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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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It looks like the NDP won't adhere to the TPP also.
http://linkis.com/theglobeandmail.com/voy9C

It's their Hail Mary at this point. Back in July, when they were in first place in the polls, their trade critic was saying this:

“I can’t think of a more foolish position [to take] on an important matter like a trade agreement than to pronounce on an agreement before it is completed,” Mr. Davies maintained. In any event, he considered it highly unlikely the NDP would be ready to take a position on the TPP until after the election, because the party would first want to engage in broad consultation.

Now that they need to do everything they can to hold on to their Quebec seats, they're suddenly willing to forgo consultation in favour of protecting the dairy farmers.

Harper pulled off plenty when he had a minority. There's very little difference, really. He just rams everything through as a confidence vote knowing that voters will blame the opposition party who votes it down if it results in an election. And it works because our democracy is basically no longer functional. Especially if the bloc comes back.

One thing I'll never understand about the general Canadian mindset is that too much voting is a bad thing. I remember hearing that constantly from 2004 to 2011, when people would complain that they didn't want elections and just wanted to be left alone. I can't imagine there's anywhere else in the world where people are so hostile to the very concept of elections.

I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat for a second because this move doesn't make any sense and could lead to a significant shift in the political landscape.

Mulcair is solidifying his support in Quebec and trying to get swing voters elsewhere to give us a Liberal minority.

He knows a Conservative minority would likely put us back into another election in short order, but a Liberal minority would supplant Harper.

I think you're giving them way too much credit. Their focus right now is holding on to their Quebec seats, even if it costs them elsewhere. That's why Mulcair has been so silent on the issue of his candidates issuing press releases -- through their national HQ -- saying they're against the niqab.

Besides, can you really imagine he'd be okay with Trudeau as PM? On a personal level, there's so much more animosity between the two than there is between him and Harper. Politically, it pushes the NDP back into third party status, and that's contrary to everything they've been trying to do for the last decade-plus.

What is the endgame for the niqab dogwhistling? It doesn't seem to be helping the Conservatives much outside Quebec, and inside even if they "surge" they'll get hardly any seats.

Is it just to bring back the Bloc? I mean if the Conservatives can win a minority with the Bloc holding the balance of power it'll be a lot harder for the other parties to justify a coalition.

Same thing as everything else they do: winning a few extra votes. Like everything else the Conservatives have done in the last ten years, it's been done with the calculation of how it helps them motivate their core base. They know that making their voters terrified of a multicultural future is an easy way of getting those voters out on election day, so that's what they'll do.

It looks like Ontario is going to gift Harper a majority, again. I hope Muclair self implode next week (because it doesn't look likely the other two will). A 50-25-25 split in Ontario means Harper for 4 years.

Huh? It's not going to be a 50-25-25 split in Ontario. More likely it'll be something like 40-40-20. The NDP is pretty much dead in this province outside of downtown Toronto and a couple of scattered ridings.

We've known since the start of the election that the Liberal party has a woefully inefficient vote when compared to the NDP. Essentially too much of their support is concentrated in too few of areas. They're strong in Ontario, Montreal and Atlantic Canada, but too weak in other areas. In contrast from the 2011 results the NDP was #2 in the most amount of ridings, so they're competitive in the most amount of ridings. Of the two parties the NDP is competitive in the most amount of ridings and has the most room to grow.

I don't think it works like you're describing. Depending on how this election turns out, you may have to view 2011 as a weird outlier, caused by the worst Liberal campaign ever.

Plus, just look at how far they've come in the last eight weeks: at the start of this campaign, the Liberals looked dead outside of Atlantic Canada. Then it was Atlantic Canada and Ontario. Now it's Atlantic Canada, Ontario, Montreal and good chunks of Vancouver and Winnipeg. Meanwhile, the NDP have seen their ceiling get lower and lower and lower. Yes, they did better in 2011, so they're starting off from a better place, but things can change, occasionally very rapidly.

And an RCMP anti-Muslim tipline? At some point, I hope that CPC voters realize their leaders think they're all idiots.
 

Walpurgis

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Holy Christ is this Conservative Party for fucking real?
The Conservatives have always been racist but they've recently dropped all pretenses and have basically stopped trying to hide it. I've never seen them like this before. This one really crosses the line because it encourages vigilantism and the kinds of attacks that pregnant Quebec woman experienced the other day.
So apparently the NDP doesn't want my vote anymore...
Pretty pathetic. I don't really care about Quebec but this doesn't help the feeling of neglect that I have living in the prairies. It would be nice if they promised something nice for us once in a while (like money for a subway). I guess that special snowflake treatment might play well with the nationalists but I'm not sure if it's enough to overcome the BQ.
And looks like the NDP is pledging to strengthen Elections Canada and punish voting interference if they are elected.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp...rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It looks like the NDP won't adhere to the TPP also.
http://linkis.com/theglobeandmail.com/voy9C

That's my NDP. It's too late though. :/
 
Huh? It's not going to be a 50-25-25 split in Ontario. More likely it'll be something like 40-40-20. The NDP is pretty much dead in this province outside of downtown Toronto and a couple of scattered ridings.

i'm just hoping two of those scattered ridings are in Hamilton at this point (because their incumbent MPs over there are p good)
 

Vamphuntr

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I don't like the fact that they keep attacking opponents that is not even their face off opponent. What's the point of a face off then?
 
We need Duceppe in all debates and let him speak French.

This guy takes Harper to task.


Also, props to Trudeau on the body language tonight. He's learned to have a confident grin when someone else is talking without going into creepy territory.
 

Vamphuntr

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On healthcare transfers from the federal Harper got backed against the wall. All 3 were clearly against him. Is it true that the Conference Board of Canada predicts that provinces will go bankrupt while Canada will be able to get rid of it's debt by reducing healthcare transfer? Population is aging quickly while Harper is being cheap.
 

Vamphuntr

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Mulcair got burned by Duceppe. When Harper gave the contracts to build frigates to companies in BC and when Harper gave funding to build the hydro electricity network in Newfoundland you said it was a great day for Canada while Quebecoiss had to pay themselves for their hydro network. You're not the best to defend QC interest.
 

Tiktaalik

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I don't think it works like you're describing. Depending on how this election turns out, you may have to view 2011 as a weird outlier, caused by the worst Liberal campaign ever.

Plus, just look at how far they've come in the last eight weeks: at the start of this campaign, the Liberals looked dead outside of Atlantic Canada. Then it was Atlantic Canada and Ontario. Now it's Atlantic Canada, Ontario, Montreal and good chunks of Vancouver and Winnipeg. Meanwhile, the NDP have seen their ceiling get lower and lower and lower. Yes, they did better in 2011, so they're starting off from a better place, but things can change, occasionally very rapidly.

You need to have a closer read at the blog post I linked. If the Libs win every single contest they're in contention in they still lose the campaign. Essentially for the Liberals to win a minority government they need to win ridings that they've never previously been in contention to win. Obviously that can happen in a campaign (see: Orange Wave) but that's really, really hard to do and it is quite unusual.

This doesn't mean that the Liberals can't win a minority government, just that the deck is stacked against them, and it will be challenging. The NDP have always had the hypothetically easier path to government. Obviously with momentum against them, and them throwing hail mary passes, it's not going to work out for them this time.
 
You need to have a closer read at the blog post I linked. If the Libs win every single contest they're in contention in they still lose the campaign. Essentially for the Liberals to win a minority government they need to win ridings that they've never previously been in contention to win. Obviously that can happen in a campaign (see: Orange Wave) but that's really, really hard to do and it is quite unusual.

This doesn't mean that the Liberals can't win a minority government, just that the deck is stacked against them, and it will be challenging. The NDP have always had the hypothetically easier path to government. Obviously with momentum against them, and them throwing hail mary passes, it's not going to work out for them this time.

I'm not denying it's challenging -- jumping from third to first isn't easy. But I think that using 2011 as a baseline may misrepresent things, since it's too early to tell if that election signalled an actual shift, or if it was merely a blip.

That said, I agree to the extent that the Liberals neglect of riding-level organization makes coming back much, much more difficult. Trudeau identified it was a major issue and he's done a lot to rebuild (or, in more cases, build) at that level, but it's not an easy task.


I can't believe I'm missing this last debate! I'm in Vancouver for the day, and I can't figure out where to catch it on TV. But on the upside, I get to see that sexy, sexy Trudeau BC commercial.
 

Vamphuntr

Member
"Si ya une chose qu'on connait c'est de s'occuper du monde en cas de froid" Mulcair on sending troops and humanitarian aid for the ISIS conflict. hahaha WTF
 
Trudeau's weakest issue is the ISIS mission. it's the issue that makes me cringe when he talks about Peace Keepers

how can you Keep the peace in land of chaos and blood?
 

Kifimbo

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Hahaha, Duceppe making the Daily Mail (UK).

Which is banned here.

OTTAWA, Oct 2 (Reuters) - One of the world's most famous central bank chiefs, Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, briefly became the late American actor Art Carney during a Canadian election debate on Friday.

Gilles Duceppe, leader of the separatist Bloc Quebecois party, referred twice to "Art Carney" alluding to corporations sitting on cash piles.

It took Liberal leader Justin Trudeau to let him know he must have been speaking about Mark Carney, who used to head the Bank of Canada and now is at the Bank of England.

Art Carney co-starred with Jackie Gleason in the comedy "The Honeymooners." (Reporting by Randall Palmer; Editing by Lisa Shumaker)
 
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