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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015

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Walpurgis

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nobody taking up my plea to help me with an Eat Crow image?

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Arthrus

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Even the commentators on CBC Radio are shocked. This is so exciting! I love following free elections.

As an ignorant American, would it be fair to generalize the seeming Conservative failure in this election as largely tied to OPEC flooding the market and fucking the oil business that so many Canadians depend on?

Economic hardships due to over-dependence on oil and gas commodities are a part of it, but the Conservative government has been the subject of numerous scandals and a routine source of questionable legislation. Many feel they don't represent traditional Canadian attitudes/values. I'm a bit short on time or I'd elaborate properly with a better post. Maybe someone else can give you a more detailed answer.
 
Everybody I know here in the Maritimes hates harper. People that don't normally care or talk politics go on none stop about getting rid of him and pushing their friends to vote. Even my conservative friends don't like him.
 

UberTag

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CTV declares Megan Leslie defeated.
It's nice to see the Liberals so strong but it's unfortunate to see star NDP candidates decimated in this crunch.
If anything, they needed the Liberals to be polling stronger nationally so people wouldn't feel they needed to kick them to the curb in order to ensure Harper's defeat.
 
Even the commentators on CBC Radio are shocked. This is so exciting! I love following free elections.

As an ignorant American, would it be fair to generalize the seeming Conservative failure in this election as largely tied to OPEC flooding the market and fucking the oil business that so many Canadians depend on?
it starts with that but the turning part was really when the Libs became a viable pro-economy option (namely, to run deficits to create stimulus).

there's always been a social element to this campaign but there was still an underlying feeling that people had to choose between social and political interests or economic interest

the Libs announced a economic platform that I think really made them as much of a pro-economy candidate as anything else... that's when they really started to match the Cons on the economy and steal a lot of votes from the NPD -- they basically came together to offer something attractive in every social, political, and economic avenue... so I think some folks that felt they had to vote for NDP or Cons for just one could instead vote for the Libs for both. and that packaging also gave the Libs leadership. I think that stand Trudeau took to run deficits actually made him look ready and like a leader. it showed him as someone willing to take action and made both other candidates look as inactive, lethargic

anecdotally, I know very capitalist pro-economy typically-Conservative folks voting for Libs based purely on the Lib platforming having, what, $40 billion a year in debt stimulus (vs Cons spending only $5b or so) (combined with no hard corp tax rate increase) because they feel the economy needs it.
 

Dr.Acula

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Even the commentators on CBC Radio are shocked. This is so exciting! I love following free elections.

As an ignorant American, would it be fair to generalize the seeming Conservative failure in this election as largely tied to OPEC flooding the market and fucking the oil business that so many Canadians depend on?

Pushing the petro-economy during the oil bust isn't helping. The economy being kinda crap when it's supposed to be his strength is a big factor. Don't discount the Duffy stuff and all the corruption happening in the senate -that really stung.

The Syrian kid dying on a beach didn't help, plus military involvement in Iraq. Harper's just been fucking up, really misreading the public. The Niqab debate is the latest sign of Harper just not reading the public correctly.
 

oneils

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That Atlantic Canada has faced its share of hardship was never in dispute. What was in dispute was whether or not we can translate that into shit-talking hard-working Atlantic Canadians by calling them a dressed up version of welfare bums. Harper did. So did you. It's especially hilarious considering that a few short years later Newfoundland became a net contributor to equalization around the same time Ontario became a net recipient. I didn't feel the need to hash this out because I think the burden of proof is on the asshole to justify them throwing people under the bus.

I believe we're all in this together, and shitting on Atlantic Canada is dehumanizing and a total misunderstanding of the challenges the region faces. It's naked "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". It's the very worst of Reform-Alliance-Republican thinking, it's massively incompatible with a sense of shared Canadianness, and it was recognized at the time as both wrong and disgusting by everyone else.



Cool. Hope you find happiness in life.

Well said.
 
That Atlantic Canada has faced its share of hardship was never in dispute. What was in dispute was whether or not we can translate that into shit-talking hard-working Atlantic Canadians by calling them a dressed up version of welfare bums. Harper did. So did you. It's especially hilarious considering that a few short years later Newfoundland became a net contributor to equalization around the same time Ontario became a net recipient.

I believe we're all in this together, and shitting on Atlantic Canada is dehumanizing and a total misunderstanding of the challenges the region faces. It's naked "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". It's the very worst of Reform-Alliance-Republican thinking, it's massively incompatible with a sense of shared Canadianness, and it was recognized at the time as both wrong and disgusting by everyone else.



Cool. Hope you find happiness in life.

I've never said anything about Atlantic Canada. I just said that what Harper said was harsh (and I don't support it), but not totally wrong in light of the facts/data and when benchmarking against the rest of the nation. The situation facing Atlantic Canada is not unlike what many regions in the US have faced (Rust Belt, for instance) and (some of them have) successfully overcome.


Thanks for caring about my happiness. Very happy at the moment. And even more once Trudeau passes all those outrageous tax increases through.
 
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