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[firehawk12]

I don't think the Liberals expect to win this election at all. As long as they do significantly better than last time Trudeau has nothing to worry about because this is a 2 election plan for them.

Well, even then, I'd imagine they wouldn't accept third place...

 

[mo60]

Well, even then, I'd imagine they wouldn't accept third place...

Trudeau's and the Liberals goal most likely with this election was to build back their support and they seem to be doing that really well so far. Even if they end up in third after this election I don't think they will care.

 

[SRG01]

I may have asked before but anyone know why rural Manitoba is so blue? I thought it was mostly Aboriginals and reserves out there. I would expect them to be going red. Are there really that many white farmers?

I was listening to CBC news a while ago talking about the aboriginal vote in Manitoba. Apparently, the aboriginal vote is divided between voting for the establishment and institutions that continue to discriminate against them, or actually voting for a candidate that has a chance of bringing about some kind of change.

Truth be told, I really can't argue against them *not* voting considering the level of discrimination aboriginals face every single day.

 

[Tabris]

We would have to become a Republic to have a directly elected executive.

I'd be happy with that - having a GG is stupid anyway.

A republic is a system of government not the name for the electoral process. There's multiple republics that follow the same electoral process as Canada.

All it is is a Presidential System of Representative Democracy. We're a Westminster Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_democracy#Representative_democracies

 

[Buba Big Guns]

Are that many Quebecois single issue voters on the niqab? Seriously? Of all things to care about as a single issue.

 

[firehawk12]

A republic is a system of government not the name for the electoral process. There's multiple republics that follow the same electoral process as Canada.

All it is is a Presidential System of Representative Democracy. We're a Westminster Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_...ve_democracies

The reason we're a Westminster parliamentary democracy though is because the Queen is the leader of our country (with the GG as the fill in for when she's not here).

The way it works is that the ministers serve at the whim of the GG, and the idea of the "prime" minister is an invented role that was historically based on the fact that, under the English system, the person who controlled the finances had the most power of all of the ministers in the party. By tradition, the minister who was Chancellor of the Exchequer was the "prime" minister.

I don't think we can have a directly elective executive AND a GG, because at that point, who is the leader of the country? We as a country would be saying this "president" would be the leader, but then he would still have to bow down to the GG and let the GG read the budget ever year?

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

The NDP is tanking in Ontario. They're polling lower than what the provincial party got last year. With numbers like that, they'll be lucky to keep the 17 seats they have now.

 

[Popstar]

I may have asked before but anyone know why rural Manitoba is so blue? I thought it was mostly Aboriginals and reserves out there. I would expect them to be going red. Are there really that many white farmers?

I believe a lot of the population of rural Manitoba is actually small satellite towns like Headingly.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

There seems to be a good chance of the CPC winning the most seats, but not winning the highest percentage of votes. I think especially if that particular scenario happens, Canadians need to put some heavy pressure on Lib/NDP for a coalition.

 

[firehawk12]

Yep, the Conservatives just have to not fuck up and just like the Liberals and NDP kill each other.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Yep, the Conservatives just have to not fuck up and just like the Liberals and NDP kill each other.

I was watching this unfortunate mini-debate on TV Ontario the other day, and you can pretty much sum up Lisa Raitt's reaction like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_0lZJ4S0Y

 

[mo60]

The NDP is tanking in Ontario. They're polling lower than what the provincial party got last year. With numbers like that, they'll be lucky to keep the 17 seats they have now.

Most polls give them at least 20 seats in Ontario after this election with their current poll numbers in Ontario.

 

[matthewwhatever]

I may have asked before but anyone know why rural Manitoba is so blue? I thought it was mostly Aboriginals and reserves out there. I would expect them to be going red. Are there really that many white farmers?

This came up a few weeks ago (in general, that is, not here), when the Chief of the AFN encouraged aboriginals to vote, then said he wasn't sure he'd actually vote himself. It doesn't matter if the aboriginal voters outnumber the non-aboriginal voters if they don't get out and vote.

Related: Why voter turnout is lower among First Nations (In a nutshell, they don't see it as their process, in part because they didn't even get the franchise until 1960, so they don't get involved.)

 

[Walpurgis]

I was listening to CBC news a while ago talking about the aboriginal vote in Manitoba. Apparently, the aboriginal vote is divided between voting for the establishment and institutions that continue to discriminate against them, or actually voting for a candidate that has a chance of bringing about some kind of change.

Truth be told, I really can't argue against them *not* voting considering the level of discrimination aboriginals face every single day.

This came up a few weeks ago (in general, that is, not here), when the Chief of the AFN encouraged aboriginals to vote, then said he wasn't sure he'd actually vote himself. It doesn't matter if the aboriginal voters outnumber the non-aboriginal voters if they don't get out and vote.

Related: Why voter turnout is lower among First Nations (In a nutshell, they don't see it as their process, in part because they didn't even get the franchise until 1960, so they don't get involved.)

That's a real shame. I wish they would vote to try to stop the systematic discrimination. :/

edit:

Some indigenous leaders say we need a new and different electoral system, perhaps something like they have in New Zealand where a certain number of seats are set aside for the indigenous Maori people.

This seems like a good solution. I want this.

 

[dragonfart28]

There seems to be a good chance of the CPC winning the most seats, but not winning the highest percentage of votes. I think especially if that particular scenario happens, Canadians need to put some heavy pressure on Lib/NDP for a coalition.

They will likely just vote together on certain bills and unite to defeat Harper on others without entering a formal coalition.

 

[Kifimbo]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

 

[Impeccable]

This is close to majority territory.

Amazing.

 

[dragonfart28]

It's happening

 

[GSG Flash]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

Will wait for other polls before declaring that the sky is falling. I still think the vast majority of voters are undecided and have a bit of Harper fatigue.

 

[firehawk12]

RIP Canada.

 

[gutter_trash]

shit is about the get worse after tonight's debate, both Harper and Duceppe will play the same song and dance on identity politics

 

[Ledhead]

I don't know if I can handle another goddamn majority. That would be so depressing

 

[gutter_trash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=axVCoqpkqKE
Harper addresses Quebec in his latest French language ad.

Harper talks bout Quebec Values LOL, you could swear he was running for the leadership of the Bloc

Harper is the new Pauline

--------

it is high time we put our differences aside and support the candidate the represents all Canadians equally without pandering:

 

[Zips]

Conservatives shooting up in the polls? Why?

Come on Canadians... You can't possibly be this stupid, can you?

 

[gutter_trash]

Conservatives shooting up in the polls? Why?

Come on Canadians... You can't possibly be this stupid, can you?

Watch tonight's debate, things will get stupider

 

[matthewwhatever]

NDP voters abandoning their party en masse for the Conservatives? In an election where 70% of voters say they want a change? That seems off. Not saying it's impossible, but it seems strange.

That said, the Ontario findings are partly backed by a poll this morning from Mainstreet: CPC 38, LPC 34, NDP 22. The only place in the province the NDP is cracking 20% is downtown Toronto.

Tonight's debate is going to be ugly.

 

[Annubis]

Harper is the new Pauline

Somebody tried to assassinate Pauline though...

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Is gutter_trash a bot set up by the Liberals?

 

[Ledhead]

There's nothing I can do about it though unless I moved. I live in Vancouver Centre. Hedy Fry (Liberals) is going to win. I'm going to vote on principle but the others don't stand a chance.

I'm discouraged my vote doesn't mean anything in the national arena. If I was in a contested riding it would, but it doesn't here. I want to vote nationally instead of regionally.

I hear you. All indications point to the Liberal candidate winning in my riding by a decent margin.

 

[gutter_trash]

Is gutter_trash a bot set up by the Liberals?

online persona aside, i am as troubled as all of you about Harper returning to Ottawa with a majority based off a petty not important wedge issue that is hitting the AM Radio talk show waves in the same manor as Pauline's Charter of Values did.

Harper is not a Prime Minisiter, Harper is an eternal campaigner always campaigning, always pandering for victories.

our Westminster System needs a big change to move away from the possibility of another Majority goverment with just 33% of the vote

 

[Lexxism]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

Damn. That's it folks. We had a good run.

 

[RevoDS]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

Fuck. This. Country.

 

[Azih]

our Westminster System needs a big change to move away from the possibility of another Majority goverment with just 33% of the vote

The only way to prevent that is PR.

 

[Stet]

http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20150923 Ballot TrackingE.pdf

Nanos disagrees.

 

[gutter_trash]

The only way to prevent that is PR.

If Red agrees to go along with Orange on PR or vice versa on preferential ballot

Then so be it.

 

[Azih]

If Red agrees to go along with Orange on PR.

Then so be it.

Fair Vote has shifted to pressuring Liberals on this issue. So if everybody here could give a look at fairvote.ca and, if the Liberal candidate in your riding hasn't responded yes to PR, give them a call and say PR is a big deal for you to not only kick Harper out but prevent someone like Harper from getting full control from a fake majority ever again. Hell do it anyway.

Liberal rank and file candidates are the ones on the fence here and hearing from people in their riding will help to work against what they're getting from the party elites.

'Preferential ballot' of the AV style that JT favours wouldn't prevent Harper from getting full power from 33% of people's first choice vote for the same reason FPTP doesn't prevent it.

 

[Kurdel]

Fuck. This. Country.

For real, people are so easily manipulated by fear and bigotry, it's reslly amazing how a non issue become central in the election.

 

[Windam]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

America should just absorb us at this point; we're becoming them anyway. This is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 126221]

Fuck. This. Country.

Couldn't have said it better!

 

[gutter_trash]

I have faith that shit will turn around on the final week

 

[matthewwhatever]

http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/20150923 Ballot TrackingE.pdf

Nanos disagrees.

So do Leger and Environics and Ipsos and...basically, EKOS is the only one showing one party dramatically ahead.


For a bit of levity, since I think most of us feel a little tense with less than a month to go: Here’s what our leaders’ stump speeches are really trying to say

Thomas Mulcair:

The centrepiece of our plan is an affordable new child care program. It’s going to be terrific. Too bad it’ll take so long that no one who currently has young children will benefit from it. Also, it will require provincial money, so it’ll probably never happen. To summarize: EVENTUAL CHILD CARE PROGRAM MAYBE!

Stephen Harper:

Friends, the world is a dangerous, unstable, volatile place. The global economy is weak, fragile and in turmoil. Asia is a mess. Europe is going to hell. My message to you: Do not leave the country. In fact, don’t even look at an atlas, or Canada will be plunged into eternal economic chaos.

Justin Trudeau:

I’ve met with Canadians. I’ve looked you straight in the eye and told you what it will take to grow our economy. Then I’ve held that eye contact a little too long. Does this make you uncomfortable, sir? Your wife didn’t seem to mind.

 

[TheOMan]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

No, Canada!

 

[Pedrito]

The worst part is that no matter what the polls say, the Cons will get 2-3% more in the election because the folks who are supposed to vote for them will actually go vote.

 

[eBay Huckster]

For a bit of levity, since I think most of us feel a little tense with less than a month to go: Here’s what our leaders’ stump speeches are really trying to say

As prime minister, I will roll up my sleeves to build a strong, diverse, prosperous, knowledge-based economy that is sturdy enough to support six meaningless adjectives, instead of the four I just used.

Our plan going forward is clear: More jobs. Lower taxes. Prudent spending. Sentence fragments.

This election is about you—unlike all previous elections, which were conducted simply to advance our understanding of lawn-sign durability.

:jnc

 

[TheRealTalker]

Oh boy. New Ekos with a big sample of 2343.

Canada:
CPC: 35.4% (+6)
LPC: 26.3% (-1.1)
NDP: 24.5% (-5.4)


Quebec:
NPD: 33% (-8)
CPC: 24% (+8)
LPC: 19% (-1)
Bloc: 18% (+2)

CPC leading eveywhere except the Atlantic provinces and Quebec.

This is close to majority territory.

you got to be kidding me... I mean why

 

[Windam]

you got to be kidding me... I mean why

ISIS and taxes. ISIS likes higher taxes. Do you want to support ISIS? Only a Harper-led Conservative government can save us.

 

[eBay Huckster]

you got to be kidding me... I mean why

this should help

 

[lacinius]

you got to be kidding me... I mean why

Because apparently 0.001% of the population having previously met all security and identification requirements may, or may not, want to wear a niqab during a public swearing-in ceremony to become a Canadian citizen. Such a thought has rightly rustled some jimmies, and many will cling in desperation to any political party that will ensure such a nightmare scenario is prevented. This is Canada after all, where we are strong and free.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

These polls are fucked. That always bodes well for the CPC.

If the conservatives win again, I just dont know. The degradation of science, tech, information, innovation in this country is too much at this point. Quebec seems to not have its priorities straight.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Thank you Cocknut Mulcair and Cocknut Trudeau to help continue this Conservative farce. Instead of doing something like... I dunno... FORMING A COALITION... continue this so I can see MOAR Harper.