you would like (I am away from my house right now I might edit it in when i get home).
I haven't bought/sold here since the big change happened and they moved it to this forum but I have some feedback from the previous threads before it was moved over here. feedback link
friskykillface
Banned
positive feedback for George
games arrived fast and in great condition, thanks again
Positive feedback for Paco as well
great communication and fast payment
games arrived fast and in great condition, thanks again
Paco said:
Positive feedback for Paco as well
great communication and fast payment
xaosslug
Member
well, not heavy-handed as much incredibly presumptuous. I mean, choosing to monitor/collect feedback does not give anyone the right to impose their wishes/suggestions on the thread in rule form, IMO.knee said:
but, I've come to realize that the times, they are a'changing. *shrug* The new self-appointed authority of most of the posters in this thread, I feel, has gotten WAY out of hand and is really just not my bag, anymore. The default setting for everyone's forum reading pleasure is 50 pages per thread... true, it is anyone's prerogative to change the default to 100 pages, but at the same time other posters should not be held accountable for another poster's choice of settings when reposting their wares. That's not fair. Anyway, I digress. The thread will either go swimmingly, or down in flames (the latter of which I think will likely come to pass. It starts with a few lending their 'voice' to a cause for the betterment of a thing, and usually ends with EVERYONE thinking their 'voice' should be heard as well, in all fairness...) and w/ all these cooks in the proverbial kitchen who knoes? But the thing about a rule-set that's governed by an honor code is that there is NO WAY to enforce the rules aside from 'publicly stoning' (in a matter of speaking) those who do not honor the code, and at the same time... who all has the right to expect peeps to follow a set of wishes/suggestions of a few fellow members that have NO authority whatsoever? Um, so yeah, I'm hopeful for the best, and will continue to monitor the thread for any steals and deals! :-D
Crisis said:
It still doesn't solve the new item dilemma. If someone posted each time they had something to different to sell, it would be way worse than a repost once per page.
xaosslug said:
Exactly. and the public stoning... would just mean more posts... which would make more pages, which would make more reposts. O_O
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