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Buzzfeed: Elon Musk is a Union Buster but he'll give you free Froyo & Roller Coaster

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/carolineod...to-employees?utm_term=.ncVwjb5YYK#.vvVBj3GKKV

In a lengthy Thursday night email to Tesla employees, CEO Elon Musk defended his record as an employer, and appealed to workers not to join the United Auto Workers union.

In the message, first leaked to Electrek.co and later obtained in full by BuzzFeed News, Musk took direct aim at claims made earlier this month in a Medium post by factory worker Jose Moran. Moran alleged that long hours of physical labor once forced six of his eight team members to take medical leave simultaneously. Musk disputed this allegation, claiming a Tesla investigation has proven it to be false. “After looking into this claim, not only was it untrue for this individual’s team, it was untrue for any of the hundreds of teams in the factory,” he wrote.

The Tesla CEO also lambasted the efforts of the United Auto Workers union to unionize Tesla employees at the company’s Fremont, CA factory, calling the organization’s tactics for doing so “disingenuous or outright false.” Musk alleged that the UAW’s “true allegiance is to the giant car companies, where the money they take from employees in dues is vastly more than they could ever make from Tesla.”

“The forces arrayed against us are many and incredibly powerful,” Musk wrote. “This is David vs Goliath if David were six inches tall! Only by being smarter, faster and working well as a tightly integrated team do we have any chance of success.”

Moran’s post — which was later followed by a press conference and a Facebook video — detailed how low pay, long hours, and difficult working conditions are making life difficult for Tesla employees. Moran argued that unionizing would improve the factory workers’ situation.

Musk immediately swung back at Moran, telling Gizmodo that he was a union plant; earlier this week, during a Tesla earnings call, Musk told investors that the unionization “isn’t likely to occur.”

From the letter:
There will also be little things that come along like free frozen yogurt stands scattered around the factory and my personal favorite: a Tesla electric pod car roller coaster (with an optional loop the loop route, of course!) that will allow fast and fun travel throughout our Fremont campus, dipping in and out of the factory and connecting all the parking lots. It’s going to get crazy good

These are the same lies pedaled by every corporation in anti union campaigns. (Keep in mind having a union doesn't prevent him from giving those treats to workers)
 

subrock

Member
It's in his best interest to not have his plant unionize, so I can't say I blame him for trying to stop it. If they do unionize I expect the robots will come hard and fast

Musk is a piece of shit. His work is important, but he can go suck a dick.
Care to share your reasoning?
 

Nairume

Banned
"Okay, in exchange for our dental plan, we get a free keg of beer"

Crazy, huh Elon.

It's in his best interest to not have his plant unionize, so I can't say I blame him for trying to stop it. If they do unionize I expect the robots will come hard and fast
The robots were going to come regardless. The workers might as well get themselves in a better bargaining position until then.
 
Not very Tony Stark of him

Avengers-- don't assemble

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hidys

Member
I think I speak for the vast majority of people when I say a healthy work-life balance which doesn't force me to take medical leave is better than frozen yogurt.
 

PSqueak

Banned
Im glad Musk's flaws are coming out to the light, it was incredibly unsettling the way some people worshiped him like a god of science or something.

He's humans, he has flaws, so relax with the worship.
 

Kayhan

Member
The hatred in America for labor unions is sad.

Strong unions are an important part of why life is so good in Scandinavia.

There has to be a fair balance between CEO power and worker power.

Too strong unions and you get massive youth unemployment and constant strikes.

Too strong CEOs and you get America with its insane divide between rich and poor.
 

Quonny

Member
Have no idea how his employees are treated so I don't know what to think of this.

Those benefits are laughable though.
 

duderon

rollin' in the gutter
If conditions are bad UAW will have no problem unionizing Tesla workers. Here are some facts from the email that seem conveniently left out of the first post.

That said, reducing excess overtime and improving safety are extremely important. This is why we hired thousands of additional team members to create a third shift, which has reduced the burden on everyone. Moreover, since the beginning of Tesla production at Fremont five years ago, there have been dedicated health and safety experts covering the factory and we hold regular safety meetings with operations leaders. Since the majority of the injuries in the factory are ergonomic in nature, we have an ergonomics department focused exclusively on this issue.

The net result is that since January 1st, our total recordable incident rate (TRIR) is under 3.3, which is less than half the industry average of 6.7.

Of course, the goal is to have as close to zero injuries as humanly possible, so we need to keep improving. If you have a safety concern or an idea on how to make things better, please let your manager, safety representative or HR partner know. You can also send an anonymous note through the Integrity Hotline (it applies broadly to any problems you notice at our company) or you can email safety@tesla.com.

At Tesla, we believe it is important for everyone to be an owner of the company. This is your company. That is why, unlike other car companies, everyone is awarded shares and you get to buy stock at a discount compared to the public through the employee stock purchase program. Last year, stock equity grants were increased significantly and it will happen again later this year once Model 3 achieves high volume.

The chart below contrasts the total comp received by a Tesla production team member who started on January 1, 2013 against the total comp received over the same period at GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler (FCA). A four year period is used because that’s the vesting length of a new hire equity grant. I believe the equity gain over the next four years will be similar. As shown below, a Tesla team member earned between $70,000 and $100,000 more in total compensation than the employees at other US auto companies!

https://electrek.co/2017/02/24/tesla-union-elon-musk-addresses-employees/
 

Window

Member
That roller coaster as a form of factory/campus transportation really is amazing though. Who comes up with that sort of thing?
 

subrock

Member
Have no idea how his employees are treated so I don't know what to think of this.

Those benefits are laughable though.
They do get some pretty valuable stock options too though. I'm not sure what the conditions are like in any factory, but if by forming a union they lose their stock options I'd say the union better have some pretty tangible benefits in exchange.
 

snacknuts

we all knew her
One of the very few areas where I part company with most liberals is that I am not at all in favor of unions. I have no problem with this.
 

Spacebar

Member
I've read the book on Elon by Ashlee Vance. Elon has his vision and puts in crazy hours himself. Tesla and spacex have a lot of turnover. I read one story where a worker lost his glasses but kept working. He had no time to get new ones and he started complaining to his coworkers. Elon overheard him and set up laser surgery for him the next day.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Bear in mind that as a owner of a large part of GM, the union's first priority isn't to Tesla's employees.

I was wondering about this. Doesn't the UAW own like 15-20% of GM? Wouldn't this be a direct conflict of interest?

I'm not against unions, but wouldn't Tesla workers be better off in their own Union if they want to unionize?

Even beyond the GM ownership thing there are other conflicting ideas here? Tesla isn't set up remotely like a regular car manufacturer. It's direct sales model as well as being in the battery and charging business is quiet a bit different from normal Ford or GM employees?

Maybe if Tesla had their own worker's Union it wouldn't be big enough to have pull though?
 

Gutek

Member
It's in his best interest to not have his plant unionize, so I can't say I blame him for trying to stop it. If they do unionize I expect the robots will come hard and fast


Care to share your reasoning?

Have you read the OP? Or seen his stance on Trump and his cabinet specifically?
 
One of the very few areas where I part company with most liberals is that I am not at all in favor of unions. I have no problem with this.
I've been ambivalent on unions in the past, but the thread today about companies being unwilling to train up their employees made up my mind in favor of unions
 

Glix

Member
I was wondering about this. Doesn't the UAW own like 15-20% of GM? Wouldn't this be a direct conflict of interest?

I'm not against unions, but wouldn't Tesla workers be better off in their own Union if they want to unionize?

Even beyond the GM ownership thing there are other conflicting ideas here? Tesla isn't set up remotely like a regular car manufacturer. It's direct sales model as well as being in the battery and charging business is quiet a bit different from normal Ford or GM employees?

Maybe if Tesla had their own worker's Union it wouldn't be big enough to have pull though?

One of the major functions of a union is collective bargaining. The more people who join, the more leverage they have. So yes, i think your last point is correct
 

led4lyfe

Member
Years ago I opened up a new business with a fellow employee who is what they call a "salt", which is an undercover union organizer. The way he lied and the tactics he used to take advantage of our poor English speaking coworkers was pathetic. He did not care about the well being of any of us, just the fact he nailed down the contract in order to get our dues for the union he represented. Once our contracted was negotiated he left and moved to whatever new place was opening up.

I definitely think unions are important, but the fact is there are unions out there who operate as a business who profit from dues.
 
The actual email from Musk:
For Tesla to become and remain one of the great companies of the 21st century, we must have an environment that is as safe, fair and fun as possible. It is incredibly important to me that you look forward to coming to work every day. For that, we must be a fair and just company – the only kind worth creating.

This is vital to succeed in our mission to accelerate the advent of a clean, sustainable energy future. The forces arrayed against us are many and incredibly powerful. This is David vs Goliath if David were six inches tall! Only by being smarter, faster and working well as a tightly integrated team do we have any chance of success. We should never forget the history of car startups originating in the United States: dozens have gone bankrupt and only two, Tesla and Ford, have not. Despite the odds being strongly against us, my faith in you is why I am confident that we will succeed.

That is why I was so distraught when I read the recent blog post promoting the UAW, which does not share our mission and whose true allegiance is to the giant car companies, where the money they take from employees in dues is vastly more than they could ever make from Tesla.

The tactics they have resorted to are disingenuous or outright false. I will address their underhanded attacks below. While this discussion focuses on Fremont, these same principles apply to every Tesla facility worldwide.

Safety First

The workplace issue that comes before any other is safety. If you do not have your health, then nothing else matters. Simply due to size and bad luck, there will always be some injuries in a company with over 30,000 employees, but our goal is simple: to have as close to zero injuries as possible and be the safest factory in the auto industry by far. The Tesla executive team and I are absolutely committed to this goal.

That is why I was particularly troubled by the safety claim in last week’s blog post, which said: “A few months ago, six out of eight people in my work team were out on medical leave at the same time due to various work-related injuries. I hear the ergonomics are even more severe in other areas of the factory.”

Obviously, this cannot be true: if three quarters of his team suddenly went on medical leave, we would not be able to operate that part of the factory. Furthermore, if things were really even worse in other departments, that would mean something like 80% or more of the factory would be out on injury, production would drop to virtually nothing and the parking lot would be almost empty. As you know firsthand, we have the *opposite* problem – there is never enough room to park! In fact, we are working at top speed to build more parking. Also, hopefully our darn BART train station will open before all hell freezes over!

After looking into this claim, not only was it untrue for this individual’s team, it was untrue for any of the hundreds of teams in the factory.

That said, reducing excess overtime and improving safety are extremely important. This is why we hired thousands of additional team members to create a third shift, which has reduced the burden on everyone. Moreover, since the beginning of Tesla production at Fremont five years ago, there have been dedicated health and safety experts covering the factory and we hold regular safety meetings with operations leaders. Since the majority of the injuries in the factory are ergonomic in nature, we have an ergonomics department focused exclusively on this issue.

The net result is that since January 1st, our total recordable incident rate (TRIR) is under 3.3, which is less than half the industry average of 6.7.

Of course, the goal is to have as close to zero injuries as humanly possible, so we need to keep improving. If you have a safety concern or an idea on how to make things better, please let your manager, safety representative or HR partner know. You can also send an anonymous note through the Integrity Hotline (this applies broadly to any problems you notice at our company) or you can email.

Compensation

At Tesla, we believe it is important for everyone to be an owner of the company. This is your company. That is why, unlike other car companies, everyone is awarded shares and you get to buy stock at a discount compared to the public through the employee stock purchase program. Last year, stock equity grants were increased significantly and it will happen again later this year once Model 3 achieves high volume.

The chart below contrasts the total comp received by a Tesla production team member who started on January 1, 2013 against the total comp received over the same period at GM, Ford, and Fiat Chrysler. A four year period is used because that’s the vesting length of a new hire equity grant. I believe the equity gain over the next four years will be similar. As shown below, a Tesla team member earned between $70,000 and $100,000 more in total compensation than the employees at other US auto companies!

Work Hours

Another issue raised in the UAW blog was hours worked. First, I want to recognize how hard you worked to make our company successful. Those hours mattered to you, to your family and to our company, and I can’t tell you how much I appreciate them.

However, the pace needs to be sustainable. This is why the third shift was established and why we created alternate work schedules based on feedback from various teams in the factory.

These changes have had a big impact. The average amount of hours worked by production team members this year is about 43 hours per week. The percentage of overtime hours has declined by almost 50% since the super tough time we had last year achieving rate on the Model X, which is probably the hardest car to build in history. What an amazing accomplishment! It is also a lesson learned, which is why Model 3 is designed to be dramatically easier to manufacture.

Fun

As we get closer to being a profitable company, we will be able to afford more and more fun things. For example, as I mentioned at the last company talk, we are going to hold a really amazing party once Model 3 reaches volume production later this year. There will also be little things that come along like free frozen yogurt stands scattered around the factory and my personal favorite: a Tesla electric pod car roller coaster (with an optional loop the loop route, of course!) that will allow fast and fun travel throughout our Fremont campus, dipping in and out of the factory and connecting all the parking lots. It’s going to get crazy good 😊

Thanks again for all your effort and I look forward to working alongside you to create an amazing future!

Elon
 
I was wondering about this. Doesn't the UAW own like 15-20% of GM? Wouldn't this be a direct conflict of interest?

I'm not against unions, but wouldn't Tesla workers be better off in their own Union if they want to unionize?

Even beyond the GM ownership thing there are other conflicting ideas here? Tesla isn't set up remotely like a regular car manufacturer. It's direct sales model as well as being in the battery and charging business is quiet a bit different from normal Ford or GM employees?

Maybe if Tesla had their own worker's Union it wouldn't be big enough to have pull though?
Ideally, the workers would own all the companies.
 

Xe4

Banned
As someone who's talked to people who used to work for SpaceX, yeah the hours he expects are ridiculous. It is basically impossible to do anything but work when your working at SpaceX, which rules out taking care of your family or even yourself. I'd assume Tesla is pretty similar.
 

A Fish Aficionado

I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
As someone who's talked to people who used to work for SpaceX, yeah the hours he expects are ridiculous. It is basically impossible to do anything but work when your working at SpaceX, which rules out taking care of your family or even yourself. I'd assume Tesla is pretty similar.

I just applied again to SpaceX in their business dev unit.
 
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