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Canadian General Election (OT) - #elxn42: October 19, 2015
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Yup.
Major Gripex
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If they don't say they'll repeal it, then I don't trust them to "gut" it enough to make any significant changes. Otherwise, why not just outright repeal it? Because it would make Trudeau look like a hypocrite because he voted for it?
That and he\d have to bring forward a new version of the bill which would die in the House
User 479360
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Same here
I haven't been following things closely, either. I just know that Harper needs to go.
NDP is getting less appealing to me lately, but I still find them most appealing. The whole "no deficits ever" thing plus starting to create attack ads after shunning the practice.
Social policy is important to me, as are workers' rights, and they feel the most progressive in these areas.
Social policy is important to me, as are workers' rights, and they feel the most progressive in these areas.
User 479360
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I don't know what to think of Justin Trudeau, and it's hard to trust the Liberal party as a whole after what Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne did.
I used to always vote NDP for Jack Layton, so I guess I'll just continue that trend.
I used to always vote NDP for Jack Layton, so I guess I'll just continue that trend.
How is that graph usable? I mean, I don't understand how a party can possibly be socially conservative but economically left. Would China be an example?
I kindof feel like I want to get more involved in this election, to at least help get Harper out, but I don't know which party I would aim to help.
I don't like that Trudeau is in this largely because of recognition for his family, and he hasn't come across as a great leader in his own right. He's made stupid mistakes and it seems like much of what he does is just following what his advisors are telling him to do from behind the curtain. He just seems hollow.
Mulcair seems to just be throwing out ideas to try and see what sticks, to where he is making unrealistic election promises, and I really hate it when politicians do that to win votes (and that people fall for it).
So neither party has a leader I'm overly eager to support right now, yet I feel I should get more involved somehow.
Edit: Also - am I the only one who has been annoyed by Wynne injecting herself into the discussion? I don't know what she's thinking - She should be letting Trudeau do the talking. It makes him look weak.
I don't like that Trudeau is in this largely because of recognition for his family, and he hasn't come across as a great leader in his own right. He's made stupid mistakes and it seems like much of what he does is just following what his advisors are telling him to do from behind the curtain. He just seems hollow.
Mulcair seems to just be throwing out ideas to try and see what sticks, to where he is making unrealistic election promises, and I really hate it when politicians do that to win votes (and that people fall for it).
So neither party has a leader I'm overly eager to support right now, yet I feel I should get more involved somehow.
Edit: Also - am I the only one who has been annoyed by Wynne injecting herself into the discussion? I don't know what she's thinking - She should be letting Trudeau do the talking. It makes him look weak.
The NDP already has the reputation as a party that would spend much more than other parties. The Conservatives would love to latch onto some quote by Mulcair that they could use to portray him as being overly loose with the public purse.
It feels likely to me that Mulcair's responses to the deficit question are designed to avoid creating soundbites that can be used against him.
If fully costed out platforms are released this election then we'll see what this "no deficit in our first budget" pledge really means. "No deficit" doesn't mean austerity and cuts, it just means that revenue covers expenses. Presumably the NDP believe they have found a way to generate enough revenue to cover the costs of their new programs.
PumpkinSpice
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Maybe Pope Francis could start a political party? There have to be examples of that situation somewhere in the world.
Yeah, I'll be interested to see where they'll get the money from. I'm hopeful that it's a plan that makes sense.
excelsiorlef
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Strategic voting, vote for/help the party in your riding that has the best chance to defeat the Cons, and if it's a Lib vs NDP riding well then pick whichever you like best.
Yeah this CBC Vote Compass is definitely the most well made one I've seen so far.
massivekettle
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Yep, I agree. Smack-dab in the centre of the cube (which is what I expected) but it says I agree with NPD the most, despite my position being closer to the CPC along every axis.
User 479360
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I started the vote compass test but stopped. I'm not sure of how I feel on some things, and it seems like it'll take a while so I plan to do it later.
How long is it?
How long is it?
eBay Huckster
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iirc, 30 questions
speaking of, i'm apparently indistinguishable from the NDP platform on economic/social matters and about halfway between them and the LPC on the constitution
e: yep, listen to Fuzzy here, I just looked at the straight-up "questions" tab
30 initial questions then 16 about the parties and then over 20 about your demographic. 5 minutes tops.
User 479360
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My results showed I agree with the NDP most, at 61%. Conservatives second, Liberals third and Green Party last at 50%.
Sounds about right. Go NDP.
Sounds about right. Go NDP.
Would your attitude change if there was PR?
It's just not happening, Greens.
The Greens need to run a candidate named Stephen Harper in a riding full of elderly conservatives.
eBay Huckster
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neat
(definitely less reformist on the constitutional scale, though)
Expansion Pack
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Gave it a shot. It's very accurate.
gutter_trash
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LOL, can't blame for the recession, but give them credit for the good years? You can't have it both ways.
TimHortons
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Bracing for gutter to tell me how wrong I am.
I'm voting liberal or NDP
Bloc and NDP in Quebec are pretty much aligned on the issue except for Bloc's views on religious minorities. Even if they changed those views they would never get my vote, ever.
PumpkinSpice
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Vote-splitting in action. If there's another blue-team majority there'd better be some party mergers... even if just temporarily until we can get electoral reform.
gutter_trash
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double post!
gutter_trash
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let's see how they spin the definition of ''Recession'' tomorrow, LOL
no RevoDS, i won't tell you that you are wrong. My mind is made up, your mind is made up. But I do respect candid honensty on diffrences though.
What I don't respect is shape-shifting chameleon colour changing, double-speek Thomas Mulcair though.
no RevoDS, i won't tell you that you are wrong. My mind is made up, your mind is made up. But I do respect candid honensty on diffrences though.
What I don't respect is shape-shifting chameleon colour changing, double-speek Thomas Mulcair though.
Our mayor, Jim Watson, is holding meetings with all candidates of all parties running in Ottawa to discuss local issues.
He met with every Liberal candidate and Green candidate over the last two weeks, and is scheduled to meet with the NDP candidates in the next few weeks. No Conservative candidate showed up to the meeting he scheduled with them, so they rescheduled to today and only 2 of them showed up.... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ottawa-mayor-in-rescheduled-meeting-1.3209816
How the hell can the Conservatives claim to represent the citizens of Ottawa when no one even gives a shit about meeting with the mayor? I hope the candidates of the other parties hammer home this show of disgrace.
He met with every Liberal candidate and Green candidate over the last two weeks, and is scheduled to meet with the NDP candidates in the next few weeks. No Conservative candidate showed up to the meeting he scheduled with them, so they rescheduled to today and only 2 of them showed up.... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ottawa-mayor-in-rescheduled-meeting-1.3209816
How the hell can the Conservatives claim to represent the citizens of Ottawa when no one even gives a shit about meeting with the mayor? I hope the candidates of the other parties hammer home this show of disgrace.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Posted?
http://abacusdata.ca/race-narrows-as-ndp-support-dips/
31% NDP
30% CPC
28% Libs
NDP leads in QC, three-way race with Libs in lead in Ontario, CPC leads in all Western Provinces, with BC being the closest race. Atlantic Canada is solidly Liberal.
http://abacusdata.ca/race-narrows-as-ndp-support-dips/
31% NDP
30% CPC
28% Libs
NDP leads in QC, three-way race with Libs in lead in Ontario, CPC leads in all Western Provinces, with BC being the closest race. Atlantic Canada is solidly Liberal.
gutter_trash
Banned
that Ontario battle
I got a bad feeling that the antiquated Westminster system will sill disproportionately award Conservatives more seats in comparison
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Meh, those are all minor issues. Quality of life is still great in all three countries. Probably better than Canada.
CitizenVectron
Member
This poll does have low samples though, and the BC numbers look a bit odd.
Guys I think there's a bug with the cbc compass. It put everyone on GAF in the top left.
I took this yesterday. Was slightly off centre in the upper left gradient. Good thing we have great centrist options.
Also: GSG, that is awfully pathetic... Enjoy your retirement funds local MPs....
I took this yesterday. Was slightly off centre in the upper left gradient. Good thing we have great centrist options.
Also: GSG, that is awfully pathetic... Enjoy your retirement funds local MPs....
ColonelSkills
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Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Still fits the general trend of whats been observed in all the other two polls - Three way race in Ontario, NDP leading in QC, two-way race between NDP/CPC in BC, and CPC domination in the prairies. The national trend seems to be that the Libs are slowly picking up steam, with the CPC starting to lose momentum.
Good lord, let it be a NDP win with Lib opp
Vancouver Island will swing full Green and let the Conservatives sneak up the middle I can just feel it.
To think we still have 6 weeks of these polls. 😓
nah, only realistic green seats are Elizabeth May herself in Saanich-Gulf Islands, and Jo-ann Roberts in Victoria proper. Jo-ann is ex CBC, and extremely well spoken/well liked. Last time is was neck and neck between the greens and NDP, but there was no incumbent since Denise Savoie passed the torch. I'm actually kinda worried that we'll go green tbh.
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