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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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killer rin
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I'm personally in favour of a larger population because it brings with it greater tax revenue and economical efficiencies in addition to greater negotiation power with external powers. Not to mention as long as the young outnumber the old, we can withstand the wave of aging population.
The petition just hit 83,949 Signatures and became the most signed one of all time on the E-Petitions site, I've been following the numbers over the past couple days and the big changer has been mostly attributed to Quebec jumping from a little under 4000 to over 15,000
Pancake Mix
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Australia is not in the G7/G8 though, which is what I'm referring to. They also have roughly than 2/3rds of Canada's population, so similar number of people leads to a higher growth rate for them than it would for Canada.
I don't really have an opinion at the moment, unless I saw some hard evidence that it was causing economic difficulties or something. Can't accept everyone, though.
Well, one issue is that the population growth does not extend to rural areas. Canada is now 83% urban, which is incredibly high.
killer rin
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Yes, but all that does it make Urban areas even more efficient and allow them to generate even more revenue which will go towards subsidizing rural area operations. Plus it's not like Rural areas would get none of that increase, some people like living in rural areas after all.
Oh man, we're almost catching up to metropolitan Tokyo!
Pancake Mix
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Actually, if it's all due to immigration, which this growth is, then rural areas aren't really getting much of an increase anymore.
This hasn't been updated yet, but here:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo62a-eng.htm
The vast majority of immigrants head to urban centres.
We should shoot for something a teensy bit closer - we're closer to the population of California.
Alberta growing? But the loud people told me Alberta was dead and Saskatchewan was where it's at!
Which makes the racists move to the rural areas. Maybe that's just true of the racists I work with.
gutter_trash
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I feel sorry for Atlantic Canada though,
something must be done to get something happening over there but I have no clue what.
Maybe all Atlantic Provinces should become ONE mega Province and concentrate on certain sectors of the economy, I don't see the point of micro Provinces trying to re-invent the wheel
something must be done to get something happening over there but I have no clue what.
Maybe all Atlantic Provinces should become ONE mega Province and concentrate on certain sectors of the economy, I don't see the point of micro Provinces trying to re-invent the wheel
PumpkinSpice
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This is growth from 2011 to 2016. The slowdow/bust only started in 2014; you could have growth going flat from 2014 to 2016 and you'd still have boontime growth from 2011 to 2014 more than making up for it.
They need to focus on cities. Rural areas are doomed across the country. It's starting to happen, slowly.
The demographic changes and depopulation are overwealmingly affecting rural and small town areas. All 3 provinces have been stubbornedly non-urbanized, and that's meant a lot of economic development attempts (and corporate welfare) are wasted in doomed towns due to politics / it being where votes are (70% of the population of NS is outside Halifax).
Only if it was at some ridiculous percentage growth prior to 2014, since it's still high.
I wish they'd consolidate their efforts into pushing tech-based business. Maybe they can make a push for the 'naturally/environmentally cooled' server farms that have popped up in various places, but the location doesn't seem ideal.
PumpkinSpice
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Yeah just pointing out that there are limits to what you can tell from census data.
I guess the EU is going to start taking us more seriously now that the US is a basket case.
They've thrown around the idea of merging the maritime provinces, New Brunswick's population is only just barely higher than Mississauga, but too much pride would be bruised by doing that.
They've been on a downward trend since the '70s. Unless they do something like put in killer internet infrastructure and court high tech services, I don't know how they can fix it.
killer rin
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I think they are on the right track by unioning their Government Services together under a single administration, going further in that direction would be a good way for them to proceed if they didn't want to merge.
You could give companies all the tax breaks you want, but if people don't want to move there because of what they see as "boring" urban areas for the young people that tech companies need, then it won't matter.
Radical idea: cities should operate as city-states much like Cologne, while rural areas are managed as territories.
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Come on, I doubt that really happens much, people go where the jobs are. It's true that rural Canada is a lot more homogeneous, but a lot of that homogeneity is Native instead of British, French, Scandinavian on the Prairie, etc.
That'd be a no-go. None of those provinces want to lose their substantial authority in a federal country.
I work construction and you wouldn't believe the number of coworkers that commute over 2 hours a day to Toronto because they don't want to live near "foreigners". I still remember 10 years ago one guy who lived in Innisfil (100km north of Toronto) coming to work one day and complaining about the new owners of the convenience store near his house being SE Asian and how he had to move further north again. He did.
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Can't really rely on anecdotes. I don't deny that it can occur, but I doubt it's a trend.
I guess someone had to take the wheel.
Morrigan Stark
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/...fter-questions-about-religion-trump-1.3972019
Awful. That poor woman.
Are customs officers even allowed to ask for your phone passwords?? I guess if you refuse they'll just instantly turn you away? Ugh.
Awful. That poor woman.
Are customs officers even allowed to ask for your phone passwords?? I guess if you refuse they'll just instantly turn you away? Ugh.
Didnt they (the US) recently pass a bill making that legal?
killer rin
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Welcome to the United-Police-States-of-America
matthewwhatever
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It's an ongoing question -- and that's just in Canada. When you're crossing into another country, it adds on a whole new range of questions, and border guards on both sides can keep people out for a range of reasons. At least the US has an established complaint and appeal process in place for situations like this. We're still figuring that stuff out.
On a related note, has anyone noticed Trump's Executive Order on privacy and data protection? It's... problematic, to say the least.
I possible that O'Leary wins, but saying it's probable is vastly overstating his chances. He has little organization, next to no caucus support, and he's extremely polarizing, even to CPC members. He's also starting off his campaign by writing off between one-third and one-quarter of the ridings (at least), which means that he'd need to win by huge numbers in the rest of the country -- which hardly seems likely, taking into account other factors. It's not impossible, to be sure, but there are all kinds of factors working against him.
Her name keeps popping up, and has for a few months now. I've also heard Paul LePage and Kelly Ayotte as possible candidates. Right now, I think LePage is the most likely, but it's impossible to predict anything when it comes to this administration.
Yeah, OpenMedia has been all over it.
Morrigan Stark
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Urrrgh. I'm crossing the border this week-end, I hope I don't get my laptop and phone seized. I'm white as a sheet so I should be OK
but I'll be travelling with a bunch of Asians (mostly girls). They aren't the "suspicious" group so we'll probably be OK but who the fuck knows anymore.gutter_trash
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Urrrgh. I'm crossing the border this week-end, I hope I don't get my laptop and phone seized. I'm white as a sheet so I should be OK
I'm planning to go the Cali this Spring, I'm deleting my text messages, LOL
IndoAssassin
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You know whst's shitty, I'm from a Sikh family, but my last name has been put on America's list of names from their banned countries. Man it's gonna be hell trying to go there for a wedding this summer.
There's a letter circulating around the web where a calgary lawyer is asking the alberta pc president to disqualify jason kenney from the alberta pc leadership race now.
Link to CBC article about this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-pc-party-complaint-1.3975301
Edit: Replaced what I posted earlier with a link to an article about this story. I still think this is a waste of time and will make tons of people angry.
Link to CBC article about this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jason-kenney-pc-party-complaint-1.3975301
Edit: Replaced what I posted earlier with a link to an article about this story. I still think this is a waste of time and will make tons of people angry.
Kind of buried in various places today, but Canada confirmed its attendance to post-TPP talks in Chile: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/tpp-chile-champagne-1.3974182
O'Leary's doing a talk in a UBC pub right now and I'm listening in on the livestream.
He's claiming he's got no plans to do the same immigration techniques as Trump is doing, although based on what I'm hearing so far and totally expected, he's got that very same "run it like business" mentality that won't do us any favours.
UPDATE: Holy shit, he has been spouting nothing but BNN talk for the past half hour.
He's claiming he's got no plans to do the same immigration techniques as Trump is doing, although based on what I'm hearing so far and totally expected, he's got that very same "run it like business" mentality that won't do us any favours.
UPDATE: Holy shit, he has been spouting nothing but BNN talk for the past half hour.
O'Leary is more socially liberal then a lot of the CPC leadership candidates. I never expected him to believe in a lot of the things trump believes him.
IndoAssassin
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O'Leary is a guy who made it big with some investments. He is a cut throat businessman that is all.
Not a hate encouraging, con-man who lies about every single thing out of his mouth, like Trump. I don't get the comparisons.
Not a hate encouraging, con-man who lies about every single thing out of his mouth, like Trump. I don't get the comparisons.
Yeah, last night he definitely seemed earnest when he was saying that anyone and everyone was welcome to Canada, so that was relieving at least. In fact, he said even intended to legalize marijuana (albeit for money purposes) and that he didn't really care what anyone was LGBT-wise (whether he meant that in an inclusive way or apathetic way, who knows)
That said, he spouted a lot of deflecting drivel last night. One example was that he was asked if he was complaining about Trudeau's deficit, what did he think about Harper's deficit, but he just went on some odd tirade about the good kinds of deficits without answering the question. And yes, for the most part, all his conceptual policies he mentioned are all hardline businessman-motivated more than anything. He plans to match whatever economic policy the US has in 2019 if he gets elected, but that would be totally going against whatever "progressive" maneuvers he promised to do early on regarding the environment if the current US administration is still on the downward spiral at point -- though I guess this would all be contingent on whether that works out for them or not.
Finally, he did a lot of grasping of straws last night in terms of stats and whatnot -- didn't really cite anything apart from his own gut from what I remember. Also I tuned out at some point, but apparently he got into a very heated argument with a student attending the Q&A near the end.
Here's an archive of the stream by the way
Where is this list?
Ask Mattel what they think of Mr. "Can't tell the difference between debt and a deficit". O'Leary may not be as regressive an individual as Trump in terms of his stances on immigration, LGBT rights, etc. but he's deeply entrenched in the "fuck you, got mine" mindset common in conservatives and has a terrible temperament to boot, not to mention sharing Trump's lack of compassion and respect. He's running for the same reason as Trump: He's doing it for himself because he sees an opportunity to enrich himself. People assume he's successful because, like Trump, he was on a television series where the hosts present themselves as successful rather than, in O'Leary's case, a man whose ventures range from one failure to the next. One could even argue that his "only I can chop through the Trudeau armor" is similar to Trump's constant bashing of Obama and how he thinks he can run the country so much better than him. People call O'Leary and Kellie Leitch the Trumps of Canada for a reason: They encompass several of his most undesirable qualities. The way I see it, Leitch is the id while O'Leary is the ego.
matthewwhatever
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You can add his pot stance up to the very, very long list of things Kevin O'Leary knows nothing about. The Parliamentary Budget Office made it very clear that because pot is so relatively inexpensive on the street, if/when it's legalized, it'll be sold with nearly no profit margin.
What? You're conflating two totally separate things here. There's the list of countries covered by the travel ban (which is public knowledge), and there's a no-fly list (which is not public knowledge). If you/your family is from one of those seven countries, then just hope that the courts continue to strike down the ban. If you or someone else in your family has the misfortune of sharing a name with someone on the no-fly list, then look into
DHS TRIP ASAP -- it's a way for individuals to get their names off watch lists. And again, there's no list of names from banned countries.
Yeah, it was one of those moments where I went "Well, that's kinda cool, but this reasoning makes no sense."
Hmmm we don't know this for sure, remember Donald only exercised this rhetoric in such a bombastic way this election, before he was more-or-less the typical NY liberal. And our campaigns are much shorter in comparison so there is still a chance for O'Leary to drum up the hate later.
Can he shrink his hands before the meeting?
Well, we're up to 5 Canadians denied entry to the US now, since the ban.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...-refused-entry-united-states-border-1.3976230
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...-refused-entry-united-states-border-1.3976230
Morrigan Stark
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Ugh. Stupid assholes.
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