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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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gutter_trash
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damn, forgot about the word ''designate''Technically that prediction was wrong, Harper is PM until November 4th.
On one side you're saying they're becoming a spent force. On the other you're saying they're this deadly untrustable force.
You've noted yourself that dampening the fire is the way to approach this. Not stoking them. And people need multiple viable federalist options to vote for to not feel trapped and resentful.
gutter_trash
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A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian,
if you are a European Descent, you don't need Special Status, Special Powers or Special anything.
No European descent should ever get special status before First Nations people
epost. You don't get your own email address though, you supply your own. And it's more like an electronic mailbox, you get things like bills and statements in it. I got my paycheck pdfs through it through my old job.
Good luck getting everybody to migrate to it though. Despite it being 15 years old, it's new and therefore scary.
matthewwhatever
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I'm just opposed to community mailboxes over home delivery because of the symbolism. This is going to sound incredibly corny, but to me home delivery is living, daily proof of the government providing services for people. It's a reminder that government works right there at your house, whereas community mailboxes take it away from people's houses. I've always thought that the campaign against home delivery -- which is a staple of conservative thought in the US -- was driven in no small part because it reminded people that Reagan's line about government being the problem was nonsense. Obviously, mail is less important now than it was twenty years ago, and there's no point keeping around an obsolete institution, but...I don't know, I still get some mail, and I like the ritual and the symbolism it being there in my mailbox.
Even so, Mulcair wasn't big on subtlety:
(He also had Layton's sister on the campaign trail with him at times during the last week.)
I think Rae has been campaigning hard for the UN job. I've heard John Manley may get the US ambassadorship.
gutter_trash
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not a fan of John Manley, too much of a Red Tory or Blue Liberal type of guy
I love symbolism and I'm all for using public works to keep people who want jobs in them, but we're just plain entering a sunset period on the usefulness of this particular one. I haven't lived in a house since I was 18 (and if I ever do again it'll probably still be a multi-unit house), so I'm pretty detached from the experience of having it outside my door at this point.
And I will say there *are* places where home delivery is an essential and symbolic element of creating a sense of unity, but they aren't in cities. They're in the rural areas and up north, where other means of connectivity are still somewhat difficult. There are so many ways for us in urban and suburban areas to feel connected that home delivery just becomes yet another privilege on top of the rest.
People without access to the internet exist. I would totally dig this, but it isn't happening.
Yeah, epost but it's one of those you sign up for.
I'm talking about a mandated email address when you're born (or more likely when you get your SIN).
gutter_trash
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Canada Post is superior to FedEx or UPS because Canada Post gives you a notice to pick up your package at the closest Post Office which are way way close than far off FedEx or UPS locations in far off Industrial Parks
This does not actually exist. Everyone has access to the internet, whether direct or not. You can go to your local library or
But I say it's an opt-in solution for having your bills, government notices, etc emailed to you instead of mailed. Like it is now but instead using a non-spam email that won't change where it just accepts from approved sources.
gutter_trash
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Not everyone in Canada lives in 1st World Conditions.
you seriously have no idea what first nations communities are like do you
GuessMyUserName
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So so much this.
Well couple this with a minimum internet availability for everyone initiative. Open internet should be a human right then a privilege.
How about we start with an affordable food and potable water for everyone initiative?
This is 100% true.
I lived in an apartment high-rise, while working in a 9-5 Mon-Fri job across the city. Every single time I ordered a package and it came by courier I had to do a song and dance with the delivery guy on the phone explaining that I'm not home, locating the nearest store for that particular courier company, and somehow get there in their extremely restricted hours. Oh, and good luck if I needed to pay any additional COD border-crossing fees, as I'd have to wait at the store for the delivery guy to finish his rounds and bring it back with him.
With Canada Post, I know that I'll have a sticker telling me when I can go pick it up. And that's it. I go there, and get it.
Why did you all of sudden make my statement into a First Nations debate? You've done that twice in this thread to me already. That it's own topic. A topic that is already a platform item for the current government, with a promise to ensure clean water for all First Nations community during the current term.
This is so true. Couriers are terribly inconvenient for the average consumer. Anything that's shipped via FedEx, UPS, etc., I just get them to ship it to my work office.
IISANDERII
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That's excellent. There should be a meter for over delivered too
Because you focus on issues that are completely meaningless except to urban-centric Millennial yuppies. You insist that everyone has access to the Internet in some way without any research into whether libraries are equipped enough, prevalent enough or even close enough to the people who would need to use them. You simply have a myopic and cloistered view of Canada.
PumpkinSpice
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When I was in an apartment, UPS was such a nightmare that I completely stopped ordering from amazon. FedEx and Purolator was worse, DHL even worse still.
now that I'm in a house, UPS is pretty nice since they always "safe drop" in front of my door.
now that I'm in a house, UPS is pretty nice since they always "safe drop" in front of my door.
You Are Viewtiful
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We don't use taxes to upkeep Canada Post. It is (or was) a profitable crown corporation; and to keep it that way, we have to remove home-delivery.
I agree. I would support a for-profit crown corporation like SaskTel that provides provides phone and internet service at reasonable prices.
If you put a PO Box on your Amazon order (even some rubbish like "canadapostpls"), the computer defaults to using Canada Post.
I also prefer Canada Post because they put the package in the community box, and not the UPS facility 2 hours bus ride away
gutter_trash
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my current job says no to personally packages so i am forced to be at the mercy of these poopy private couriers.
when Amazon randomly picks Canada Post, I am happy.
when Amazon randomly picks UPS, I am not happy
As of 2011 (we'll get stats again when government brings back the long form census), 81% of Canadians live in an Urban area, 19% live in a Rural area. You have a 1950's view of our demographics.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo62a-eng.htm
So I am talking about 81% of Canadians and that percentage is going to keep going up.
Urban-centric doesn't mean urban, Tabris.
Tell me an urban area in Canada without some form of internet availability. Provide statistics to make your point.
How much do you pay for mail delivery every month?
How much do I pay to go to a library or community centre that provides internet access.
And I just made the point I think we should have a minimum internet access for all citizens direct to their homes paid for by taxes.
You didn't answer my question either.
Which is a stupid point that solves a problem that doesn't exist. The internet is not a requirement to live. Paying bills is. We already have a way of getting those bills to customers, even if they live in remote areas. Even if they can't afford Internet.
You're so hung up on your view of an all-urban vertically developed future that you think everyone's priorities are the same as yours.
85.8% of the Canadian population uses the internet.
To provide a mandated internet mail service is a solution to incredibly reduce mail delivery costs which is the subject. It's a modern solution for a modern world. Provide opt-out solutions for the 15% of the Canadian population that haven't moved to a modern world (a good chunk of that percentage will be infants so that's not applicable, applicable citizens that aren't internet users is probably closer to 10-12%).
By the way, instead of spending the effort adding personal statements towards me to your arguments, spend that adding statistics to make it a meaningful debate. If you don't want one, then don't engage.
To provide a mandated internet mail service is a solution to incredibly reduce mail delivery costs which is the subject. It's a modern solution for a modern world. Provide opt-out solutions for the 15% of the Canadian population that haven't moved to a modern world (a good chunk of that percentage will be infants so that's not applicable, applicable citizens that aren't internet users is probably closer to 10-12%).
By the way, instead of spending the effort adding personal statements towards me to your arguments, spend that adding statistics to make it a meaningful debate. If you don't want one, then don't engage.
It's not a credible argument to begin with. Mandating free internet service is a pipe dream, and the point of bringing up that there are people living in your country who deal with third-world conditions is meant to show you that there are other things that money could go towards.
They also have a parcel locker which makes Canada Post even more superior than the other two. I don't have to visit a post office to pick it up!
Then why engage with me if you don't think it's a credible argument? How is it a pipe dream - there are both communities and countries that have done this or at least helped subsidized it, so there's a track record to reference. This sounds the same as people that were Universal Healthcare naysayers or the current Universal Education naysayers.
Healthcare, Education, and Information (Internet) should be human rights. These are things that drastically improve the quality of life for people.
And you don't think free internet would provide more opportunities and provide a better quality of life to those without?
And just because First Nation communities are facing third world conditions, doesn't invalidate the seeking of Universal Healthcare, Education, and Information. That is it's own issues with it's own dynamics.
Canada Post FlexDelivery is also really convenient. You can choose to ship to a Canada Post PO box and then pick it up there.
You Are Viewtiful
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For anyone disappointed with the Sun's election day cover...
I just needed to see the word 'hell'.
I just needed to see the word 'hell'.
The government officially confirmed Harper's resignation will be on November 4th -- presumably prompted by that National Post piece from earlier today. Perhaps the use of this thread should end with the swearing-in of the new government, which would bring the election period to a close?
Semi-relatedly, since speculating about the makeup of the Cabinet is tremendously fun for me, one of the things I've been interested in about Trudeau's pledge of gender parity in Cabinet is how that's going to overlap with all the other factors.
As I said before, the overwhelming bulk of the women are going to have to come from Ontario, Quebec, and British Columbia (indeed, I think there's likely only 2 women from other provinces, which would mean 10-13 women from those three). Anyway, the Liberals' likely male MPs are overwhelmingly concentrated in the big cities (like, granted, the caucus as a whole). Now, in BC all of the female MPs elected are from Vancouver or right beside Vancouver (Jody Wilson-Raybould, Hedy Fry, Joyce Murray, Pamela Goldsmith-Jones, Carla Qualtrough). But my theory is that this state of affairs should, particularly in Ontario, somewhat favour new female MPs from outside the big cities.
In Quebec, for instance, Trudeau and the two male MPs who seem like probable inclusions (Garneau and Dion) are from Montreal/Laval proper. So is Melanie Joly, who so many have tagged as a potential future minister. Of course, Liberal strength in general is overwhelmingly concentrated in and around Montreal. Of the other female MPs in Quebec, Anju Dhillon and Eva Nassif are also from the islands, and Alexandra Mendes, Linda Lapointe, Sherry Romanado and Brenda Shanahan are all from the immediate surroundings. The furthest away are Marie-Claude Bibeau (also in the Eastern Townships, but down on the US-Canada border) and Diane Lebouthillier way out on the Gaspe Peninsula. It's a bit unfortunate that there weren't any women elected in Quebec City.
When you get to Ontario, there's a lot more regional diversity. Of the big-name male MPs (and several of the female ones) they're pretty much all from Toronto (Blair, Vaughan, Morneau, Freeland, Bennett, Duncan) or Ottawa (Leslie). Potentially then a boon to women from other parts of the province.
Semi-relatedly, since speculating about the makeup of the Cabinet is tremendously fun for me, one of the things I've been interested in about Trudeau's pledge of gender parity in Cabinet is how that's going to overlap with all the other factors.
As I said before, the overwhelming bulk of the women are going to have to come from Ontario, Quebec, and British Columbia (indeed, I think there's likely only 2 women from other provinces, which would mean 10-13 women from those three). Anyway, the Liberals' likely male MPs are overwhelmingly concentrated in the big cities (like, granted, the caucus as a whole). Now, in BC all of the female MPs elected are from Vancouver or right beside Vancouver (Jody Wilson-Raybould, Hedy Fry, Joyce Murray, Pamela Goldsmith-Jones, Carla Qualtrough). But my theory is that this state of affairs should, particularly in Ontario, somewhat favour new female MPs from outside the big cities.
In Quebec, for instance, Trudeau and the two male MPs who seem like probable inclusions (Garneau and Dion) are from Montreal/Laval proper. So is Melanie Joly, who so many have tagged as a potential future minister. Of course, Liberal strength in general is overwhelmingly concentrated in and around Montreal. Of the other female MPs in Quebec, Anju Dhillon and Eva Nassif are also from the islands, and Alexandra Mendes, Linda Lapointe, Sherry Romanado and Brenda Shanahan are all from the immediate surroundings. The furthest away are Marie-Claude Bibeau (also in the Eastern Townships, but down on the US-Canada border) and Diane Lebouthillier way out on the Gaspe Peninsula. It's a bit unfortunate that there weren't any women elected in Quebec City.
When you get to Ontario, there's a lot more regional diversity. Of the big-name male MPs (and several of the female ones) they're pretty much all from Toronto (Blair, Vaughan, Morneau, Freeland, Bennett, Duncan) or Ottawa (Leslie). Potentially then a boon to women from other parts of the province.
Ah, that's more like it.For anyone disappointed with the Sun's election day cover...
I just needed to see the word 'hell'.
gutter_trash
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Sun has been real slow latelyFor anyone disappointed with the Sun's election day cover...
I just needed to see the word 'hell'.
CitizenVectron
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Wow, what an ignorant statement. Those people are the farmers that grow your food and the miners, loggers, and oil workers that provide the materials for your city and way of life. Without that 20%, the other 80% would fall apart.
PumpkinSpice
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24 Sussex Drive should be torn down, says Maureen McTeer
"'An old, crumbling building with asbestos' does not reflect who we are as Canadians, ex PM's wife says"
The whole article is very interesting and I definitely recommend anyone in this thread that argued about 24 Sussex in the last week to read it.
"'An old, crumbling building with asbestos' does not reflect who we are as Canadians, ex PM's wife says"
The whole article is very interesting and I definitely recommend anyone in this thread that argued about 24 Sussex in the last week to read it.
That's how economics work. It feeds up and our socialist nature as a society feeds it back.
I agree with her. It's an unremarkable place that no one cares about. Burn it to the ground.
firehawk12
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See, someone who cares about this stuff even thinks it should be torn down. lol
We don't use taxes to upkeep Canada Post. It is (or was) a profitable crown corporation; and to keep it that way, we have to remove home-delivery.
I agree. I would support a for-profit crown corporation like SaskTel that provides provides phone and internet service at reasonable prices.
If you put a PO Box on your Amazon order (even some rubbish like "canadapostpls"), the computer defaults to using Canada Post.
I also prefer Canada Post because they put the package in the community box, and not the UPS facility 2 hours bus ride away
Canada Post is profitable even with home delivery. They were profitable this year. Every year that letter mail delivered goes down, parcels delivered go up to make up for it.
firehawk12
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It's like people forget how their online orders get to them. lol
They should get Mike Holmes involved and he could do a whole TV series on the project and the rebuilding of 24 Sussex... that would get a network or channel involved to help off-set some of the costs of a rebuild, and would probably generate a lot more public interest in the project, and modern construction techniques, and all that. It practically sells itself!!
I just recall Holmes and team going down to New Orleans a few years back, and how he was involved with a rebuild after Katrina, which was rather interesting.
They should get the Property Brothers to do it. They are the most popular home Reno guys on TV, they could make it a 6 part special, and get TLC to pay for the whole renovation.
Unfortunately this is the government we are talking about, they'd probably not want to do this for fear of endorsing one business over another. I guess they could create a bidding process for which tv staton will pay for the renovations in exchange for a tv special.
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