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[maharg]

lol

That's kind of dictatorial.

gutter pretty much believes the Liberals should win forever, no matter what they do. This is not shocking.

Supreme Court disagrees.

Actually, it didn't. The supreme court did not define what a clear majority meant. In a fitting irony, neither did the Clarity Act. What the supereme court said was that Parliament would have to enter into negotiations if Quebecers expressed a clear will to leave confederation. The Clarity Act aims along the opposite line, declaring that Parliament should not enter into negotiations unless they did so. The Clarity Act also makes it so that the decision on the threshold can be made after such a referendum, which is actually pretty fucking absurd.

 

[NetMapel]

I just voted yesterday. I really recommend that you guys who aren't available on election day to go to any election office now. You can cast your vote at all your local Election Canada office. I won't be able to vote in the designated spot on the day of the election or the advanced polling dates. So I just went to the local election office with my ID and casted my vote. Guys, please go out and vote ! It's very easy

 

[gutter_trash]

gutter pretty much believes the Liberals should win forever, no matter what they do. This is not shocking.

Natural Governing something something

lol

That's kind of dictatorial.

in time, none of that will matter anymore because demographics will replace the aging Baby Boomers and their antiquated obsessions and it will put the subject laid to rest

 

[Deleted member 126221]

This meme is getting tired. Why not switch things up a bit?

Montreal would likely immediately split off to join Ontario, or form its own province within Canada, that region would extend to form a land-bridge between Ontario and the Maritimes. Canada would want to maintain a land-border to the Maritimes or Labrador, and can justify it using the numbers in the last referendum. Montreal will likely join the Maritimes or Ontario, or split into a new Province within Canada.

This is simply ridiculous.

at that point they would probably just opt for negotiating more independence within Canada

If Canada was a true confederation where provinces have a lot of autonomy to do what they want, I can assure you the independentist sentiment would be a lot weaker.

Supreme Court disagrees.

In an hypothetical scenario where 50%+1 of the population vote in favor of Quebec's independence, I can assure you Supreme Court saying "no" would not be the last word of the story.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

What's wrong with this site?

Extreme bias. I don't really trust their site on anything political.

Edit: Can we not do the gutter derail again?

 

[gutter_trash]

I agree, lets get back on track on what matters:

Folks! Remember Early Voting is Open On Friday until Monday!!

Eat Thanksgiving turkey and convince your family members to mercerize their right to vote even if they for Election Day

if you have a Mom or Pop who needs a lift, be a good boy or girl and help your parents and give them a ride

 

[Silexx]

gutter pretty much believes the Liberals should win forever, no matter what they do. This is not shocking.



Actually, it didn't. The supreme court did not define what a clear majority meant. In a fitting irony, neither did the Clarity Act. What the supereme court said was that Parliament would have to enter into negotiations if Quebecers expressed a clear will to leave confederation. The Clarity Act aims along the opposite line, declaring that Parliament should not enter into negotiations unless they did so. The Clarity Act also makes it so that the decision on the threshold can be made after such a referendum, which is actually pretty fucking absurd.

Uh, you just kinda proved my point there.

 

[Mailbox]

My uni has early voting until the end of today 8pm. My class ends at 5:20, so I'll do it after that.

If I can't I'll just do it on Election Day

 

[maharg]

Uh, you just kinda proved my point there.

Hm. Ok, I think I misunderstood. You were saying that the supreme court disagreed that it could happen unilaterally, which is true (though in this area of international law it's basically just true until it's not). I thought you were saying the supreme court disagreed with 50%+1, which is a common claim.

 

[CitizenVectron]

This meme is getting tired. Why not switch things up a bit?

This is simply ridiculous.

No, it's not really. In the 1995 referendum the First Nations and Inuit voted to stay in Canada (in their own referendum) should Quebec separate since their treaties are with the Queen (and hence Canada), not Quebec. If Canada is divisible, then so is Quebec, and I guarantee Montreal would vote to rejoin Canada.

 

[dragonfart28]

People say we shouldn't talk about the niqab.

If anything, talking about Quebec separating is the biggest waste of time.

 

[Silexx]

Ekos has Liberals taking the lead nationally AND in Quebec.

http://ipolitics.ca/hcn/the-ekos-poll/

 

[jstripes]

Yes. This is very true. Laying blame on the older generation is just a bunch of ageist nonsense.
Boomers are from the hippy generation and continue to have very liberal ideals.

You're forgetting that hippies transformed into yuppies en masse in the '80s.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Sometimes when I look at the state of rural Québec, I'm OK with Montreal separating from Québec. Maybe Montreal can become its own independent city-state! xD

Oh boy, creepy cultism again.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Actual riding level polling in Ottawa-area:

If you're in Kanata/Barrhaven and planning on voting Green/NDP you might want to consider voting strategically for the Liberals.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Those are some nice sample sizes too. 600 for one riding compared to 40 for a whole province with some national surveys.

 

[CitizenVectron]

New leger info for Quebec: https://twitter.com/kady/status/652233806406156288

LPC - 28
NDP - 28
BQ - 23
CPC - 20

National:

LPC - 34
CPC - 30
NDP - 25

 

[jstripes]

New leger info for Quebec: https://twitter.com/kady/status/652233806406156288

LPC - 28
NDP - 28
BQ - 23
CPC - 20

Well. That's certainly something. A remarkable turnaround.

 

[CitizenVectron]

Boosting LPC numbers in Quebec doesn't really help them too much though, past 25%. Their numbers are so tightly placed geographically that they can win the popular vote and still come in 2nd or 3rd provincially. Chretien won the popular vote in Quebec in 2000 and was just 1% behind in 1997, but the Bloc won the most seats.

 

[Heshinsi]

They'll say it was done to protect the great population of Canada and 40% of the populace will eat it up and bow to their protector.

You mean 24% of the populace. Let's not inflate their cheer leading squad higher than it actually is.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Not even sure why you keep arguing about the Quebec separation thing. Even the PQ doesn't want to do it. They keep trying to come up with measures about identity but are terrified to hold a 3rd referendum. They keep saying they will do it to keep their hardcore base happy but that's it. If you think PKP will be the one to do it I have some bad news for you...

Their problem is that they never really had a solid plan or the financial resources to do it. People won't follow you if you make their situation worse. They have a lot of ideologists in their rank that think that simply making a country will solve everything. It won't make our healthcare system for the better for sure. It won't help solve the challenge our educational system is facing nor find a solution to our overgrowing debt. I'm all for it if they sell it to me but so far they have nothing. How are they going to find even more fund to pay for defense, borders protection, a postal system, federal controlled penitentiaries and so on. They keep talking about keep the CDN dollar while there is the Queen of England on the 20$ bill which they despise.

If they find a great and smart leader that has concrete and powerful solutions to find the province for the better I will believe in the possibility but PKP isn't that leader.

Or

If the next PM piss us off so bad with an event as bad as Meech or the ratification of the Constitution then maybe revenge voting will work it's magic this time.

 

[Sean C]

Boosting LPC numbers in Quebec doesn't really help them too much though, past 25%. Their numbers are so tightly placed geographically that they can win the popular vote and still come in 2nd or 3rd provincially. Chretien won the popular vote in Quebec in 2000 and was just 1% behind in 1997, but the Bloc won the most seats.

I'm not expecting them to win the most seats or anything, but the electoral game in Quebec is rather different from what it was in 1997-2000, what with there being four major parties in the game in Quebec instead of two (in 2000, the Liberals and the Bloc between them had over 80% of the vote in the province). We could be in for some very interesting vote splits on a riding level.

 

[CitizenVectron]

What's the general feeling about Justin Trudeau in Quebec among francophones? Any strong opinions? If they are voting NDP or BQ, do they dislike Trudeau or just more neutral on him? Or is it more an anti-Liberal/federalist thing?

 

[Sean C]

What's the general feeling about Justin Trudeau in Quebec among francophones? Any strong opinions? If they are voting NDP or BQ, do they dislike Trudeau or just more neutral on him? Or is it more an anti-Liberal/federalist thing?

I'm not a Francophone (obviously), but from what I've read there's a lot of people who see him more as a "Montrealer" than a Quebecker. And, obviously, the uber-nationalists get a raging hate-boner at the mere mention of his last name, but those people were never going to vote Liberal anyway.

Though Trudeau's personal approvals have been climbing everywhere, so perhaps he's winning 'em over there more too. People like a guy who looks like a winner.

 

[lamaroo]

I think all of those Conservative attack ads have made Trudeau seem more sincere than the others. He feels like less of a politician, and people like that.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

What's the general feeling about Justin Trudeau in Quebec among francophones? Any strong opinions? If they are voting NDP or BQ, do they dislike Trudeau or just more neutral on him? Or is it more an anti-Liberal/federalist thing?

Don't care for him, but I'd still take him over Harper any day, obviously.

I don't see him as any "less of a politician" whatsoever, though. I don't know where this comes from. On the contrary.

 

[gutter_trash]

I am really surprised at those Liberal numbers in Quebec. The Liberal brand took a bad beating in the aftermath of the Sponsorship Scandal

Maybe Justin is hitting the right buttons and keeping clear from being confrontational or antagonistic

Don't care for him, but I'd still take him over Harper any day, obviously.

I don't see him as any "less of a politician" whatsoever, though. I don't know where this comes from. On the contrary.

that is the gist of many Francophones that I talk to, but there are some (small number) who are ready to vote for him as an anti-Harper vote.

 

[Azzanadra]

Don't care for him, but I'd still take him over Harper any day, obviously.

I don't see him as any "less of a politician" whatsoever, though. I don't know where this comes from. On the contrary.

Speaking of "being a politician", a lot of people, even NDP lifers, seem to agree that Tom is the definition of that. Is there any truth to this, and if it is, what are some clear instances?

 

[Annubis]

Every francophone I know follows the Anyone But Harper philosophy.
Trudeau is one of those 'anyone'.

 

[gutter_trash]

Speaking of "being a politician", a lot of people, even NDP lifers, seem to agree that Tom is the definition of that. Is there any truth to this, and if it is, what are some clear instances?

Ed Broadbent's silence speaks louder than words.

This is the first time Ed has been quiet during a Federal campaign. Thomas was not Ed's choice (Topp was).

 

[UberTag]

Every francophone I know follows the Anyone But Harper philosophy.
Trudeau is one of those 'anyone'.

I would vote for an Inanimate Carbon Rod over Harper.
I employ the term "anyone" rather loosely.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I would vote for an Inanimate Carbon Rod over Harper.

An inanimate carbon rod still has too much humanity to work in this comparison.

 

[BigJonsson]

In rod we trust

 

[dragonfart28]

Every francophone I know follows the Anyone But Harper philosophy.
Trudeau is one of those 'anyone'.

That's what this is about.

The ones that aren't falling for the niqab trick realize they have to go Liberal in certain ridings.

It's the same as everywhere else in the country.

Most people who like NDP are willing to switch to Liberal and vice versa. It was just waiting for who would break first this close to election.

It's just a shame it couldn't go the direction of the better party of the two.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

That's what this is about.

The ones that aren't falling for the niqab trick realize they have to go Liberal in certain ridings.

It's the same as everywhere else in the country.

Most people who like NDP are willing to switch to Liberal and vice versa. It was just waiting for who would break first this close to election.

It's just a shame it couldn't go the direction of the better party of the two.

You can blame Mulcair for playing it safe early on.

If Layton were still here the NDP would probably be pushing for a majority right now.

 

[Walpurgis]

You can blame Mulcair for playing it safe early on.

If Layton were still here the NDP would probably be pushing for a majority right now.

I think so too. Too bad about Mulcair. I read about the inner party conflict a while ago. Like gutter said, Edward Broadbent wanted Brian Topp as party leader. I wonder how different things would be if that happened.

 

[Silexx]

You can blame Mulcair for playing it safe early on.

If Layton were still here the NDP would probably be pushing for a majority right now.

Oh really? Tell me what side of the niqab issue Layton would have taken then?

 

[Sean C]

Speaking of "being a politician", a lot of people, even NDP lifers, seem to agree that Tom is the definition of that. Is there any truth to this, and if it is, what are some clear instances?

Well, he flirted with running for the Tories in the past, and he has significantly toned-down the NDP's platform in pursuit of power.

Now, the latter, in particular, was probably a good political idea when it was first determined as the course (and Jack Layton was doing the same thing before he died), even if it didn't work. But for a lot of the NDP's core vote, the knives will be out if their pragmatic decision to move to the center doesn't lead to the payoff that pragmatism is meant to have.

 

[Walpurgis]

Let's not forget about C-51. Trudeau is also a "politician".

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Oh really? Tell me what side of the niqab issue Layton would have taken then?

Well I think Layton was way more likeable regardless if their positions are the same.

 

[gutter_trash]

I think so too. Too bad about Mulcair. I read about the inner party conflict a while ago. Like gutter said, Edward Broadbent wanted Brian Topp as party leader. I wonder how different things would be if that happened.

Ed wanted Topp, Topp's French is weak.
The NDP decided to go with a bilingual candidate regardless if he was a socio-democrat or not to keep Quebec.

The NDP chose a bilingual centrist who wasn't a socio-democrat to lead a socio-democratic party.

Now they facing the consequence of trying the Tony Blair approach of moving a Left wing party towards the Center when in Canada there already exists a Centrist party.

like i said, Mulcair is the only Federal party leader who's political alignment does not match the party he leads.

 

[Silexx]

Well I think Layton was way more likeable regardless if their positions are the same.

I think you overestimate Layton's appeal. Or at the very least, don't take into consideration that Layton wouldn't be above taking a position that would be politically expedient in order to retain his support in Quebec.

 

[Walpurgis]

Ed wanted Topp, Topp's French is weak.
The NDP decided to go with a bilingual candidate regardless if he was a socio-democrat or not to keep Quebec.

The NDP chose a bilingual centrist who wasn't a socio-democrat to lead a socio-democratic party.

Now they facing the consequence of trying the Tony Blair approach of moving a Left wing party towards the Center when in Canada there already exists a Centrist party.

like i said, Mulcair is the only Federal party leader who's political alignment does not match the party he leads.

Which is why I want him removed and replaced. The centrist strategy has failed so Mulcair isn't needed anymore. I want the NDP to have someone like Elizabeth May as leader.

 

[Sean C]

Let's not forget about C-51. Trudeau is also a "politician".

I never said otherwise.

Now they facing the consequence of trying the Tony Blair approach of moving a Left wing party towards the Center when in Canada there already exists a Centrist party.

Well, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Part of it is Trudeau's charisma, and another part is the niqab nonsense -- and on that point, Mulcair's position is the exact opposite of what a "politician" would do, in that he stuck to an unpopular position.

 

[Mailbox]

Just voted at my uni.
NDP.

The fact that we had to use pencil felt weird though.

 

[gutter_trash]

Just voted at my uni.
NDP.

The fact that we had to use pencil felt weird though.

ah! first time voter! congratulations

we always used pencils!

I always make a thick X-Men like X inside the circle

 

[Walpurgis]

I wonder how the CPC will cheat this election.

 

[Mailbox]

ah! first time voter! congratulations

we always used pencils!

I always make a thick X-Men like X inside the circle

Since i did it at my uni (which allows for all ridings in Canada), no circles to cross.

I had to write my candidates name on a slip. I understand why it was different (can't have tons of ballots for all 308 ridings), but it made the pencil usage extra weird.

I wonder how the CPC will cheat this election.

If last election is any indication....

How did Harper get away with the robocall thing again?

 

[Sean C]

I got polled by EKOS tonight. Though it was one of those automatic caller things, and I'm not sure it worked right. Whatever.

 

[UberTag]

I wonder how the CPC will cheat this election.

Elections Canada screens the people counting votes in the battleground sites, right? We won't be seeing any of this hanging chad funny business, I trust.