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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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firehawk12
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I blame the Liberals and the NDP.
And yes, a Conservative minority will mean nothing because I doubt either losing party will want to be responsible to collapsing the government. I expect the NDP will begin to have leadership questions anyway.
gutter_trash
Banned
firehawk is more correct
the NDP is trying to become something it is not by trying to be Liberal-lite in the Center. It is not the NDP it used to be with Mulcair.
while the Liberals veered too much towards the Center-Right during the tail end of their last Governments that alienated the Center-Left voters who went meh I don't care about the Liberals anymore after 2006.
Justin is trying to recoop scorched earth by running to the Center-Left away from the Paul Martin scale.
dragonfart28
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So apparently the NDP doesn't want my vote anymore...
Littlefang
Member
Oh god please no not another term of stupid shit like Bill C-24 passing.
It's a new level of, red scare, McCarthyism, snitch on your neighbours crap.
Well thats one way to piss off other provinces. Keep on digging that hole Tom. So much for the NDP treating everyone equally. Geeze, free tip, even if Quebec was the only province to step up and opt out of things when offered, you still offer it to everyone as a choice.
This is unfair and will cause troubles in the long term. Panic mode Mulcair is such a disappointment so far.
What are the NDP even thinking with that... have they given up, and are now only interested in second place?
What the heck? This Quebec-pandering is crazy...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Desperation makes people do crazy things!
CitizenVectron
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The Liberals veered centre-right as soon as they were elected in 1993. Their whole balanced-budget platform in the 90s was built on the back of slashing public services and funding. Yes the deficits were caused by the PCs, but the Liberals were the conservatives in that case. Socially they were fairly liberal, but not overly so. The Liberals of the 90s were basically PCs.
dragonfart28
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I don't know how Mulcair thought this would be a good idea and I am still in shock to be honest.
There must be something I'm missing.
This must be some kind of Liberal prank.
gutter_trash
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What have I been saying all along?
dragonfart28
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Everything else about their platform is perfectly acceptable and rational in my opinion.
This is like they are trying to pry the vote from me themselves.
It doesn't even really make any sense for their own chances.
We, as second class provinces are not to question the eternal wisdom of Tom and his NDP. Clearly Quebec deserves all that extra attention.
Good luck everywhere else NDP, you're going to need it.
gutter_trash
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NDP under Mulcair reminds me allot of Robert Bourassa's rule as Premier
want to stay in Canada but willing to make concessions to nationalists just to appease them.
Pierre Trudeau once called Robert Bourassa a ''Mangeur de hot dog''
that is what Mulcair is today, un ''mangeur de hot dog''
want to stay in Canada but willing to make concessions to nationalists just to appease them.
Pierre Trudeau once called Robert Bourassa a ''Mangeur de hot dog''
that is what Mulcair is today, un ''mangeur de hot dog''
dragonfart28
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I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat for a second because this move doesn't make any sense and could lead to a significant shift in the political landscape.
Mulcair is solidifying his support in Quebec and trying to get swing voters elsewhere to give us a Liberal minority.
He knows a Conservative minority would likely put us back into another election in short order, but a Liberal minority would supplant Harper.
Mulcair is solidifying his support in Quebec and trying to get swing voters elsewhere to give us a Liberal minority.
He knows a Conservative minority would likely put us back into another election in short order, but a Liberal minority would supplant Harper.
Conservatives won in 2006 even though they got 2nd place in Ontario and 3rd in Quebec. But I thought if you won Ontario you automatically won the election! How was this victory possible?!?!?!
Re: Quebec Opt out: That is a terrible Hail Mary promise to Quebec by Mulcair, but I guess now would be the time to take big risks. I don't approve.
This is not going to be popular in the West, but on the other hand sometimes the West really doesn't care about what goes on in Quebec so maybe no one will notice.
Quebec already has a great deal of special powers other provinces don't (i.e. Immigration), so this isn't super unprecedented.
The Reform party got huge support with a decentralization platform, and that's continued with the Conservatives.
It makes sense strategically for the NDP to adopt a decentralization point of view to differentiate themselves from the centralist Liberals, but I have no idea why this should apply only to Quebec.
It makes sense strategically for the NDP to adopt a decentralization point of view to differentiate themselves from the centralist Liberals, but I have no idea why this should apply only to Quebec.
D'@rtagnan
Neo Member
Wow...
I hope this kind of crap backfires on them. I don't want to believe that Canadians would actually fall for this...
gutter_trash
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I found this poll by Innovative Research Group that makes the Liberals in the lead with 31% while the NDP and CPC are tied at 29% each.Someone simulator on reddit based off of this poll gives the election win to the NDP while the conservatives and the liberals are in second and third respectively.
http://www.innovativeresearch.ca/si... xlsx/151002_IRG29 Wave 5 Horserace Deck2.pdf
If you want to know the seat count for each party based off of this poll here it is.
113 NDP 112 CPC and 109 L
Take this poll with a grain of salt.
http://www.innovativeresearch.ca/si... xlsx/151002_IRG29 Wave 5 Horserace Deck2.pdf
If you want to know the seat count for each party based off of this poll here it is.
113 NDP 112 CPC and 109 L
Take this poll with a grain of salt.
If I remember the only reason they won was mostly because of the West while they improved their seat count in places like Ontario.
He pretty much called all francophones that. It's no wonder he's still reviled by some people here. My dad loathed him so much that he wanted to go spit on his grave when he kicked the bucket.
The Mulcair thing is probably related to the latest liberal attack ad on TV. They attacked him on his program for daycare which QC already have. Same for drugs/medication healthcare, we already have those so I can understand why he wants to do something different here but you cannot do this in a country where everyone is supposed to be equal.
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Even though some people may not like this it's a very risky move that may pay off for them.
http://www.strategicvoting.ca/alldistricts.php
That site any good?
Cause 1st priority is getting Harper out of office.
Don't vote with your heart, vote with your brain.
Really hope that site is legit.
That site any good?
Cause 1st priority is getting Harper out of office.
Don't vote with your heart, vote with your brain.
Really hope that site is legit.
gutter_trash
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8PM EST
I think the biggest problem that Canada has with regards to elections (other than the system itself) is that the general public rarely ever know the kind of shit the government does.
Information destruction, science nullification, etc. Is unknown to the general public at all. The voting population is ignorant to the crap that has happened, and that's not okay.
Information destruction, science nullification, etc. Is unknown to the general public at all. The voting population is ignorant to the crap that has happened, and that's not okay.
It's weird how this site is showing how it's best to vote for the NDP in my riding while in a lot of polls it showing either a close race between the independent candidate, the NDP candidate and Liberal candidate second or the independent candidate in second place while the NDP candidate and Liberals are far back.
Yeah, it was correct for my riding, but not sure about the others.
Cause it could be a dangerous site if it screws up others voting.
And looks like the NDP is pledging to strengthen Elections Canada and punish voting interference if they are elected.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I'm not sure.
They say to vote Liberal in mine which is wrong because they use 2011 data and the 2011 Liberal candidate is now the NPD candidate.
Knowing that, NPD is the clear winner and they are pretty much wrong.
Could it be taken from Projections?
Cause I looked at projections and it looked correct for my riding.
Problem is there's no polls per riding.
Seems to be the best site I've seen for this.
We need sites like this though.
NDP you done goofed. This is why the west don't vote for Liberal or NDP parties. They never care about us and always pander to Quebec. I'm voting Liberal anyways because at least Trudeau wants to fund us a very important skytrain line and also improve our infrastructure in general. My current riding in Vancouver is leaning Liberals so I am sticking to that. I have always voted Liberal and was close to voting NDP this time because of my desire to vote out Harper. Howeve, this is simply unacceptable.
I though people usually vote the party, unless it is someone famous.
It looks like the NDP won't adhere to the TPP also.
http://linkis.com/theglobeandmail.com/voy9C
http://linkis.com/theglobeandmail.com/voy9C
I don't think you can do that? Even if Harper lost the election, he can sign crap as long as he is the PM.
CitizenVectron
Member
Yes and no. They can sign, but you still need to vote the trade agreement into law within Parliament. A new government can refuse to adopt the law, thus abandoning it.
Yes.
And if you really think about it, Harper's most awful policies and scandals don't affect the life of 95% of the population in any tangible way.
C-51, C-26, the secrecy, the fair election act, the omnibus bills, the F-35 fiasco, the spending scandal, the ridiculous criminal legislation, the CBC cuts, etc. They have very little effect on our day-to-day life.
The only exception is the employment insurance reform and you can see it by the score of CPC in the Atlantic provinces.
gutter_trash
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the biggest funny part of this election is that it hangs in the balance of a TVA debate LOL .
a PKP owned network with Brian Mulroney in the board of directors of the company
a PKP owned network with Brian Mulroney in the board of directors of the company
dragonfart28
Banned
debate link plz
LordAmused
Member
Justin Trudeau started off great!
AuthenticM
Member
I want to punch Harper in the face so hard. Just look at his fucking shit-eating grin when Duceppe in talking.
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