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Canada, U.K. pressures Boeing, Trump over Bombardier-Delta Air Lines order

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FrankCanada97

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And before any Torontonians here post, I'll get this out of the way:
"LATE STREETCARS LATE STREETCARS LATE STREETCARS RAAAHHHHH"
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Canada, U.K. step up pressure on Boeing to resolve dispute over Bombardier
British Prime Minister Theresa May is lending her government's support to Canada in a bid to resolve a potentially damaging trade dispute initiated by U.S. aerospace giant Boeing against Montreal-based rival Bombardier.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland told reporters at the Liberal cabinet retreat in St. John's Tuesday that the two countries are working together on the file to protect jobs in both countries.

"We have indeed been working closely with our British allies on this issue. They have a strong interest in Bombardier and I think it absolutely makes sense for us to work in close partnership, and that's exactly what we've been doing."

Bombardier is the largest manufacturing employer in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

Canada's ambassador to Washington, David MacNaughton, said the May government volunteered to help resolve the trade complaint now being investigated by the U.S. Commerce Department.
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Boeing asked the U.S. Commerce Department in April to investigate whether Bombardier is dumping planes into the U.S. market, alleging government subsidies to the company allowed it to close a deal for 75 C-series passenger jets with Delta Airlines at a cut-rate price.
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MacNaughton told reporters he's asked Boeing executives to resume talks to head off the dispute. Those talks broke off in early August, when representatives of the aircraft-maker walked away from the table.

The ambassador has also reached out to U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, whose department is investigating Boeing's complaint.

"All we've said to Secretary Ross is that we would like to continue discussions, because we don't understand why they would be taking action on a case where [Boeing] wasn't even competing for the business. It's kind of strange."

Bombardier's Northern Ireland plant employs 5,000 workers directly and represents 10 per cent of the region's manufacturing jobs, where May's Conservative government holds key seats.

"These jobs are of huge importance to Northern Ireland and the economy in Northern Ireland and the prime minister wished to make that point to the president," her spokesman told reporters Tuesday, adding there had been a lot of government engagement with Boeing.

"It is in everyone's interests that we safeguard Bombardier's operations and the highly skilled workers that it has in Belfast."

A preliminary decision from the Commerce Department, which could include duties, is expected Sept. 25. A final determination is not expected until next winter.
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Officials with knowledge of the file in Washington, speaking to reporters on background, said the British have been actively flagging concerns "at all levels of the U.S. government" and directly with Boeing.

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The officials said their impression is the U.S. government would prefer a negotiated settlement between Boeing and the Canadian government.

Canada's international trade minister, François-Philippe Champagne, said May understands what's at stake in the dispute for Bombardier operations in Canada and the U.K.

"It provides a lot of employment in Northern Ireland and so she has taken a similar position to us, sending a very strong signal to Boeing that they should be listening to Canada," he said.

Canada has threatened to retaliate by cancelling a lucrative order with Boeing for 18 Super Hornet fighter jets. Last week, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau raised the issue in a call with Eric Greitens, the governor of Missouri, whose state is home to many jobs manufacturing the jets.

For its part, Boeing has given no indication that it's listening to the concerns, or that it's even willing to continue talks with Canadian trade officials.
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U.K. PM May asks Trump to help over Boeing's Bombardier challenge
British Prime Minister Theresa May has asked President Donald Trump to intervene in a dispute between Boeing Co. and Canadian rival Bombardier to help secure thousands of jobs in Northern Ireland.

British ministers have also approached Boeing directly in an attempt to get the world's largest aerospace company to drop its challenge against Bombardier, which could endanger a factory that employs 4,500 people in the British province.

Bombardier is Northern Ireland's largest manufacturing employer and May's Conservatives are dependent on the support of the small Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) party for their majority in parliament.
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"Our priority is to encourage Boeing to drop its case and seek a negotiated settlement with Bombardier," a British government spokesman said in a statement.

"This is a commercial matter, but the UK government is working tirelessly to safeguard Bombardier's operations and its highly skilled workers in Belfast."

A spokesman for May said Bombardier's jobs were "of huge importance" to Northern Ireland. May is likely to find it difficult to convince Trump, who has made 'America First' a theme of his administration, to get one of the titans of U.S. industry to back off from defending what it views as its trade rights.

But the DUP is certain to maintain its pressure on her.

"The engagement at governmental level with Boeing and with the U.S. has been significant over the course of the summer because this is pivotal to the Northern Ireland economy," DUP lawmaker Gavin Robinson told the Irish national broadcaster RTE.

"We're not there yet, and the work still has to continue."

Boeing this year asked the U.S. Commerce Department to investigate alleged subsidies and unfair pricing at Bombardier, accusing it of having sold 75 of its CSeries medium-range airliners to Delta Air Lines at well below cost price.

Bombardier makes the aircraft's state-of-the-art carbon wings at plant in Belfast.

"Boeing had to take action as subsidized competition has hurt us now and will continue to hurt us for years to come, and we could not stand by given this clear case of illegal dumping," Boeing said in a statement.

"We believe that global trade only works if everyone plays by the same rules of the road, and that's a principle that ultimately creates the greatest value for Canada, the United Kingdom, the United States, and our aerospace industry."

Bombardier called the allegations absurd.

"Boeing's petition is an unfounded assault on airlines, the traveling public and further innovation in aerospace," a Bombardier spokesman said.
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Industry sources said Boeing was unlikely to back down in the case, which mirrors a wider row with Europe's Airbus over subsidies that it perceives as a strategic threat.

The row could also reopen a debate over Britain's own support for Bombardier in Northern Ireland. In 2008, the UK provided £113 million in development loans plus other local aid for the production of CSeries wings, prompting a complaint from Brazil's Embraer. The European Union rejected the claim.
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Bombardier is attempting to break Boeing's and Airbus' duopoly on narrow-body jetliners with their new CSeries line. The CS100 and CS300 have already begun service with European operators.

Delta's order of 75 CS100 jets is Bombardier's largest order and first from an American carrier. The CSeries directly competes with the Boeing 737 Max and Airbus A320neo families.
 
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FrankCanada97

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British PM May met with Canadian PM Trudeau and discussed the trade dispute on Monday. May will continue to pressure Trump on the issue while Trudeau reiterated his threat of cancelling the F-18 fighter jet order.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41313936
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Mrs May was speaking in Ottawa after talks with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

"I will be impressing on [Mr Trump] the significance of Bombardier to the United Kingdom and particularly... to jobs in Northern Ireland," she said.

Mr Trudeau renewed his threat to cancel an order with Boeing for 18 Super Hornet fighter jets.

He said: "We won't do business with a company that's suing us."
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Bombardier accused Boeing of hypocrisy:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41312525

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Boeing had alleged that Bombardier had engaged in "price dumping" by agreeing to sell 75 of its planes for almost $14m (£10.6m) below their cost price.

It wants the US government to hit Bombardier with punitive tariffs.

On Monday, it said that Bombardier must sell its aircraft "according to globally-accepted trade law".

"We all have a shared interest in a level playing field. This is what this dispute is about."

However, in a statement, Bombardier said while it shares Boeing's "commitment to a level playing field", the rival firm "were not even on the field".

"Delta ordered the C-Series because Boeing stopped making an aircraft of the size Delta needed years ago," the statement said.

"It is pure hypocrisy for Boeing to say that the C-Series launch pricing is a 'violation of global trade law' when Boeing does the same for its new aircraft.

"Boeing's self-serving actions threaten thousands of aerospace jobs around the world, including thousands of UK and US jobs and billions of purchases from the many UK and US suppliers who build components for the C-Series."

Bombardier called on the US government to reject "Boeing's attempt to tilt the playing field in its favour and impose an indirect tax on the US flying public through unjustified import tariffs".
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djkimothy

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slit said:
It wouldn't be the free market if what Boeing alleged is true. Having said that I have no idea if there is a shred of truth to the allegations.
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Every aerospace company gets major subsidies from their governments. This is not unique to Bombardier and it's rich that Boeing is raising this now.
 
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afroguy10

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FrankCanada97 said:
Northern Ireland politicians Arlene Foster and Michelle O'Neill have written to Mike Pence about the trade dispute.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41251441
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Bleugh, Arlene Foster is a fucking cretin. I get that it's not very pertinent to the subject at hand but she's the leader of the DUP a homophobic, right wing, mega Christian Irish Loyalist party that has links to Loyalist paramilitary groups from during the Troubles.
 
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kmag

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Bombardier and Canada are actually caught bang to rights here, and they know it hence the talk of a negotiated settlement.

Boeing simply sees an opportunity to remove Bombardier from the marketplace as they're not competitive without the Canadian government support, and unlike with Boeing and the US government the Canadian government can't just play cute with military contracts as subsidy.
 
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QuicheFontaine

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Bombardier's Northern Ireland plant employs 5,000 workers directly and represents 10 per cent of the region's manufacturing jobs, where May's Conservative government holds key seats.
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Uhh I don't think there's any conservative seats in Norn Iron
 
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ZanDatsu

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I was an apprentice for Bombardier but didn't like the idea of working in a windowless factory every day so gave it up. Surprised the whole industry isn't automated already.
 
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Oriel

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If it wasn't for extensive support from London Bombardier would have abandoned Belfast long ago. They only this week laid off more staff, something that wasn't blamed on the current trade spat.

Maybe Bombardier will move across the border to the Republic like so many London based financial firms are doing right now. We'd gladly welcome them. ;)
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Guerrillas in the Mist said:
"We love the free market, but only when it suits existing, large US firms"
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This isn't the free market.

These are planes that were offered to a US carrier at non-competitive rates because a foreign government is subsidising the cost of development in order to keep jobs in their country.

It's actually protectionism run amock and *if* Boeing is right is against the WTO rules. Even more troubling because May needs those seats to keep her government in power.

This feels like a kickback to benefit local jobs in order to ensure they keep voting within the weird UK governing coalition that keeps the current leadership in London at the expense of fair trade and is making a good actor (Boeing) competitively disadvantaged which is illegal and harmful to workers both in the US and globally.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Also, It's not just Torontoans. The C line in NYC has been waiting for Bombadier subway cars for 12 years :p
 
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Oriel

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Let's not pretend that Bombardier is the only one receiving state aid. Airbus is fostered and promoted by the EU. Boeing by the US. Embraer by Brazil. These four are considered "national champions" by their respective governments who will actively seek to protect such major companies.
 
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DiscoJer

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The Export-Import bank is (or was) basically just a subsidy for Boeing. So this is just sour grapes. Everyone does this, unfortunately.

The last thing we have in this world is free markets. Instead we have countries (and in the US, states) scrambling and competing with each other to give companies the most money (either outright or via tax breaks)

Which hurts us all in the long run. We'd all be so much better off if governments just told corporations to stuff it and gave the money to its citizens. But citizens don't have lobbyists.
 
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Fixed1979

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Oriel said:
Let's not pretend that Bombardier is the only one receiving state aid. Airbus is fostered and promoted by the EU. Boeing by the US. Embraer by Brazil. These four are considered "national champions" by their respective governments who will actively seek to protect such major companies.
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This is why I'm having trouble empathizing with any of these Boeing/Airbus/Bombardier. All these companies are getting handed large amount money from the government through different means, it's just a matter of who's being the most clever about it.
 
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burnjanso

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Oriel said:
Let's not pretend that Bombardier is the only one receiving state aid. Airbus is fostered and promoted by the EU. Boeing by the US. Embraer by Brazil. These four are considered "national champions" by their respective governments who will actively seek to protect such major companies.
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Bombardier acted like an idiot thinking that no one would care and/or they would have Canada and UK's backing if they ran in trouble in blatantly breaking US anti dumping laws. Bombardier is free to look into Boeing's business dealings with Canada, but it looks bad that they are using political pressure on a deal that occurred in the U.S.
There's probably bunch of things to be said as to why dumping is bad for jobs, innovation, and how profitable companies are better in the long run for any industry and so forth, but from Boeing's point of view, if Delta receives competitive advantage by buying Canadian taxpayer subsidized airplanes, other airlines will have to follow suit by buying Bombardier+Canada taxpayer airplane, and this might now even be limited to the U.S. airliners but could spread to other foreign airlines. It just looks like a small snowball turning into an avalanche.
 
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kmfdmpig

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Oriel said:
Let's not pretend that Bombardier is the only one receiving state aid. Airbus is fostered and promoted by the EU. Boeing by the US. Embraer by Brazil. These four are considered "national champions" by their respective governments who will actively seek to protect such major companies.
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Sure and the US and EU have had many battles over subsidies to Airbus and Boeing. Those have hardly gone unnoticed or unaddressed over the years.
 
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Chumly

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Are there any articles that address the merits of boeings complaints compared to subsidies that the United States provides Boeing etc?
 
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FrankCanada97

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Chumly said:
Are there any articles that address the merits of boeings complaints compared to subsidies that the United States provides Boeing etc?
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June 9th:
http://business.financialpost.com/news/transportation/u-s-trade-commission-deals-blow-to-bombardier-with-vote-to-continue-jet-dumping-probe

The United States International Trade Commission voted to continue its investigation into Bombardier Inc.'s trade practices on Friday, a decision that was largely expected and that could stall the company's efforts to sell its CSeries jets in the U.S. market.

After a 45-day preliminary investigation, the five members of the USITC panel all voted in the ”affirmative," deciding that there is ”a reasonable indication" that the Boeing Company is threatened with material injury as a result of Bombardier's alleged sale of subsidized jets for less than fair value.

The U.S. aerospace giant filed the petition with both the USITC and the U.S. Department of Commerce, alleging that Bombardier had used illegal government subsidies and launched an ”aggressive campaign" to dump its CSeries jets in the U.S. market.

At the centre of Boeing's petition are two order bids for Bombardier's previously beleaguered CSeries aircraft, including Delta Air Lines' purchase of 75 CSeries jets.

The petition has pitted Boeing against Bombardier, Delta and the Canadian government, which all argued that the trade commission should dismiss the complaint and issue a negative determination.

Delta said there was ”no reasonable indication of threat of material injury" to Boeing, as the company never tried to sell new aircraft to the airline, and does not make an aircraft the size Delta wanted.

Although Bombardier has yet to deliver one of its new aircraft to Delta, Boeing said its use of highly distortive pricing is an attempt to eliminate the 737 Max 7 from the 100 to 150-seat single aisle market home to the CSeries.

The trade spat could have many immediate reverberations, for both Boeing and Bombardier.

As the investigation continues, Boeing risks further straining its relationship with the Canadian government, which has suggested it may reconsider purchasing billions of dollars worth of Super Hornet fighter jets. Last week, Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan suggested that the U.S. company can no longer be considered a trusted partner as a result of the petition.
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June 28th:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/regulators-delay-bombardier-trade-row-ruling-at-boei-438874/
The US Department of Commerce has approved a request by Boeing to delay by several months a decision about whether to hit Bombardier's CSeries with subsidy-related import duties.

The Commerce Department had expected to issue a preliminary countervailing duty determination on 21 July, but set the date at 25 September following Boeing's request, a Commerce Department official confirms.

In a 26 June letter to commerce secretary Wilbur Ross, a lawyer for Boeing says the investigation involves "14 categories of subsidies... that take various forms, including equity infusions, launch aid, export financing, grants, the provision of goods, tax credits and a line of credit".

"It is important that the department have sufficient time to investigate each of these subsidies thoroughly," says the letter. "This will require receiving, analysing and possibly collecting additional information."
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Bombardier supports more time.

"We agree that Commerce should have ample time to consider all of the evidence, which will show that Boeing's petition is without merit," says Bombardier in an email.

In May, the Commerce Department announced it and the United States International Trade Commission were investigating Bombardier for trade violations, a move that followed a petition submitted by Boeing in April.

Boeing claimed Bombardier sold 75 CS100s to Delta Air Lines in 2016 at the artificially-low price of about $20 million each, therefore pushing down prices for competing aircraft, namely 737-700s and 737 Max 7. Boeing also cited Bombardier's effort to sell the CSeries to United Airlines.

Boeing claimed CS100s actually cost $33 million each to produce, but said Bombardier was able to make the deal thanks largely to some $2.5 billion in government equity and billions more in other subsidies.

Bombardier has denied the claims, insisting that the CSeries does not compete with the larger 737-700 or 737 Max 7.
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"We find that the low prices offered by Bombardier for the CS100 in both the United and Delta sales campaigns are likely to have a significant depressing or suppressing effect on domestic prices and are likely to increase demand for further imports," said the Trade Commission's report.

"To compete with Delta's low-cost fleet of CS100s, and possibly CS300s, other US airlines will likely demand similarly-low prices on 100- to 150-seat [aircraft] offered by either Boeing or Bombardier," the report added.

Delta disclosed its CSeries pricing to the Trade Commission during a post-conference brief.

Though the report does not specify those figures, Delta agreed to be a "high-profile marquee" customer in exchange for "launch pricing" at a 20% to 30% discount," says the report.

However, the Trade Commission concluded: "It is unclear that launch pricing can explain the substantial discount that Delta received on the CS100. Bombardier launched the CSeries in 2008, and made its first sale to Lufthansa in 2009, long before its sale to Delta in 2016."

The Commerce Department's investigation schedule, issued prior to Boeing's request, calls for it to issue countervailing orders on 27 November and anti-dumping orders on 8 February 2018.
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Oriel

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A nice kick to the teeth for May and the Brexit supporting DUPes. They thought by slithering up to Trump that his America First agenda would somehow work in Britain's favour. Ha! Not a chance. America First means America First. Everyone else (ie, the rest of the world) are a distant last.
 
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cabot

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A great shituation no matter how you fare.

From The Guardian live feed

Boeing issued a polite but firm reminder to Theresa May that it employs 16,500 people in its UK supply chain and last week broke ground on a new facility in Sheffield.

The Prime Minister may find it difficult to keep her new best friends in the DUP sweet while not offending such an important employer in the rest of the UK.
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Both companies are important to different parts of the UK, but the 10 DUP MPs hold significant power. Curious to see how May responds.

Head in the sands probably.

It's almost October and NI has no devolved government, it's all on the DUP10 right now.


We'll see how this goes but it's a startling reminder that the free trade dream peddled by the hard Brexiteers is a deluded fantasy. There's gonna be much more of this sort of stuff.
 
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Camp Freddie

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cabot said:
A great shituation no matter how you fare.

Both companies are important to different parts of the UK, but the 10 DUP MPs hold significant power. Curious to see how May responds.

Head in the sands probably.

It's almost October and NI has no devolved government, it's all on the DUP10 right now.

We'll see how this goes but it's a startling reminder that the free trade dream peddled by the hard Brexiteers is a deluded fantasy. There's gonna be much more of this sort of stuff.
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Tories aren't very popular in Sheffield, so I imagine May would rather protect 4000 NI jobs than 16000 Sheffield jobs.
However, I don't think May is at all serious. She's making some noise to keep the DUP on-side. She won't want to upset America or Canada over trade rules when her big plan is to negotiate trade deals with them both in a couple of years.
 
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afroguy10 said:
Bleugh, Arlene Foster is a fucking cretin. I get that it's not very pertinent to the subject at hand but she's the leader of the DUP a homophobic, right wing, mega Christian Irish Loyalist party that has links to Loyalist paramilitary groups from during the Troubles.
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Technically. . But that might make their proud, Protestant God-fearing British heads explode
 
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ThreePiMatt

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I believe Boeing pushed for this not just because of Bombardier but because China is on the verge of completing their similar passenger jet, the C919, and they definitely don't want the Chinese government flooding the market with subsidized planes.
 
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slit

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djkimothy said:
Every aerospace company gets major subsidies from their governments. This is not unique to Bombardier and it's rich that Boeing is raising this now.
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What does that have to do with if it is the free market or not? Boeing is saying the rules were broken. I'm not saying they really were broken but that is the allegation.
 
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jelly

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Defence Secretary Farron is now warning Boeing about their defence contracts.

Going well, this post Brexit Britain.
 
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djkimothy

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Airbus buys majority stake in C Series Jet. Will open an assembly line in Mobile Alabama.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rity-stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program

Official Press release.

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2017/10/airbus-bombardier-cseries-agreement.html

Airbus to acquire majority stake in the C Series Aircraft Limited Partnership

· Partnership brings together two complementary product lines, with 100-150 seat market segment expected to represent more than 6,000 new aircraft over the next 20 years

· Combination of Airbus' global reach and scale with Bombardier's newest aircraft family to create significant value for customers, suppliers, employees and shareholders

· Significant C Series production costs savings anticipated by leveraging Airbus' supply chain expertise

· Commitment to Québec: C Series Aircraft Limited Partnership headquarters and primary assembly to remain in Québec, with the support of both companies' global supply chains

· Airbus' global industrial footprint expands with the C Series Final Assembly Line in Canada, resulting in a positive impact on operations in Québec and across the country

· Growing market for C Series results in second Final Assembly Line in Mobile, Alabama, serving U.S. customers

Amsterdam / Montreal, 16 October 2017 – Airbus SE (EPA: AIR) and Bombardier Inc. (TSX: BBD.B) are to become partners on the C Series aircraft programme. A corresponding agreement was signed today. The agreement brings together Airbus' global reach and scale with Bombardier's newest, state-of-the-art jet aircraft family, positioning both partners to fully unlock the value of the C Series platform and create significant new value for customers, suppliers, employees and shareholders.

Under the agreement, Airbus will provide procurement, sales and marketing, and customer support expertise to the C Series Aircraft Limited Partnership (CSALP), the entity that manufactures and sells the C Series. At closing, Airbus will acquire a 50.01% interest in CSALP. Bombardier and Investissement Québec (IQ) will own approximately 31% and 19% respectively.

CSALP's headquarters and primary assembly line and related functions will remain in Québec, with the support of Airbus' global reach and scale. Airbus' global industrial footprint will expand with the Final Assembly Line in Canada and additional C Series production at Airbus' manufacturing site in Alabama, U.S. This strengthening of the programme and global cooperation will have positive effects on Québec and Canadian aerospace operations.

The single aisle market is a key growth driver, representing 70% of the expected global future demand for aircraft. Ranging from 100 to 150 seats, the C Series is highly complementary to Airbus' existing single aisle aircraft portfolio, which focuses on the higher end of the single-aisle business (150-240 seats). The world class sales, marketing and support networks that Airbus brings into the venture are expected to strengthen and accelerate the C Series' commercial momentum. Additionally, Airbus' supply chain expertise is expected to generate significant C Series production cost savings.

Airbus is strongly committed to Canada and its aerospace sector with Canadian suppliers extending their access to Airbus' global supply chain. This new C Series partnership is set to secure jobs in Canada for many years to come.

"This is a win-win for everybody! The C Series, with its state-of-the-art design and great economics, is a great fit with our existing single-aisle aircraft family and rapidly extends our product offering into a fast growing market sector. I have no doubt that our partnership with Bombardier will boost sales and the value of this programme tremendously," said Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders. "Not only will this partnership secure the C Series and its industrial operations in Canada, the U.K. and China, but we also bring new jobs to the U.S. Airbus will benefit from strengthening its product portfolio in the high-volume single-aisle market, offering superior value to our airline customers worldwide."

”We are very pleased to welcome Airbus to the C Series programme," said Alain Bellemare, President and Chief Executive Officer of Bombardier Inc. ”Airbus is the perfect partner for us, Québec and Canada. Their global scale, strong customer relationships and operational expertise are key ingredients for unleashing the full value of the C Series. This partnership should more than double the value of the C Series programme and ensures our remarkable game-changing aircraft realizes its full potential."

”The arrival of Airbus as a strategic partner today will ensure the sustainability and growth of the C Series programme, as well as consolidating the entire Québec aerospace cluster. In the current context, the partnership with Airbus is, for us, the best solution to ensure the maintenance and creation of jobs in this strategic sector of the Québec economy," said Québec's Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Economy, Science and Innovation and Minister responsible for Digital Strategy, Dominique Anglade.
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djkimothy

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pswii60 said:
No mention of Northern Ireland - so I assume they're still fucked?
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I think the production lines are the same. They only difference is the new assembly line in Alabama.

The Globe and Mail mentions that jobs will be secured in Canada, UK and China so I'm guessing Ireland gets to celebrate.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/re.../+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links

"I have no doubt that our partnership with Bombardier will boost sales and the value of this program tremendously," Airbus chief executive Tom Enders said in a statement. "Not only will this partnership secure the C Series and its industrial operations in Canada, the U.K., and China but we also bring new jobs to the U.S. Airbus will benefit from strengthening its product portfolio in the high-volume single-aisle market."
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DopeyFish

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pswii60 said:
No mention of Northern Ireland - so I assume they're still fucked?
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UK is mentioned in there

Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders: "Not only will this partnership secure the C Series and its industrial operations in Canada, the U.K. and China, but we also bring new jobs to the U.S. Airbus will benefit from strengthening its product portfolio in the high-volume single-aisle market, offering superior value to our airline customers worldwide."
 
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FrankCanada97

Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
This was a little unexpected for me, I was reading rumours that Bombardier was going to sell a stake in their Q400 and CRJ lines not the C Series.
 
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djkimothy

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FrankCanada97 said:
This was a little unexpected for me, I was reading rumours that Bombardier was going to sell a stake in their Q400 and CRJ lines not the C Series.
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I feel like Bombardier was pressured in coming up with a creative way to skirt the tariffs, so this was their plan B. Hearing about their q400 and crj in the news i felt something was up.
 
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Tuck

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Would have been nice if bombardier could stand on its own here, but at least the program and the jobs will survive.

Get fucked Boeing.
 
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