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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Mr. Giggles
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Ditto, I was salty over his backing of bill C51 but let's see if he makes good on his words for amendments
Simon Belmont
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Are other polls starting to show what Nanos was showing?
PumpkinSpice
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The Liberal rise / NDP collapse, yes. They're not showing Liberals on top yet. It might just be down to different methodology.
New Andrew Coyne article up, and it is fantastic writing like his last column on the niqab issue: http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...on-muslim-question-about-nervousness-not-fear
A choice quote:
A choice quote:
User 479360
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I like the Liberal candidate in my riding.
How truthful is the Conservatives' attack ad about the Liberals wanting to take an extra $1000 out of folks' paycheques per year?
How truthful is the Conservatives' attack ad about the Liberals wanting to take an extra $1000 out of folks' paycheques per year?
Not accurate at all.
eBay Huckster
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much like just about (if not actually) all of their attack ads, not even remotely truthful
lol. I just received that one earlier. Threw it at the garbage bin.
Mr. Giggles
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Just to confirm the colours on the chart on left are the party as those on the right?!
TheRealTalker
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More bullshit from the Cons. Their ads are so misleading. This shit should be illegal. So many lies just like that balanced budget commercial.
matthewwhatever
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Leger, Nanos and Innovative have the Liberals on top, while Ekos, Ipsos and one or two others have the Conservatives on top. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm curious for the new Forum poll tomorrow morning -- they're unreliable, but if even they show a margin of error tie, then everyone will have converged on roughly the same results.
Nope, no more debates, unfortunately.
Except Conservative voters have been conditioned to ignore the media -- so even if the media had been harsher towards the CPC, the people who vote Conservative would've just viewed it as another attack by the "biased" media.
killer rin
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Complete and utter bullshit, if anything.
At the very least it would have hit the soft Conservative swing voters.
TheRealTalker
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Rick Mercer Report: Rick Rants about the Election
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3mb6KdV90Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3mb6KdV90Y
Know what? More I think about it, more I believe that the Conservatives continuing to make the niqab the front and centre of the issues is going to backfire. I mean they're basically shoving the TPP deal to the side in favour of the niqab debate. The TPP should be a win for them, but no one is really talking about it because we're all focused on women's head gear.
Call me an optimist, but I think when crunch time comes, Canadians will decides to don't really care all that much about the niqab and will decide that they want a change of government.
Call me an optimist, but I think when crunch time comes, Canadians will decides to don't really care all that much about the niqab and will decide that they want a change of government.
UberTag
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UberTag
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This is a smart man. Shame he's not running for office.
gutter_trash
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Harper = Marois confrimed
There's a potential of the issue backfiring on them hard in quebec. The bloc has also tried to shove the issue down quebecers throats a bit in quebec mostly in debates and advertisements and their poll numbers really haven't improved to levels beyond their 2011 poll numbers, but actually worse than 2011. The potential also exists in other parts for the CPC to get hurt by focusing on the niqab issue to.
Also gutter_trash I wouldn't be surprised if harper pulled a marois and did not win this election because he pushed identity/racial issues like marois a bit to much.He just needs to make enough people anger with what he is doing with the niqab and other racial/identity issues in this election now.
That's some sweet Rick (of Rick & Morty fame) graffiti.
Referencing the worst episode, though.
If you find that bad, avoid this Facebook group called "Stephen Harper going away party". The amount of Conservative spinning in there and and the amount of racist posts by Harper supporters... I didn't think Canada had fallen that far :/
The sooner Harper is booted out, the better.
UberTag
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CBC and The Star sure seem to think so.
The Libs are "further left" than the NDP only if we're only judging left wingness by the one dimensional stereotype that the difference between left wing and right wing parties is that left wing parties spend more.
A great deal of the Liberal platform is simply an extension of what the Conservatives are already doing right now (ie. tax breaks for families with children, infrastructure spending), with the difference simply being that the Liberals are willing to spend more money.
At a glance the Liberals seem more left wing because Trudeau has cranked the change rhetoric to 11, whereas Mulcair deemphasized the progressive elements of his platform for much of the campaign, and talked about his experience, being a careful steward of the economy, "long term" change and other uninspiring things.
There are some good ideas that I support in the Liberal platform, and if they are able to form government I hope they'll implement them, but I would not be surprised at all if upon forming government they renege on much of what they've promised and swing back right like every other Liberal party ever.
MyAbsolution
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Wow yeah I saw some friends join this group and holy hell its a cesspool... AVOID at all costs.
Too late
matthewwhatever
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Yeah, I saw a few of my friends joining that. So I peeked to view some of the comments. Yikes.
gutter_trash
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Thanksgiving, Canadians will gather with their families and have arguments and discussion about the party leaders and the campaign, I think Harper support is going to drop on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving
gutter_trash
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Yes, even more so now than two months ago.
Marc Garneau is a Canadian hero and is pro-science. The guy is really inteligient
I just woke up and didn't have time to fully process this story, but ugh: www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nation...icle26713562/?click=sf_globefb&service=mobile Apparently the PMO and possibly the PM himself directly interfered with refugee processing.
dragonfart28
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Yes, even more so now than two months ago.
Marc Garneau is a Canadian hero and is pro-science. The guy is really inteligient
I wish he was leading instead of Trudeau.
They'll say it was done to protect the great population of Canada and 40% of the populace will eat it up and bow to their protector.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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Another day, another instance where the Harper government leaves me appalled and disillusioned... It's become routine...
Is there any historical data or specific change that pushed Canada to this way? We were always considered a "progressive" nation and more to the left than our friends in the south, but it seems our "good guy" identity at the international level is non-existent. We all now this of course, but what the hell happened these past eight years of Harper's rule?
FPTP + Merge of the right + Split of the center-left vote among 3 parties + Hundreds of million in ads to shape perception + "Difficult" times in the western world Re: economy/security + Most of the population don't care much about the things we get outraged about in this thread
The PC-Alliance merger was probably one of the worst things that could have happened to Canadian democracy.
I honestly would love a legitimate fiscally Conservative/socially Liberal option when voting, and I don't understand why such a party does not exist.
But you were just fine with the 15 years of results prior to 2006 in which the BQ got way more seats than they deserved making it seem like way more people supported a separatist party in Quebec than actually did and your party, the PCs, one of the founding parties of Canada, got destroyed because their share of support was broadly Pan Canadian and it took a million votes of your PC votes to get one seat leading to your party being absorbed by Stephen Harper and Reform?
It's not a matter of your preferred point of view not getting its way. That's true for any democratic system (Folks who don't like Angela Merkel under German MMP have been sad for pretty much a decade straight now) . It's a matter of Canadians in many ridings not having any real choice of who to vote for (remains true under AV) and us as a nation, in the only times that we actually engage with each other as a federation, viewing each other through the incredibly distorted lens of incredibly disproportional election results (also remains true under AV).
And the idea that parties have to hug the middle to be successful under AV and FPTP is nonsense. You don't need to hug the middle. You have to play to regional sentiment to be successful under AV and FPTP. The Liberals owned Ontario during their successful years. The BQ with Quebec and Refrom/CPC obviously working off a strong base in the West. The NDP is where it is today because they took the BQ's Quebec base. FPTP and AV reward divisive regionalism not commonly held values. They discourage cooperation in Parliament and incentivize partisan hackery because the rules of the game state that you get above 36% or so of the votes and you have a grand chance of winning full power if the opposition is even somewhat splintered. These are facts.
That's literally the Liberal party of the 90s and early 2000s. edit: I would say that the current Liberal party would lean fiscal conservative once the good times are back too.
The PCs (Exactly what you seem to want) and Reform screeched and clawed at each other allowing Liberals to win consecutive majority governments with 44% or less vote (one with less than 39% of the vote) and so the PCs voted to be absorbed by Reform and here we are with the shoe on the other foot. It comes back to the voting system.
Honestly the bad blood between the Liberals and the NDP is nothing compared to how fractured and splintered the Fiscal right was in Canada. Disproportional winner take all systems like FPTP and AV force politics towards two party states. In a country as large and low density as Canada the only way for voters to hit back if they're not happy with the two main parties is through a regional revolt party.
CitizenVectron
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That Forum poll shows the Liberals in 1st place in the prairies...I would take that with a planet of salt. There is no way that's true.
Simon Belmont
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Poll tracker has the Libs winning right now, for whatever that's worth.
Perfect Blue
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NeoGAF: BELIEVE
Yup, was just going to say that. Pretty cool!
CitizenVectron
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The unfortunate reality of this election is that the polls with live callers are small samples and the automated/internet ones have large samples. We really need regular large-sample polls using live callers (in specific regions) to know where the election is headed.
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