Call of Duty studios hit with layoffs | Forza Motorsport dev Turn 10 also impacted (reportedly lost nearly 50% of their staff)

Turn 10 used to be so passionate about cars and their games. Now, no more. It was always a creation to copy Sony's most popular franchise though.
 
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Had to google who High Moon are. They are an Activision studio who made Transformers games. And most recently they help out with COD games.
 
T10 has basically been dead for years anyway. From my understand there's a few core departments/leads and the rest of the staff is contractors.

I'll never stop shitting on FM8, how many years after release is it now, and while it's a bit better, it's like 10% of what the franchise used to be.
 
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Cross posting my thoughts from the other thread:

The people in charge there can eat shit as far as I'm concerned. Completely destroyed what was once an amazing racing franchise with incredible potential.

I'd been saying change to the team was needed more than anyone before a lot of people started to realise the trajectory they were on:

GHG said:
Yes, it's all because it's an Xbox game, I mean it's not like the following have happened:

  • VIP rewards were made consumable mods without informing the loyal fans of the series who flocked to pre order that version of the game.
  • When this was uncovered they have since cleaned up FM.net deleting any thread that wants to talk about this and ask why they thought it was ok to deceive their fans.
  • Dan Greenawalt responds on Twitter with this IDGAF handslap.
  • They've also removed the credit rewards for players who like to play with assists off, thus making it more difficult to earn credits (because credits can be used to buy lootboxes)
  • This then means that those who only want to play online will have a more difficult time of getting credits
  • Car prices have been increased
  • Manufacterer affinity is also gone
  • Certain cars/items can only be obtained from lootboxes
  • They have delayed introducing the option of purchasing lootboxes until after the reviews are in.

If you want to read more then there is also this post on Reddit which summarises a lot of what's going on:



You can also go to Forza's official forums where people are discussing these issues (when the threads aren't getting deleted).

Of course, there are some people who can turn a blind eye to all of this and just enjoy the game (credit to them, but that doesn't mean everybody should). Unfortunately for you this thread exists to discuss how this disgusting practice is altering game design in the name of physiologically manipulating players to spend money in a gambling simulator with a $60-$10 entrance fee (those who spend $100 now get some extra free spins, yay!). This latest example this year is Forza 7 which so happens to be an Xbox exclusive.

So if this thread or any of the information in this post makes you feel uncomfortable, or makes you wonder why people are saying bad things about Xbox/Microsoft then please tweet Phil Spencer, tweet Major Nelson, tweet Dan Greenawalt and ask them why they are doing this.
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GHG said:
I got 3 minutes in and I can't bear to watch Dan anymore. I'm tired of hearing the same stuff over and over with a few new cliches thrown in for good measure.

He is just PR PR PR. I'm sure there's a real person under there somewhere but I'm not seeing it.
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Eventually got banned from the alpha ring for daring to give honest feedback on the Motorsport games.

So to Dan Greenawalt, his stooges, the mods on Forza.net and all the dumbasses/shills who have defended them to the point where this is the outcome:

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Fake said:
No way they can survive with that cut. Either will get closed or be a support team.
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You would imagine it's more that Motorsport is dead and that T10 will work exclusively on Horizon. It could be that they did not require that headcount to do it.
 
50 percent huh.
They will all be replaced by AI. What happened to mergers being good for the industry huh???
Most disastrous merger ever LOL
 
they choppd up the mothafuckas.

ugly thing to see turn 10 killt

but this is not MY turn 10, from back in the day, I heard that this new turn 10 is full of randos so fuckem
 
Just like Hollywood, gaming will scale down most budgets since it's unsustainable as it is now. Probably for the best, smaller projects are the way to go, the AAA market is just too saturated with bloated games; also, no one wants to wait 5-8 years for a sequel to drop.
As it was said before, the Arkham trilogy took 6 years to be completed, Uncharted 1-3 were released in the span of 4 years, Mass Effect trilogy took around 4 years and so on.
Fuck motion capture, fuck polygons, just make games.
 
50% for turn 10 is absolutely huge. Might as well be a support Studio for Horizon and GAAS content for the few people still playing Motorsport. Seems like no more new games from them.
 
Heisenberg007 said:
People may be forgetting, but Turn 10 does all the engine work and car models for Forza Horizon series as well.

If 50% of the staff is out, it means that Forza Horizon 6 will also take longer to ship (at the very least!). The ripple effect of this particular move will be too much in the long run.

And if the staff is only working as support for Forza Horizon, it means that there will be no more Forza Motorsport games.
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Actually they were outsourcing a lot of this work overseas.
 
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I'd like to know the real story for COD. We had the same developer for the last 2 games which is odd for them so someone might not be pulling their weight. Or they just decided they can just make the same shit over and over in one studio.
 
T10 and 343i tried the same approach - paused their releases for a big "tech uplift" to revitalise their lagging games. And then they deliver the most underwhelming entry in the series, one that's surpassed technologically by every one of their competitors, delivering sub-par visuals and sub-par content. That's a clear management issue, not a developer issue.

Hope the people let go land on their feet.
 
ZehDon said:
T10 and 343i tried the same approach - paused their releases for a big "tech uplift" to revitalise their lagging games. And then they deliver the most underwhelming entry in the series, one that's surpassed technologically by every one of their competitors, delivering sub-par visuals and sub-par content. That's a clear management issue, not a developer issue.

Hope the people let go land on their feet.
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No one inside Xbox management understands gaming or the games they built their legacy upon.

Halo, Gears, Forza, Crackdown, xbox live arcade, third party support; everything went to shit. They destroyed and sold Bungie, fucked with Bizarre, rendered Rare useless, etc.

The fact the brand is (was?) still relevant, even after Kinect and TV bullshit, is incredible.

The acquisition could have killed the competition, instead it killed xbox.
 
How do we go from Phil wearing a Hexen t-shirt to tease the fans to MS laying off people at Raven Studios after all the effort they've put on the COD mines making millions for them?

Shit sucks.
 
Not going to lie right now is when Nintendo needs to money hat a few developers. Plenty of good talent being shaken loose.

I can see Sony and Nintendo poaching some people for switch 2 and beyond!!
 
They might have fired the engine guys at turn 10. Wouldn't be suprised if the next horizon and motorsport games are being developed on unreal engine
 
U n i o n 0015 said:
T10 has basically been dead for years anyway. From my understand there's a few core departments/leads and the rest of the staff is contractors.

I'll never stop shitting on FM8, how many years after release is it now, and while it's a bit better, it's like 10% of what the franchise used to be.
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It was and is truly terrible. I never thought t10 would botch it so hard but it's truly the most soulless dry and passionless car game I've ever played. Everything about it is just so off.
 
Fake said:
No way they can survive with that cut. Either will get closed or be a support team.
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It's the logical move to support PG games who lets be honest have become the mainline Forza developer while also taking on the Fable franchise as well. This is a huge undertaking given both are ambitious games and T10 supporting would be a great move.

Motorsport let's be honest hasn't evolved and simply isn't popular enough to continue the franchise.
 
Karim said:
Jesus has sony killed your dog or what? What it has to do sony with this news?
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Isn't it clear? If they stayed as they were during the 7th gen, and 8th gen to a lesser extent, they would have so much good shit coming out that with all the bad news coming from MS, Sony would simply bury them.

And no, Sony didn't kill my dog. All they've done is release the worst generation of consoles i've ever seen, and it's so much worse than the rest, that their previous systems can't even compete in the same dimension. Good thing for them, MS is as fuckedup, and keep messing up everything.
 
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SILKYSMOOTH30FPS said:
Isn't it clear? If they stayed as they were during the 7th gen, and 8th gen to a lesser extent, they would have so much good shit coming out that with all the bad news coming from MS, Sony would simply bury them.

And no, Sony didn't kill my dog. All they've done is release the worst generation of consoles i've ever seen, and it's so much worse than the rest, that their previous systems can't even compete in the same dimension. Good thing for them, MS is as fuckedup, and keep messing up everything.
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But it has nothing to do with the thread...
 
Turn10 is done just a support studio for forza horizon and forza tech. So Sony will be really stupid to not bring gt7 to pc now. The only arcade sim left is gt.
 
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