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[Oblivion]

Wait, that tax hike bill will only go to K-12 schools and community colleges? No universities?

 

[Eusis]

Yikes. Looks like the Dems here in Cali might pick up a supermajority.

Which on the one hand would enable reasonable stuff like the tax compromise that wound up as Prop 30 to pass without the insane requirement of ballot approval... but on the other hand, it's a one-party supermajority. I find that a little unsettling.

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A mix generally DOES come off as best... so long as the other side isn't absolutely unwilling to compromise and is being nothing more than a hinderance. But that's more relevant for the national stage than the state stage I imagine.

 

[Cyan]

Wait, that tax hike bill will only go to K-12 schools and community colleges? No universities?

It'll go to universities as well.

At least, the big cuts and tuition hikes that were slated to happen in unis will now not happen.

 

[Zhengi]

considering 100% of prop 38's funds wasn't going to higher ed and there was a certainty of cuts to higher ed if prop 30 DIDN'T pass...

i dont know what else you wanted to happen. the end product will just be the same -- legislature will have to be convinced to put the money towards higher education, and prop 30 enables them to do so with higher probability than before

The legislature threatened to cut education, but the unions would have been in an uproar if Prop 30 didn't pass and the legislature still went through with their threats. I guarantee they would have restored some of those cuts especially since they can't explain away having an extra $3 billion in tax revenues this year and not only refusing to put any of that into Higher Ed, but also reducing their budgets by $800 million.

Yikes. Looks like the Dems here in Cali might pick up a supermajority.

Which on the one hand would enable reasonable stuff like the tax compromise that wound up as Prop 30 to pass without the insane requirement of ballot approval... but on the other hand, it's a one-party supermajority. I find that a little unsettling.

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Definitely bad, but it's what all Californians and liberals wanted. I don't think it's going to be pretty at all what the Democrats are going to do to the state in the next few years.

 

[Oblivion]

It'll go to universities as well.

At least, the big cuts and tuition hikes that were slated to happen in unis will now not happen.

Ah okay that's good.

 

[cacophony]

Can someone explain why people would vote in favor of Measure B? Like if you aren't in porn how would it affect anyone? lol

 

[Eusis]

Can someone explain why people would vote in favor of Measure B? Like if you aren't in porn how would it affect anyone? lol

I can't help but wonder if those who are anti-porn vote Yes on this out of spite? Seems like that'd explain it.

 

[perfectchaos007]

I hope the porn industry wasn't a significant source of income for the state, because they are about to get the fuck out of california thanks to measure B passing. Arizona may take them, and Nevada would definitely take them.

 

[Extollere]

I hope the porn industry wasn't a significant source of income for the state, because they are about to get the fuck out of california thanks to measure B passing. Arizona may take them, and Nevada would definitely take them.

It's just the county of LA. I overheard someone saying certain businesses might relocate to Ventura after the law passes. Don't know on who's credentials that was said, but it sounds about right.

 

[perfectchaos007]

It's just the county of LA. I overheard someone saying certain businesses might relocate to Ventura after the law passes. Don't know on who's credentials that was said, but it sounds about right.

Well Vivid's HQ is already on Ventura Blvd. I used to live just a few miles from it. I think most of Ventura Blvd. is still in LA county though, so either they should move their office down the road or commute to their filming locations

 

[Extollere]

Nah man, Ventura. Like Ventura past Malibu. Out of LA county.

 

[Magni]

I'm not a CA resident so I didn't vote, but I follow your politics quite closely for an outsider (as a software engineer, there's pretty good chances I will end up living in Cali at some point, not to mention I'm a sucker for US politics on the whole haha). Definitely a good year in terms of ballot measures, though I'm pissed 34 failed and 35 went through.

Slightly related, this article from Mother Jones also gave me lots of hope for California's future :http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/11/california-prop-30-supermajority

Hope the pendulum is indeed swinging back.

To all of you that voted YES on 35, did you educated yourselves on it? I read about all of the crap in it and man that's miss labeled all to hell. Talk about a poorly written proposition. Hope you enjoy your internet traffic being monitored and being used for anything against you, also good bye porn industry.

Final Tally:

Sad about 35 and how overwhelming it was as a yes. Most idiots just vote NO for everything but then they saw 'omg human trafficking' and voted yes on this? I hope this prop doesn't end up as bad as it sounds.

The prop was an almost universal no in this thread.

Sadly, the title doomed us all.

Its like a prop saying

"Proposal to ban cancer?"

It would win, even if it proposes mandatory vasectomies on all.

This kind of thing should be regulated honestly. It's the same thing in Congress: "this guy voted NO on the "Ban Cancer Act", vote for me instead!"

Misleading/overly vague measure/bill names are good for no one (apart from the people trying to push shady shit through).

And I have no problem saying I voted no on 37 even though I hate Monsanto. Just labeling something as a GMO was so vague and there are good GMOs out there. I don't trust people to educate themselves on the type of modification that went on - I do count on them to have a knee jerk reaction to seeing that sticker on there. Plus, I wanted it to go further. Tell me what pesticides, antibiotics, and growth hormones are going into my food.

I was also initially for 37 but decided against it for pretty much the same reasons as you. Crazy anti-vaccine people backing it helped as well.

 

[davepoobond]

It'll go to universities as well.

At least, the big cuts and tuition hikes that were slated to happen in unis will now not happen.

i was talking about prop 38, hopefully he saw that... i thought i mentioned that. 38 said nothing about higher education from what i saw and wouldnt even take affect until next year if it was approved. not like it matters since it didnt.

The legislature threatened to cut education, but the unions would have been in an uproar if Prop 30 didn't pass and the legislature still went through with their threats. I guarantee they would have restored some of those cuts especially since they can't explain away having an extra $3 billion in tax revenues this year and not only refusing to put any of that into Higher Ed, but also reducing their budgets by $800 million.

i dont know if i would want to rely on unions strongarming the legislature. not to mention on the VERY SAME ballot we had a prop that would have squandered their lobbying power, so its not like it was very "in the bag." And there was no way we'd know that democrats would get supermajority either.

 

[hitsugi]

It'll go to universities as well.

At least, the big cuts and tuition hikes that were slated to happen in unis will now not happen.

We should bet on whether or not tuition continues to rise at the same pace as before.

pretty sure it will.

 

[Korey]

This kind of thing should be regulated honestly. It's the same thing in Congress: "this guy voted NO on the "Ban Cancer Act", vote for me instead!"

Misleading/overly vague measure/bill names are good for no one (apart from the people trying to push shady shit through).

I was also initially for 37 but decided against it for pretty much the same reasons as you. Crazy anti-vaccine people backing it helped as well.

If it were up to me, the first thing I'd change would be about "naming bills". The name of the bill should be completely neutral and probably decided by a neutral committee to make sure that it doesn't immediately sway voters one way or the other.

 

[MorisUkunRasik]

We should bet on whether or not tuition continues to rise at the same pace as before.

pretty sure it will.

Refunds are already scheduled for those that pay out of pocket since the upcoming tuition hike hs been effectively cancelled.

 

[Cyan]

We should bet on whether or not tuition continues to rise at the same pace as before.

pretty sure it will.

I didn't say all tuition increases will now stop. I would be surprised if that were the case, since the state apparently loves prisons and hates UC and CSU.

But...

Planned CSU tuition hikes will now not happen.

And the same for UC.

Which is exactly what I said.

 

[Karakand]

Yikes. Looks like the Dems here in Cali might pick up a supermajority.

Which on the one hand would enable reasonable stuff like the tax compromise that wound up as Prop 30 to pass without the insane requirement of ballot approval... but on the other hand, it's a one-party supermajority. I find that a little unsettling.

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I always found it unsettling that a minority (especially one as out of touch with the electorate as the California Republican Party) effectively determined budgetary policy. What's the point of an election if the clear loser is the winner?

 

[curlyfriski]

On the Prop 30 issue, San Diego Unified School District already had a agreement to cut 14 days from the school year if it didn't pass.

Prop 30 wasn't there to provide extra funding for education. It's meant to prevent deep cuts caused by California's long term deficit, which lawmakers avoided confronting through use of budgetary gimmicks.

 

[Cyan]

I always found it unsettling that a minority (especially one as out of touch with the electorate as the California Republican Party) effectively determined budgetary policy. What's the point of an election if the clear loser is the winner?

Just one of the horrible things Prop 13 did to the state.

 

[eudaemonic]

I'm not a CA resident so I didn't vote, but I follow your politics quite closely for an outsider (as a software engineer, there's pretty good chances I will end up living in Cali at some point, not to mention I'm a sucker for US politics on the whole haha). Definitely a good year in terms of ballot measures, though I'm pissed 34 failed and 35 went through.

You might be happy to hear this then.

California judge puts Prop 35 on hold.

 

[GlassBox]

So yeah, Prop 30 is probably not going to do much at all and is just another "kick the can down the road" non-solution: http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Prop-30-OK-doesn-t-stop-student-protests-4022124.php

Public university students in the Bay Area staged protests Thursday against possible tuition hikes, saying the passage of Proposition 30 provided only a temporary reprieve from cuts to higher education.

At UC Berkeley, about 200 students and faculty members braved a steady rain at noon on Sproul Plaza to rally against the specter of increased fees. They brought out a giant No. 2 pencil reading, "Kids R No. 1" and a sign that said, "We got the money, we want the power."

"Hey, rain or shine, the cuts are coming - stay here," a woman who helped organize the event said on a speaker, imploring fellow students not to let the weather stop them from taking part in the protest.

Speakers demanded tuition rollbacks, saying that because Prop. 30 guaranteed only that tuition will not rise this school year, cuts in the future remain likely.

"I'm glad that Proposition 30 passed, instead of not passing, but it doesn't actually do anything more than at most delay or defer plans to raise tuition," said Geoffrey O'Brien, an associate professor of English. "We understand that we have, unfortunately, a permanent struggle. Without raising a stink and raising some noise, we're not going to do anything except passively watch burdens increase for undergraduates."

Ridhima Vemula, 19, a sophomore double majoring in public health and economics, huddled under an umbrella with Madhavi Muralidharan, 18, a freshman economics major as they watched the demonstration.

"It's a really important dialogue to have right now, especially now that Prop. 30 has passed," Vemula said.

Muralidharan said she never fully understood the struggles facing public schools until she found herself having to "take out huge loans to try to get to Berkeley."

"I'm here because I think this is really relevant to all of us here right now," Muralidharan said.

The UC Berkeley protest was one of several demonstrations on UC campus Thursday in advance of a university regents meeting next week in San Francisco on whether to raise fees for seven professional degree programs.

California State University students also staged protests, with Bay Area demonstrations at Cal State East Bay, San Francisco State and San Jose State.

CSU trustees will vote next week in Long Beach on a proposal to impose hefty new fees on thousands of students who repeat courses, take far more credits than they need to graduate and take more credits in a single semester than strictly necessary.

CSU officials said their proposal is actually beneficial to students because it is designed to free up thousands of classroom seats so that fewer qualified applicants, as well as students who are currently enrolled, will be turned away or shut out of courses. CSU says it has turned away 20,000 students a year since the state's budget crisis began four years ago.

But protesters call the proposal "student fee extortion" and say there are legitimate reasons why many students need to take additional credits or repeat courses.

 

[Cyan]

So yeah, Prop 30 is probably not going to do much at all and is just another "kick the can down the road" non-solution: http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Prop-30-OK-doesn-t-stop-student-protests-4022124.php

That story actually isn't anything new. The protests were planned in advance, presumably with the assumption that Prop 30 would fail, and it sounds like they decided to hold them anyway and slightly retool the message.

They might be right, they might be wrong. *shrug*

 

[dr3upmushroom]

Sorry if this has been asked before or if this isn't the best place to ask (didn't want to start a new thread for this) but do we know when students are supposed to receive the reimbursement check from Prop 30?

 

[Angry Grimace]

I hope the porn industry wasn't a significant source of income for the state, because they are about to get the fuck out of california thanks to measure B passing. Arizona may take them, and Nevada would definitely take them.

Porn isn't legal anywhere but California. That's actually true, by the way, but what it means is that its not "explicitly" legal. I don't know what the fuck LA was thinking. Literally voting to drive an entire industry out of your city in the midst of a recession is among the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen an electorate vote on.

 

[Cyan]

Sorry if this has been asked before or if this isn't the best place to ask (didn't want to start a new thread for this) but do we know when students are supposed to receive the reimbursement check from Prop 30?

The $249 reimbursement from CSU? Can't find any indication that there's a planned time on that yet.

 

[BertramCooper]

Saw the thread and figured I'd congratulate Californians for voting down Prop 37. You've temporarily restored my faith in your state.

 

[Korey]

Porn isn't legal anywhere but California. That's actually true, by the way, but what it means is that its not "explicitly" legal. I don't know what the fuck LA was thinking. Literally voting to drive an entire industry out of your city in the midst of a recession is among the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen an electorate vote on.

Couldn't they just move out of LA?

 

[TheKaeptain]

The $249 reimbursement from CSU? Can't find any indication that there's a planned time on that yet.

Before Dec 14th is the date. I got an email about it a few days ago.

 

[Eusis]

Saw the thread and figured I'd congratulate Californians for voting down Prop 37. You've temporarily restored my faith in your state.

I think some of the information shared here would've driven the wedge further too if a few of us that voted on it caught it earlier. Ah well, no harm no foul!