Can PCMR indirectly strengthen Console industry?

Can PCMR indirectly strengthen Console gaming? Please explain.

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yogaflame

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Can PCMR indirectly strengthen the Console industry?

For me yes , 1st on the technical side in games development with very good tools and processes in PC game development that can be use for console game development.
And 2nd, those with PC will be attracted to buy console due to its cheaper alternative, well optimize game, flexibility, comfort on a sofa and playing in front of a very big TV, and ease of use.

But, for me, console AAA exclusives is still has to stay exclusive to the console to give more importance, attractiveness and relevance to the console.
 
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Pretty much all of console gamings biggest "innovations" in the last three console generations are just adopting new PC-originated technology. Console's haven't done anything "new" outside of monetisation in a very, very long time.
 
yogaflame said:
For me yes , 1st on the technical side in games development with very good tools and processes in PC game development that can be use for console game development.
And 2nd, those with PC will be attracted to buy console due to its cheaper alternative, well optimize game, flexibility, comfort on a sofa and playing in front of a very big TV, and ease of use.
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Since when PC game development have "very good tools and processes"? Number of abysmal ports say otherwise. Processes are pretty much the same, they don't depends on platform and tools are weakest on PC.
PC though do strengthen consoles. PC has the lowest cost to entry and so is a platform for indies and other expense-sensitive games. And indies is a breeding ground for novel ideas (even though 99.9% of them shit) those then spread onto other platforms.

reinking said:
Some of you act like PC gaming hasn't been a thing even before consoles existed.
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Typical pcmr
First PC is 1971, first console is 1972, Pong is 1972. So no - PC gaming wasn't "a thing" before existence of consoles
 
Yes and No. Moving over to a more PC like architecture have been a boon for consoles in more than a couple of ways, as well as PC gamers, but I can't help but think that we lost some uniqueness from having consoles with tech being built from the ground up for that particular console. Then again consoles have been going this route for a while now so ultimately this is probably what the big 3 wanted.

TL;DR : PCMR has made consoles better but also made it worse by bringing pc problems over to the consoles.
 
They can only strengthen NVIDIA's stock prices by spending $5,000 on a graphics card only to make Banana one of the most popular games on Steam.
 
It kinda does since forever, where do you think that devs test the latest tech years before they go to console? On PC we tend to have games with features that are years away from next gen consoles, and that's how devs know how to implement them later
 
I always find it cute on here the amount of console only gamers that somehow have this feeling or theory that PC gamers are just dying for an excuse to move to consoles. The vast majority really arent. PC is freedom.

Also i dont know if there is any actual hard data for this but i'm willing to bet way more console gamers move to PC, over PC gamers converting to console.

Apart from price (and even that seems to be diminsihing with every console gen) there is literally nothing a console can offer over a PC, while a PC offers sooooooo much more than a console ever will.
 
yogaflame said:
Can PCMR indirectly strengthen the Console industry?

For me yes , 1st on the technical side in games development with very good tools and processes in PC game development that can be use for console game development.
And 2nd, those with PC will be attracted to buy console due to its cheaper alternative, well optimize game, flexibility, comfort on a sofa and playing in front of a very big TV, and ease of use.

But, for me, console AAA exclusives is still has to stay exclusive to the console to give more importance, attractiveness and relevance to the console.
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No we won't. I couldn't give two fucks about your playstation or Xbox or big comfy sofa's. 99% of pc gamers know exactly what they are getting into when they invest in their rigs so frankly I wish console owners would just fuck off singing the praises of their hardware as if we were for some inexplicable reason jealous of them sat on their "big comfy sofas" 🙄
 
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Look, OP. I'm drunk, too. But do you see me posting shit like this? No. Because with great alcohol comes great responsibility.

You know what'll strengthen consoles? Better consoles. Not some fucking garbage-ass shit like PS5 Pro. Actual better hardware. Exclusives are cool, too, but we hate that shit now because communism is in.
 
Felessan said:
Since when PC game development have "very good tools and processes"? Number of abysmal ports say otherwise. Processes are pretty much the same, they don't depends on platform and tools are weakest on PC.
PC though do strengthen consoles. PC has the lowest cost to entry and so is a platform for indies and other expense-sensitive games. And indies is a breeding ground for novel ideas (even though 99.9% of them shit) those then spread onto other platforms.


Typical pcmr
First PC is 1971, first console is 1972, Pong is 1972. So no - PC gaming wasn't "a thing" before existence of consoles
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You have a point on the technical side especially seeing how bad UE5 and force ray tracing on some console games which are not properly optimize for a specific console. I miss consoles with there own tech like for example cell processor. It was really a good piece of tech. Even capcom said it was good. Its just that developers from third party complain about how hard to port there games to ps3.
 
I'm having difficulties to find correlation in PCMR into Console sales growth, as they are both different case. Video games are developed from computer, yes, it's a fact. but they are computer, not PCMR, as long as I know PCMR is term for PC user, not a game development tool.
 
Stuart360 said:
I always find it cute on here the amount of console only gamers that somehow have this feeling or theory that PC gamers are just dying for an excuse to move to consoles. The vast majority really arent. PC is freedom.

Also i dont know if there is any actual hard data for this but i'm willing to bet way more console gamers move to PC, over PC gamers converting to console.

Apart from price (and even that seems to be diminsihing with every console gen) there is literally nothing a console can offer over a PC, while a PC offers sooooooo much more than a console ever will.
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Exclusives. Nintendo is so successful with staying with that principle, and this are very impressive and fun exclusives.
 
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PCMR might help consoles a little
PC in general helps consoles a lot
Consoles in general help PCs the most.

How do consoles help PC you ask? By bringing new gen technology to a large enough market that devs can produce high end games and sell to a large enough audience to recoup dev costs. This is why PC gaming benefits from a new console gen.
 
Stuart360 said:
I always find it cute on here the amount of console only gamers that somehow have this feeling or theory that PC gamers are just dying for an excuse to move to consoles. The vast majority really arent. PC is freedom.
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"Freedom" where if you don't release on Steam your product is dead to me ?
 
The thread is dumb, but I just came here to remember you that as long as you're using windows on your expensive gaming PC you're not a "master race" but just a slave of MS.
 
yogaflame said:
You have a point on the technical side especially seeing how bad UE5 and force ray tracing on some console games which are not properly optimize for a specific console. I miss consoles with there own tech like for example cell processor. It was really a good piece of tech. Even capcom said it was good. Its just that developers from third party complain about how hard to port there games to ps3.
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It's strange to see "not properly optimize" and "miss own tech" in same paragraph.

PS3 was hell to optimize (and PS2 too) and only handfull of 1st party games pushed it to limit as it required very sophisticated team and a lot of work.
It was good for everyone that consoles moved from "each iteration is random shit" to streamlined common architecture that console or PC or any other improve in turns.
PS4pro brought upscaling tech, PC brought AI/ML, PS5/XsX brought SSD based IO straight to GPU etc. It's good when everyone evolve together and not just Galapagos crazy shit.
 
PCMR has been "indirectly" strengthening console industry since ~Xbox1 - cause that was the point at which console h/w has become a version of PC h/w.
 
Danny Dudekisser said:
Look, OP. I'm drunk, too. But do you see me posting shit like this? No. Because with great alcohol comes great responsibility.

You know what'll strengthen consoles? Better consoles. Not some fucking garbage-ass shit like PS5 Pro. Actual better hardware. Exclusives are cool, too, but we hate that shit now because communism is in.
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Yeah i see you post that shit while drunk too. Sorry. :)
 
What the hell am I even reading here. Seems like you are staying some weird opinions as facts.

PC and consoles are catering to two different types of people.

It's like saying a Ferrari is gonna sell more cars than a VW Up because it's faster and looks better.
 
Console industry first have to decide to compete again with modern gaming pc's to even have chance at getting stronger.
Coz atm we got xbox consoles effectively raising white flag like they were french company, and thats already from few years back, day 1 pc ports of their games sealed the deal.

Nintendo has plethora of high quality exclusives from last gen(og switch) and so far 2 this gen(mkw and dkb on switch2) but what they lack tremendously vs modern day pc's is actual performance, aka proper stationary console not weaker from xsx/base ps5 from holidays 2020, especially that we are now in 2nd half of 2025.

Now last but not least playstation- they dropped amount and quality of their exclusives this gen tremendously, to a point even myself, vivid playstation fan(atic) doesnt see a point to buy their console(literally 2 exclusives, amazing ones but only 2, astro and demons souls, rest either crossgen, have or soon will have pc ports)...

About performance, currently 800$/900€ with discdrive price ps5pr0 is terrible deal, why i say it? Simple- we all know how overpriced gpu prices are, and guess what, thats price in euro(germany) of pc rig that is absolutely on pair with ps5pr0 in everything, not theoretical performance but performance in most new/old games:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HdmZTM 843€ included shipping
Maybe some1 could think this gaffer takes all his info from his a$$ but guess what we got yt vids that testing exact config r5 5600 and 16gigs 9060xt, we can see how plethora of games runs and looks on it, like here:


TLDR: Gotta blame top heads at xbox, nintendo and sony for terrible state of console industry, no1 else, they fucked it up and only they can fix it(not even sure if they are willing to fix it tho).
 
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Felessan said:
Why would market leaders decide to compete with undersogs? It's other way around
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Few years back when we got 14nm++++++++ process from intel they were also delusional enough to think they dont have to compete, console manufactures did compete against pc market even 25 years ago, for customer's(ours)money.

Back then they provided cheap consoles, crazy amount of exclusives(some timed, some still exclusive to this very day) and ofc ease of play, no downloads/patches/always online drm, no subscrition for online play, optimisation pedal to the metal etc)

With time we as console players slowly got taken away most/all of those things vs our pc player counterparts so not much is left as of now:

- price of hardware= similar as proven with ps5pr0, who knows how its gonna look holidays 2027/2028 with next xbox/playstation, likely worse.

-price of software- pc has major advantage thx to having multiple store windows, and not monopoly(which is even worse with almost no physical discs)

-paying for online- thats 300-400$ or w/e bucks in a lifespan of generation, pc players spend that cash on games/hardware instead

-high quality exclusives- 0 from xbox coz pc got them all, usually can even run those games in higher res/settings/fps too, there are some on playstation still but not plenty enough to buy console for it, nintendo is very conservative in that area coz knows as soon as their exclusives are ported to other platforms- its end of nintendo as platform holder(their problem is lack of performance, no proper stationary console that is somewhat as strong as entry lvl modern pc).
 
PeteBull said:
With time we as console players slowly got taken away most/all of those things vs our pc player counterparts so not much is left as of now
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Consoles (mainline) are still best value/for money black box that takes 5 minutes to setup without any technical knowledge and play games that doesn't tell you "fuck off" every now and then, especially on budget hardware.
It's optimal point of price, value for money, easy of use, comfort of play and actual quality of the games. PC can be better in some of them being significantly worse in others, but sweet spot is unreachable for it.

PeteBull said:
price of hardware= similar as proven with ps5pr0, who knows how its gonna look holidays 2027/2028 with next xbox/playstation, likely worse.
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Ps5pro is enthusiast level hardware. It's not mass market product base PS5 targets.

PeteBull said:
price of software- pc has major advantage thx to having multiple store windows, and not monopoly(which is even worse with almost no physical discs)
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Digital only when you own nothing.

PeteBull said:
paying for online- thats 300-400$ or w/e bucks in a lifespan of generation, pc players spend that cash on games/hardware instead
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Paying for online is not mandatory. Majority of console players doesn't pay - Fortnite is free to play online and SP games doesn't need any.

PeteBull said:
high quality exclusives
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And PC doesn't have any of its own. All PC players can do is sit, wait and hope. And occasionally beg for port of Bloodborne

It's funny how PC players call themselves Master race, but in reality treated as 2nd class citizen by almost everyone - Jensen "please pay x2", publishers "please wait in this special line for an year and maybe, ~maybe~ you'll be allowed to get in", devs "game works like crap? Buy better PC"
 
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