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Canada will have ANOTHER Federal election this Fall.

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Diagol

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Breaking.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...ories_election_090901/20090901?hub=TopStories

Liberals will topple Harper government: Ignatieff

Updated Tue. Sep. 1 2009 1:44 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he will no longer support Stephen Harper's minority government.

In a speech Tuesday to the Liberal caucus, Ignatieff said Harper's time as prime minister, "is over."


"I cannot support this government any further," Ignatieff said to cheers and wild applause, following a meeting with his Liberal caucus which is on retreat in Sudbury, Ont.

"We will hold Stephen Harper to account and we will oppose his government in Parliament."

Sources have told CTV News that the Liberals will put forward a non-confidence motion to force an election this fall.

During his speech, Ignatieff attacked Harper's record during his four years in office.

"Mr. Harper, you have failed all four tests," Ignatieff said. "You've failed to protect the most vulnerable. You've failed to create jobs. You've failed to defend our health care. You've failed to produce a plan to restore our public finances."

Ignatieff said his party "can do better" at managing the economic crisis, protecting Canadians abroad and making the country competitive in the 21st century.

"Stephen Harper doesn't get it," Ignatieff said. "He doesn't get that Canada's in a race -- that we've got to position our country to compete in the 21st century. We've got to make Canada a world leader again -- and we've got to do it now."

CTV parliamentary correspondent Roger Smith, reporting from Sudbury before Ignatieff's speech, said some members of the Liberal caucus have been pleading for a more cautious approach in a bid to temper the leader's hawkish tone.

They're saying, "'It's only been a year since the last election; the polls show us in a dead heat, at best; the economy is starting to turn around ...What exactly is our message going to be?'" Smith said Tuesday morning on Canada AM.

The hawks, meanwhile, are telling their leader they can no longer prop up the Tory government, saying: "'This is as good a time as any, and we don't know what the situation will be down the road'."

The Liberals also find themselves in a far better financial situation than at the start of the previous election.

"They raised more money than the Tories in the second quarter. They've got ads ready to go," Smith added. "Ignatieff seems to be leading them to pull down the government in late September."

Liberal caucus chair Anthony Rota said the party is ready for an election, be it this fall or next spring.

"No matter what happens, when you're in a monitory government, you're always ready for an election," Rota told Smith Tuesday during an interview on CTV News Channel. "And when you look at the caucus, we're ready. We're ready for an election whether it comes now, or whether it comes a year from now."

Earlier Tuesday, Liberal finance critic John McCallum said that his party should bring down the Conservative government over its management of the economic crisis, saying the Tories were too slow at getting fiscal stimulus money out the door this summer.

McCallum also pointed to Monday's news that Canada's economy grew by 0.1 per cent in June, about half the growth the private sector had expected.

"Well I certainly think a strong case can be made for a change in government on grounds of economic mismanagement because yesterday's growth numbers showed that, far from leading the G7 out of recession, Canada was dead last in its economic performance in the second quarter," McCallum told Smith.


EI, stimulus spending at issue

On Monday, the Conservatives said talk of a fall election could risk derailing the nation's fledgling economic recovery.

On the cusp of Parliament's resumption, Transport Minister John Baird said economic stimulus spending could be threatened if Canadians are forced back to the polls by a non-confidence vote in the coming weeks.

Ignatieff dismissed Baird's statement on Monday as a "load of nonsense."

The big question mark is how Ignatieff intends to sell Canadians on yet another election, especially in light of yesterday's data showing signs of life in the economy for the first time in almost a year.

Smith said according to the hawks, the main issue that triggers a non-confidence vote may be failure by the government to provide the changes the Liberals want on unemployment insurance -- an issue that Harper and Ignatieff locked horns over when Parliament ended in June.

While the leaders held a series of meetings on the issue over the summer, Ignatieff has said the Tories balked at his efforts to build bridges on EI reform.

The Liberal caucus retreat ends Wednesday. The fall sitting of Parliament resumes Sept. 14, and Smith said opposition's first chance for a non-confidence vote will be September 30 -- "which could mean an election the first or second week of November."

With files from The Canadian Press

Wow....how many have we had now in the past few years? Is this 3, or 4?
 

Asmodai

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Funky Papa said:
It's kind of amazing that the country is not in fucking shambles taking things into consideration.

Probably because the liberals and the tories govern basically the exact same way. That and Canada is so inherently prosperous and stable that it would take almost incredible incompetence to actually take the country down.

I mean, not just wasting a few billion dollars on gun registries and whatnot. How did they possibly lose so much money on that anyway? Did they dig a mine shaft and fill it with 100 dollar bills?:lol
 
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The Internet said:

motherfucking this

time for some real change. and by that, i mean the legalization and taxation of marijuana. get some new revenues up in this bitch!

come on, it's about time. for fuck's sake. let's do the right thing, legalize it. Iggy is pretty much a non-starter as a candidate. He is not PM material. Jack Layton has my vote hands-down.
 
TemplaerDude said:
oh my god iggy is so dumb. i can't wait to vote against him.

Harper's had like five kicks at the can and still can't cobble together a majority or coalition. Half his own party doesn't even like him and just threw a bigger party for Mulroney than anything they ever did for him. I'm going to hope the Liberals have had the douche knocked out of them the last couple of years and vote for Iggy; we need a real government again.
 
Kifimbo said:
Let's hope the turnout is less than 50%.

I know I won't vote.

Why aren't you going to vote, if you don't mind me asking? I didn't vote in the last election because, at the time, I couldn't believe we were having another one then. I happened to mention that I didn't vote during a conversation with my friend's dad, and he put some real heat on me for that; I forgot that his dad was a WW2 vet. Needless to say, I had my eyes opened a little bit, in terms of the freedoms that we take for granted.

Don't get me wrong, I know just perfectly well how easy it is to become disillusioned with the electoral process when you have fucking nonsense going on like this, but as my friend's dad explained to me, that's where our duty as citizens in a democracy comes into play; hold our elected official's feet to the fire, make your voice heard, and if you're not satisfied with their performance, speak up.
 

shuri

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Kifimbo said:
Let's hope the turnout is less than 50%.

I know I won't vote.
Awww that's cute, you can leave this thread and go at the kid's table to talk about Final Fantasy or sales numbers now.
 
aztrex said:
motherfucking this

time for some real change. and by that, i mean the legalization and taxation of marijuana. get some new revenues up in this bitch!

come on, it's about time. for fuck's sake. let's do the right thing, legalize it. Iggy is pretty much a non-starter as a candidate. He is not PM material. Jack Layton has my vote hands-down.

I can't wait for Jack Layton to win ... JUST so I can see if he's able to form ONE SENTENCE without the use of the words "big" followed by "business."

We don't need another election *sigh*. The real shame is that as much as I might not like Harper, he's the best we have right now given the alternatives ... this is the worst part. There's little distinction between either Liberal or Tories, and neither seems have to do anything but point out each others problems. Harper's against appointing senators, but turns around and does it and appoints a lot of other smaller positions. Hypocritical, but realistically what would we have him do? Right, senate reform... which he has a point on, but won't act on it. So the Liberals and NDP "harp" (sorry lol) on him for that, but they'd do the same thing if positions were reversed.

Here in BC, when I think about the rest of the country, it's no wonder there's so much voter apathy all around. Oh, and Gordon Campbell might be sorry excuse for an ... anything (and a drunk driver to boot just to take a cheap shot), but what's the alternative? The hen that is Carole James? I am not against increased wages, but 10hr in BC is too much of a hike just to name one thing.

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expy

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If people would actually show up and vote, then we'd probably wouldn't have to re-vote every 6 months. They should follow Australia and fine people if they don't vote.
 

Walshicus

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BobFromPikeCreek said:
Not voting this time. I'm fed up. Our politics suck.
Well you can do that and the person you don't want to win stands a better chance of doing so... or you can vote and even if you don't support either candidate you're almost certain to prefer one over the other, and so would still be serving your self interest.

Not voting just makes you an arse considering how many people would and have died for that right.
 

Kifimbo

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Sir Fragula said:
Not voting just makes you an arse considering how many people would and have died for that right.

That's just silly. I'd die too for the right to vote. Having the right to vote doesn't mean you are forced to vote if you don't believe any of these thiefs.
 

expy

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Kifimbo said:
That's just silly. I'd die too for the right to vote. Having the right to vote doesn't mean you are forced to vote if you don't believe any of these thiefs.

One has to be better than the others in your eyes. What I don't like is when people don't vote, and then complain about how they're getting screwed over. They deserve it.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
This wouldn't be an issue if people would just stop voting for that d-bag Harper. There's nothing good I like about Harper's government, I really hate his ministers, I hate his senators, I hate his foreign policies, I hate his domestic policies, I hate his Bush ass kissing etc.

I can't wait to vote against Harper once again.

Not that I like Ignatieff much more, but at this point anything seems better than Harper.
 

RevoDS

Junior Member
Canada should really consider implementing some kind of online voting system.

6 months before I'm 18 :( Minority again please?
 

BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
This is just getting silly now. Maybe I'll vote green this time around just to give them funding.
 

DuMaurier

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expy said:
One has to be better than the others in your eyes. What I don't like is when people don't vote, and then complain about how they're getting screwed over. They deserve it.

Pretty much. If you don't vote than you should shut and just eat whatever kind of shit they feed you. Voting takes about fifteen minutes, is it really such a burden on people?

I'm hoping Iggy is just bluffing to get his face on the front page of the papers again after Harper spent all summer doing photo-ops and Iggy did....I don't know where the hell he was all summer.
 

ghostmind

Member
Which candidate/party will push through terms and no more "pulling elections out of our ass"?


Whoever you are, you have my vote. This shit has to stop.
 

Kifimbo

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expy said:
One has to be better than the others in your eyes. What I don't like is when people don't vote, and then complain about how they're getting screwed over. They deserve it.

Since the Conservatives pretty much forgot what they stand for, none. Anyway, I live in Quebec, in a Bloc riding, so it's pretty much over before it starts here.


Pretty much. If you don't vote than you should shut and just eat whatever kind of shit they feed you. Voting takes about fifteen minutes, is it really such a burden on people?

I still pay taxes, so I'll keep bitching if I want to. Not voting is also sending a message.

Also, I don't want to give 2$ to a single party simply because I vote.
 

t-storm

Member
BorkBork said:
This is just getting silly now. Maybe I'll vote green this time around just to give them funding.
This is why we'll be going back to the polls again for the 67382th time.

Stop wasting your damn votes already people. Either vote conservative or liberal and vote to give someone a majority instead of being retarded and throwing your goddamn votes away.

Vote strategic instead of stupid.
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
Jesus fuck, again?

Why are we wasting our tax dollars on all these elections?

I mean, I hate Harper, but jesus...

We best get our own leader of Obama awesomeness.
 

Kifimbo

Member
DrEvil said:
Jesus fuck, again?

Why are we wasting our tax dollars on all these elections?

It's just a power grab. The Liberals will call for an election until they win.

Conservatives will do the same if the Liberals win a minority.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Voting Green this time. Liberals and Conservatives are both too power-hungry for their own good. I think we need to vote for other parties just to show them that they need to shut the hell up and govern first.
 

BorkBork

The Legend of BorkBork: BorkBorkity Borking
t-storm said:
This is why we'll be going back to the polls again for the 67382th time.

Stop wasting your damn votes already people. Either vote conservative or liberal and vote to give someone a majority instead of being retarded and throwing your goddamn votes away.

Vote strategic instead of stupid.

Do you know anything about my riding to make a statement like that?
 

ProudClod

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Hopefully students go out and vote this time. If University/College students actually voted, marijuana would have been legalized ages ago, tuition would have fallen considerably (FUCK YOU QUEBEC!) etc. Problem is, students are completely apathetic when it comes to federal elections. If we get a nice turnout for the 18-24 demographic, we'll see some nice changes within this country. 2.4 million people is a fucking huge demographic, yet still largely under-represented.
 
The quicker everyone can get together and kick the Conservatives out, the better we'll be. If you don't want to vote for another 5 years, vote Liberal (and this is coming from an NDP supporter).
 

ProudClod

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NetMapel said:
Voting Green this time. Liberals and Conservatives are both too power-hungry for their own good. I think we need to vote for other parties just to show them that they need to shut the hell up and govern first.

If only we can get enough people to agree to this to actually make an impact. The liberals and the conservatives will always have exponentially more support than green/ndp/bloc.

It's basically: Trying to start a voter revolution (risky) vs. choosing the lesser of two evils
 
ProudClod said:
If only we can get enough people to agree to this to actually make an impact. The liberals and the conservatives will always have exponentially more support than green/ndp/bloc.

It's basically: Trying to start a voter revolution (risky) vs. choosing the lesser of two evils

Someone needs to seriously start pushing for proportional representation.
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
NetMapel said:
Voting Green this time. Liberals and Conservatives are both too power-hungry for their own good. I think we need to vote for other parties just to show them that they need to shut the hell up and govern first.


I used to vote Green, but their representation here means my vote goes to shit, as we're a very 'liberal' oriented area, so I switched to NDP.. the bigger and more organized version of the green party..

NDP is the way to go, IMO.
 
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