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[killer rin]

I'm happy that May will be there today. She proved herself in the Maclean's debate and proved me wrong.

With nothing to lose, she can put Harper in his place about this stupid distraction wedge issue

Hopefully we get another Maclain's Debate situation from this where Conservatives drop a few points and get transferred to everyone else.

The Ekos poll... fucking what? How? How can people be that stupid?

We're doomed.

Remember, 3 weeks to go. All it takes is one slip up for the support to flip from NDP to Liberal and vice versa

 

[gutter_trash]

because May has nothing to win and nothing to lose tonight, she is not pegged by talking points and she won't lose at all anyone in her base being being frank and honest tonight without worrying about pollsters.

Too bad her French skills are poor but I think she will cut the partisan hackery tonight attempted by Harper and Duceppe

watch out for Duceppe, the guy is conniving and cunning and opportunistic.

Duceppe did allow a Harper minority to survive in their 1st minority by supporting their Conservative budget way back then. Duceppe doesn't care about Left or Right

 

[Pedrito]

I doubt May will make much of an impact tonight.

Her french is alright, but it's not nearly as good as the other candidate's. In a debate setting, when everyone's talking over the others, she'll have a bit of trouble getting her point across.

 

[Walpurgis]

I doubt May will make much of an impact tonight.

Her french is alright, but it's not nearly as good as the other candidate's. In a debate setting, when everyone's talking over the others, she'll have a bit of trouble getting her point across.

That's a shame. I'm expecting a bit of a circus of talking points, attacks, half-truths and straight up lies. It would be nice if May could keep them honest and just generally keep things in check.

I know things like pipelines are not popular in Quebec. How do the Greens fare there?

 

[gutter_trash]

That's a shame. I'm expecting a bit of a circus of talking points, attacks, half-truths and straight up lies. It would be nice if May could keep them honest and just generally keep things in check.

I know things like pipelines are not popular in Quebec. How do the Greens fare there?

Greens won't win any seats but they poll highest on the Island of Montreal behind the Bloc. In some left leaning ridings, the Cons fall to 5th Place in the city.

Greens do poorly among Francophones and ethnic minorities.

Greens only do better among ''old stock'' Anglos where Liberals usually sweep.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

I know things like pipelines are not popular in Quebec. How do the Greens fare there?

Not great. The Bloc is against the pipeline too however.

 

[maharg]

It will never happen, because the NDP still has a core component to the party that is extremely left-wing while the Liberals are still very centrist.

And the reason for that is because this country is still too diverse to be well represented by only two parties. I hope no number of defeats results in merger talk. PR is the only path out of this problem.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

And the reason for that is because this country is still too diverse to be well represented by only two parties. I hope no number of defeats results in merger talk. PR is the only path out of this problem.

Except that'll never happen with the Cons in power.

 

[Azih]

Fewer parties also deadens the diversity of policies even possible to implement. Take a look at the states where the foreign policy choice is between Democratic drones and Republicans boots on the ground. Sure you could say one is 'better' than the other but Americans can't even effectively vote for a 'how about less killing' option even as a one time protest vote. Their only effective choices are pretty thoroughly co-opted by the military-industrial complex.

 

[maharg]

Except that'll never happen with the Cons in power.

It'll never happen with either party if the liberals and the NDP merge. I'll take hope over no hope, thanks.

And if you don't believe me, I'll just point to the fact that the Reform party once advocated for PR. Look what happened when they thought they had the brass ring locked down.

 

[gutter_trash]

Not great. The Bloc is against the pipeline too however.

the Bloc is against everything

 

[Walpurgis]

Fewer parties also deadens the diversity of policies even possible to implement. Take a look at the states where the foreign policy choice is between Democratic drones and Republicans boots on the ground. Sure you could say one is 'better' than the other but Americans can't even effectively vote for a 'how about less killing' option even as a one time protest vote. Their only effective choices are pretty thoroughly co-opted by the military-industrial complex.

And people who aren't white Christians can only vote for one party.

 

[matthewwhatever]

I seriously don't understand people who push for less political choice. The US offers a pretty vivid example of the pitfalls of a two-party system -- and particularly what happens when one of those party decides it wants to run off a cliff.

That's a shame. I'm expecting a bit of a circus of talking points, attacks, half-truths and straight up lies. It would be nice if May could keep them honest and just generally keep things in check.

I know things like pipelines are not popular in Quebec. How do the Greens fare there?

As gutter said, not well, though they do have a seat in the province -- a NDP MP in Montreal (Jose Nunez-Melo, from Laval) crossed over to them post-writ drop, after his old seat ceased to exist. Considering the Greens got less than 2.5% in the old riding in 2011, I wouldn't expect them to do significantly better with a quasi-incumbent in the new riding.

 

[gutter_trash]

+the billionaire 2 party system of the US causes voter turnouts to drop.

in 2000 (Bush v Gore), was one of the lowest voter turnout elections in modern times in the US

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

the Bloc is against everything

Basically. It's easy to promise everything under the sun when you know you'll never have any actual power ever.

 

[gutter_trash]

Basically. It's easy to promise everything under the sun when you know you'll never have any actual power ever.

+ the last the time the Bloc held the balance of Power in a Conservative minority, they supported a Conservative Budget and kept Harper alive

 

[Parch]

The Ekos poll... fucking what? How? How can people be that stupid? We're doomed.

You mean stupid for splitting the vote? After the liberals shit the bed last election, I'm so disappointed that so many are willing to crawl back to them.

 

[gutter_trash]

You mean stupid for splitting the vote? After the liberals shit the bed last election, I'm so disappointed that so many are willing to crawl back to them.

At least the Liberals are competitive in seat rich Ontario where the election will be decided and outside of TO can steal seats away from Harper.

NDP are like at 20% in Ontario. Cant form Government without Ontariariario

 

[Stet]

You mean stupid for splitting the vote? After the liberals shit the bed last election, I'm so disappointed that so many are willing to crawl back to them.

Holding grudges against political parties for how they've fared in past elections instead of for their platforms is mind-boggling.

 

[GuessMyUserName]

Fellas, fellas

We should all just be disappointed that Cons aren't in last.

 

[maharg]

Holding grudges against political parties for how they've fared in past elections instead of for their platforms is mind-boggling.

Holding a completely ahistorical view of the people trying to win power is more so.

 

[diaspora]

You mean stupid for splitting the vote? After the liberals shit the bed last election, I'm so disappointed that so many are willing to crawl back to them.

??? The NDP has shit themselves almost consistently for every election barring the last in Canadian history.

edit: Not much different than being mad at people voting BC NDP after Clark manhandled them.

 

[dragonfart28]

You mean stupid for splitting the vote? After the liberals shit the bed last election, I'm so disappointed that so many are willing to crawl back to them.

They were still in sponsorship scandal territory then.

Apparently the Liberal voters have finished their grieving over that one.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

This new poll is alarming as hell. Ugh, and I thought the other parties had a chance... it's an outlier or not?

Please point out to me why it's Quebec's fault again. As far as I know, it's one of the places where the Conservative party ISN'T leading.

The niqab swing is dumb as shit but blaming Québec? Really? Without Québec, Harper would coast to a win with no opposition.

It's always Québec's fault because reasons.

I'll vote Bloc despite not giving a damn about this ridiculous niqab thing. Despite what the medias and some politicians tell you, this is not the only issue being decided in this election.

Can't wait for Quebec to, one day, finally get out of Canada. You guys will finally be free from the Conservative without us voting for them. The numbers should add up, huh?

Voting Bloc will not make Québec separate, you know that. Voting Bloc will only take away seats from a party that has a chance to defeat the CPC. :\ Why not vote strategically?

 

[Tiktaalik]

At least the Liberals are competitive in seat rich Ontario where the election will be decided and outside of TO can steal seats away from Harper.

NDP are like at 20% in Ontario. Cant form Government without Ontariariario

Sure you can. The Conservatives lost Ontario in 2006, but rolled into power with a Minority Government regardless and we've had them ever since.

Ontario has the most amount of seats, but it's still just 36% of the seats. Ontario isn't the whole country. Harper's performance in 2006 showed that if you excel in the rest of the country, you can get by by merely doing Ok in Ontario.

Likewise you could do fantastic in Ontario but still lose the election if your support is weak in the rest of the country.

 

[Kurdel]

Conservatives now leading in my riding (Montmagny), unbelievable...

 

[Stet]

Holding a completely ahistorical view of the people trying to win power is more so.

The people change. So does the party. Looking back at Ignatieff as a reason to doubt Trudeau is silly. Just as silly as looking at Layton as a reason to respect Mulcair.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Sure you can. The Conservatives lost Ontario in 2006, but rolled into power with a Minority Government regardless and we've had them ever since.

Ontario has the most amount of seats, but it's still just 36% of the seats. Ontario isn't the whole country. Harper's performance in 2006 showed that if you excel in the rest of the country, you can get by by merely doing Ok in Ontario.

Likewise you could do fantastic in Ontario but still lose the election if your support is weak in the rest of the country.

40 out of 106 Ontario seats sounds about right for a weak minority government. I'd be surprised if the NDP can form government with just 20 or 15 Ontario seats. You have to keep in mind, if they are getting 20 seats, that means the other 102 seats are going to someone else.

 

[gutter_trash]

The people change. So does the party. Looking back at Ignatieff as a reason to doubt Trudeau is silly. Just as silly as looking at Layton as a reason to respect Mulcair.

 

[Stet]

I'm voting NDP.

 

[eBay Huckster]

The people change. So does the party. Looking back at Ignatieff as a reason to doubt Trudeau is silly. Just as silly as looking at Layton as a reason to respect Mulcair.

Spoiler

Or looking at Pearson through Martin as a reason to respect Trudeau the Younger

e: fuck, this post was 10 minutes late

 

[matthewwhatever]

Conservatives now leading in my riding (Montmagny), unbelievable...

They only lost by 9 votes last time. It's not often that one vote makes such a difference, but I'd think that in your riding in particular, that would be more than enough motivation to not just get out and vote, but to get as many like-minded people as possible to vote, too.

I know that a 9-point lead is a lot, but have some perspective, people. It's one poll that even Ekos themselves are calling "puzzling". There are still three and a half weeks to election day. There's still lots of time for things to change, in any direction.

 

[AuthenticM]

Alright, so if I understand what is happening right now, the NPD is losing momentum while the Liberals are gaining some? Originally, I wanted to vote for the Liberals, but then I told myself I should vote NPD because they had better chances of defeating the Cons. But now it seems I'll be able to vote Liberal?

Christ. All I want is for the Cons to fuck off from office.

 

[Kurdel]

They only lost by 9 votes last time. It's not often that one vote makes such a difference, but I'd think that in your riding in particular, that would be more than enough motivation to not just get out and vote, but to get as many like-minded people as possible to vote, too.

Yeah, it's crazy how close it was last time.

Shitty screenshot from the 25th of august

Vs today

 

[gutter_trash]

Yeah, it's crazy how close it was last time.

Shitty screenshot from the 25th of august

Vs today

at least Robert Libman is losing to Tony Housefather in Mont-Royal. Thank God.

 

[maharg]

The people change. So does the party. Looking back at Ignatieff as a reason to doubt Trudeau is silly. Just as silly as looking at Layton as a reason to respect Mulcair.

The backroom of a political party changes a lot slower than the faces do.

Note: I actually liked Ignatieff, personally. He's not the person I'm holding against the party.

 

[Silexx]

Alright, so if I understand what is happening right now, the NPD is losing momentum while the Liberals are gaining some? Originally, I wanted to vote for the Liberals, but then I told myself I should vote NPD because they had better chances of defeating the Cons. But now it seems I'll be able to vote Liberal?

Christ. All I want is for the Cons to fuck off from office.

It's almost like strategic voting is a fool's errand!

I'll say this, no matter who wins this election, everyone in this thread will have to eat crow of some sort at the end.

 

[jstripes]

I haven't been paying that close attention this past week, but is it safe to assume the change in polling numbers might partially be the result of stirring up the fear of Muslims?

 

[dragonfart28]

Possibly if you look at Quebec.

That NDP Auschwitz thing is getting a lot of traction too.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Voting Bloc will not make Québec separate, you know that. Voting Bloc will only take away seats from a party that has a chance to defeat the CPC. :\ Why not vote strategically?

No risk of CPC winning here (no chance for Bloc either). So it's really just about who I want to give my dollar or so to, and whose number I want to see go (very very slightly) up.

Conservatives now leading in my riding (Montmagny), unbelievable...

They almost won last time... A friend of mine thought of running for Neo-Rhino there in 2011, which would probably have been enough to "split" the vote and make Bernard Genereux (CPC) and his sunglasses win. Brrrr...

 

[Morrigan Stark]

No risk of CPC winning here (no chance for Bloc either). So it's really just about who I want to give my dollar or so to, and whose number I want to see go (very very slightly) up.

Fair enough.

 

[gutter_trash]

No risk of CPC winning here (no chance for Bloc either). So it's really just about who I want to give my dollar or so to, and whose number I want to see go (very very slightly) up.


They almost won last time... A friend of mine thought of running for Neo-Rhino there in 2011, which would probably have been enough to "split" the vote and make Bernard Genereux (CPC) and his sunglasses win. Brrrr...

if it makes you feel any better, the Liberals are in 3rd place in my riding

 

[Tiktaalik]

40 out of 106 Ontario seats sounds about right for a weak minority government. I'd be surprised if the NDP can form government with just 20 or 15 Ontario seats. You have to keep in mind, if they are getting 20 seats, that means the other 102 seats are going to someone else.

Well in 2006 the Cons won just 10 seats in Quebec. Had they done much better in QC they could have accordingly done worse in Ontario and still won that minority.

You're right though that it really does hinge on where those other Ontario seats go. If there's a three party split in Ontario then you can definitely win without Ontario by doing better in other parts of the country. If all the Ontario seats went to a single party then it would be dramatically more difficult.

 

[gutter_trash]

Conservatives in 2011: Quebec 5 seats. Ontario 73 seats

IMO, Ontario is the bigger sinner

 

[Kurdel]

I will be watching the debate tonight, Duceppe is an exceptional debater, so I do see him winning points.

 

[gutter_trash]

I will be watching the debate tonight, Duceppe is an exceptional debater, so I do see him winning points.

Duceppe on Marc Garneau
« Je savais que le gars était spatial, mais là je commence à le trouver pas mal spécial»,

I spit out my coffee laughing when he said that

 

[matthewwhatever]

No risk of CPC winning here (no chance for Bloc either). So it's really just about who I want to give my dollar or so to, and whose number I want to see go (very very slightly) up.

Uhhh...

Possibly if you look at Quebec.

That NDP Auschwitz thing is getting a lot of traction too.

It is, but there's no way that one candidate not knowing what Auschwitz was would be enough to move any votes outside of that riding. No matter how mind-bogglingly stupid her response was -- even if she's telling the truth and truly didn't know what it was, she still should've pretended it was intentional and gone with the "It was horribly insensitive of me, and I apologize for my youthful momentary lapse in judgment." defense -- it's not like it speaks to a broader policy issue. It's ironic, since Mulcair has gone to such great lengths to paint the NDP as being more pro-Israel, but I doubt it'll be fatal to anyone other than Alex Johnstone.

Now, having Hootsuite and Shopify come out against one of their big policy proposals, that may have an impact.

 

[diaspora]

The backroom of a political party changes a lot slower than the faces do.

Note: I actually liked Ignatieff, personally. He's not the person I'm holding against the party.

The backroom changed more radically than the face.

 

[GSG Flash]

I hope this shitty niqab issue is forgotten soon enough. Talk about voting on an issue that doesn't even affect you personally(unlike Bill C-24 or 51) :/

 

[mdubs]

This election sucks, all the parties are pretty distasteful