xaosslug said:
Crisis, I kind of didn't want to reply to your message, because it seems that you're taking a lot of what I'm saying personally, as if all my comments are directed at you, which is not the case. I think it's awesome that you man the feedback doc, and really do appreciate all the work you do. <3
You're right. Not ALL of them are. You can quit smiling at me while you stab me in the back. It's not really becoming of you. And frankly, if not me, I would like to know who this is directed at:
xaosslug said:
well, not heavy-handed as much incredibly presumptuous. I mean, choosing to monitor/collect feedback does not give anyone the right to impose their wishes/suggestions on the thread in rule form, IMO
Or this one:
xaosslug said:
who all has the right to expect peeps to follow a set of wishes/suggestions of a few fellow members that have NO authority whatsoever?
There's at least another example, but you get the idea. You know, I tried really hard to not make any of this personal yesterday, and you've gone and done the exact opposite. Stay classy.
xaosslug said:
what's a problem for some, is not a problem for all. *shrug* I've never complained about anything in this thread aside from the complaints in this thread about this thread! LOL The majority of peeps in this thread only bump once every 50 pages, and 50 pages is the GAF default setting, so yes i do feel it's kind of fucked up that those who have not set their pages views to 100 should be expected to accommodate those that do while those set at 50 are not even being taken into consideration.
To the bolded, if you find reposts to not be a problem, are you implying that it also wouldn't be a problem to expect people to have some common courtesy and not repost their stuff so frequently? In regards to the post formatting, let me run some numbers by you really quickly. If Poster A has set his views to 50 posts per page, and Poster B has set his views to 100 posts per page, and there is a 150 post minimum that everyone abides by, what are the odds that either poster will see a repeat of the same things on each page?
Do you even see what you're arguing against here? You're not even arguing against doing something that would help other sellers in this thread and yourself. You're arguing against establishing guidelines in general. And there is no fixing that amount of stupid.
xaosslug said:
what you posted was presumptuous, Crisis. I mean you left to see what the state of the thread would be like when you came back, and decided things were not to your liking? LOL Please, dood. I appreciate that you monitor and account the feedback, but at the same time... I do think you need to chill, and slow your roll on being the our very own Crisis 'in charge of our days and our nights' etc. ;-) You, I feel, in MANY instances have taken things a bit to far in your monitoring of the thread - threatening peeps with visits to their house if they don't make good on a deal? Come on!
xaosslug said:
they say power corrupts, and I have to admit, the role you've given yourself does seem to have gone to your head...
First, if you don't like me going after scammers and that kind of thing, fine. I hope somebody rips you off so I can make sure to not help you. Second, if you think that the problem with reposts is a new thing in this thread, you apparently don't pay any attention at all, but maybe I shouldn't be too surprised by that. There is literally nothing presumptuous about any of the issues I brought up. I left the thread so I could get the perspective of a new buyer within it. So excuse the fuck out of me for proposing changes to the thread posting guidelines that would have benefited you and other sellers. Thirdly, at every possible opportunity, I mention that I am not a moderator. I'm not under any illusions as to what the extent of my "power" is, nor am I "corrupted" in any sense of the word. I'm unaware of anybody who has permitted power to go to their head basically begging people to go along with something they wanted, rather than outright demanding it.
xaosslug said:
gee, seems like I've 'basically' said a lot of stuff w/o actually saying any of it... LOL
You said every single one of those things. And I have no idea which list you actually meant to include here. Your entire post is written really poorly, so it's been somewhat of a challenge to read through the "doods" and other stupid shit.
1) that's not what I'm saying. But, whether or not the 'change' you suggest would be for the better remains to be seen, and again - very presumptuous, dood.
I have no idea what you're referring to in the first part. However, I would absolutely love to hear how implementing a minimum amount of posts before you repost your list would make anything worse than it is now. Or how abiding by the fucking terms of service of the site is a bad thing. Or how instituting a policy where we stop arguing over the pricing of items in the thread would make it worse. I really do want you to argue against it, and tell me how I am being presumptuous. Because I really don't fucking think you know what that word actually means.
2) again, NOT what I'm saying. But, since you or I or anyone else involved in this discussion are NOT mods, all 'rules and guidelines' anyone wishes to make in this thread simply cannot be enforced, and there will be no repercussions, and thus (I wish we could all hold hands and sing "Kum ba yah" as we all buy/trade/sell happily, but that's not reality. Realtalk: the thread operates as it does, and has for years, so any implementation of a stricter posting policy will need to be met with equally strict enforcement of said new policy.) will inevitably lead us to MORE bullshit posted on this thread. -_-
Way to ignore the point for the five hundred millionth time. I never came into this thread and demanded those rules be so. I proposed a set of guidelines to try to deal with some of the issues in the fucking thread. You are saying that because I'm not a moderator, nobody will do it. Here's some reality for you. Every single poster in this thread COULD do it. That's what I was hoping for. The bullshit with reposts and some of the other issues in the thread have been going on for years, too. Here's some real talk for you: Just because something's been done a certain way for years doesn't mean it was done well. You need to get that straight.
that's not a threat, but a fact. I love the deals here, but I'm so very tired of all the bullshit in the thread. And should I NOT thank you for what you've done with the feedback monitoring? Sorry?
I don't think I've ever said this to any poster that wasn't a scammer, but I wish you would leave, then. If you have no desire to participate in the thread, then there's no point in you being here, writing your stupid bullshit in this thread. We could do without your threats, whether or not you make good on them. At this point, if it's "a fact" that you're not going to participate in the thread, then what you are doing right now is basically being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole.
[*]never said you were presumptuous, but what you posted most certainly was. Not sure if that's the same thing, but just saying.
1: It is the same thing. If somebody says something presumptuous, they would have to be presumptuous in the first place to even say it, smart guy. 2. Here's a quote from you:
xaosslug said:
what you posted was presumptuous, Crisis. I mean you left to see what the state of the thread would be like when you came back, and decided things were not to your liking? LOL
[*]that's a fact. Are you new to forum posting? I cannot go around posting 'rules and guidelines' on threads in order to 'better' the thread and expect anyone to follow them. That's insane.
So it's insane to post some guidelines, ask people to follow them to make the thread better, and be hopeful that people would see it that way? I don't think it's so much that I'm insane as it is that your mentality is that of an inconsiderate asshole.
[*]that's not what I said. But, if/when mods decide to take 'responsibility' for this thread, when deals go sour, and posters begin to hold GAF accountable, you can bet your ass buy/sell/trading on GAF will be outlawed. And the only way to get EVERYONE on the thread to follow any 'rules and guidelines' is indeed for GAF admin support to take a more active role...
The administration of NeoGAF does not have to accept liability within this thread to moderate it. For example, if I went to the NBA thread and posted a rumor that says "xaosslug raped LeBron James' dog", and got banned for it and my post deleted, that does not mean that NeoGAF is legally liable for any other claims or rumors within that thread.
[*]i'm not against new rules or guidelines, or an actual authority governing this thread, but I am against posters power tripping on the thread.
Dead serious, I don't think you know what power-tripping actually is.
I must say plain old courtesy has been gradually eroding in this thread, but I've learned to deal with it. *shrug*
How so? By being the biggest twat you can?
It doesn't bother me that peeps are trying to 'improve' the thread, but it does bother me the attitude many peeps that are,- IMO, VERY new to the thread - feel the need to 'help' all us 'poor unfortunate souls' that have been on these threads for years, and just DEALING WITH IT. I would LOVE to make loads of sweeping changes to this thread 'for the better' but at the same time, there are OTHER POSTERS in this thread, and what they want needs to be taken into consideration, which apparently does not matter to you?
Seniority does not matter when suggesting improvements for this thread. You seem to not understand that just because you've been here for years or not, it doesn't make a suggestion for improvement less valid or more valid than any others. A good idea is a good idea regardless of who suggested it. And frankly, I'd quit complaining about "new peeps" in the thread because they might be the ones posting a great deal or buying your stuff. I have absolutely taken other posters' feedback into consideration, and I find it incredibly stupid that you would state otherwise. You think I came up with all of those problems and my proposed solutions out of the blue, all on my lonesome?
and I find it kinda funny that you didn't run your rules and guidelines by a mod before posting them (and this leads back to the powar issue...) I mean, unless you've been given carte blanche by GAF's mods already, YOU SHOULD ask a mod before you try to implement new rules and guidelines, seriously. Let's get a grip here, Crisis.
Let's talk about the "powar" issue really quickly, since you're so fond of making shit up. I thought - apparently naively - that this was something we could handle without bringing the moderators into it. I
thought that we could establish some obvious and common-sense guidelines for posting in this thread without having to go to a moderator, waste their fucking time, and ask them for permission to institute something that a majority of people in this thread wanted. I
thought it might be a good idea to post them publicly to give people a chance to comment on it, and not sneak around behind everybody in the thread and spring them on you guys after getting a moderator's okay to do it (if they would even do that). If I had done that, you would be right here, leading the charge saying that I didn't take anyone's ideas or feedback in suggestion, and thus had let the "powar" go to my head. So excuse the everliving fuck out of me, as it appears powar has corrupted my mind.
You're fine with me collecting feedback and that kind of thing, but you're not happy with me proposing changes to help the thread work better.
anyway, I've actually NOT been actively selling anything on this thread for many moons, aside from a Black Ops Prestige Edition, and yeah part of it was because of all the BS politics that have come to the fore. What can I say? I cannot deal with it. :-(
I already suggested what you can do about this earlier in this post.
knee said:
Well, you did sorta threaten action that one time...
Out of everything, EVERYTHING he posted in that thread, you thought that's what I was referring to when I said he lied about something in there? If you want to take a shot at me, do it over PM, and do it directly. Don't pile on with this nonsense right here. Or better yet, stop trying to start shit with me in general.
