It was called The Return of the First Avenger over here. Winter Soldier is better.
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Captain America: The Winter Soldier SPOILER THREAD | ...does anyone want to get out?
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It was called The Return of the First Avenger over here. Winter Soldier is better.
Noisepurge
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yeah some european countries (like our finland) even had both subtitles in the poster
Really? I didn't notice. But I did get a bit confused when I got my ticket and it said CA:TROTFA, since it was the first time I'd even heard of the other subtitle. They really should have just called it Talvisotilas and let the money pour in.
A properly done Doctor Strange film will prepare people for how insane Thanos is going to be for Avengers 3.
I believed Fury was dead, lol. I have little comic knowledge and don'tknow for how many movies each actor signed on, so I might beexcused, though.
I liked his dying scene, though. I couldn't clearly see the monitors thanks to shitty 3d, but it seemed they defibrilated Fury when he was having ventricular fibrillation , not when his heart had stopped which they often do in tv shows and movies, argh. It surprised me that they didn't try a heart massage when he was flatlining, though, but I guess the doctor declaring him dead was in on it and the rest of the team was shot when they asked stupid questions. They needed to get him off the EKG quickly, because even one bpm shows up. Oh, and kids, don't try going down to one bpm and expect to survive, lol.
I liked his dying scene, though. I couldn't clearly see the monitors thanks to shitty 3d, but it seemed they defibrilated Fury when he was having ventricular fibrillation , not when his heart had stopped which they often do in tv shows and movies, argh. It surprised me that they didn't try a heart massage when he was flatlining, though, but I guess the doctor declaring him dead was in on it and the rest of the team was shot when they asked stupid questions. They needed to get him off the EKG quickly, because even one bpm shows up. Oh, and kids, don't try going down to one bpm and expect to survive, lol.
The twins are Quicksilver and Scarlet Watch, two mutants with super speed and reality-altering abilities respectively.
Marvel is allowed to use them in their films as they have been long-standing characters in the Avengers, but Fox can also use them, as they are mutants. (Quicksilver will also be appearing in X-Men: Days of Future Past, but played by a different actor.) As part of this agreement Marvel cannot use the word "mutant", but I liked how they waived that away by referring to the characters as "miracles".
As for the Red Skull, that's all dependent on Hugo Weaving, and IIRC he's not been too keen on returning to the roll.
matrix-cat
Member
He lives in computers now, I'm sure he has backups. He wouldn't drop a missile on himself just to maybe kill Captain America, y'know?
Last I heard, Weaving had no interest in reprising the role.
It would have to be a secret identity that's off of the SHIELD/HYDRA hit list. A person that kept it hidden for decades.
So the Infinity Gauntlet is just one half of a pair of winter gloves in the DC Universe?
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
yep in the comics BP makes same some armor and weaponry so thats an option.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
I put the avengers on to pass out to last night and my god does caps suit in that movie look terrible now. They really did a better job at making the suit look decent in this movie. I don't think i can go back now. It looks like terrible cosplay.
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I'll put my money on Pym
Avengers one looks fine to me. The First Avenger suit was the best though.
Saw this movie last night. I don't go to movies at the theatre often these days but GAF convinced me to go. I also still haven't seen Thor 2 but I was told I didn't need to before seeing this.
What I really liked:
What I didn't like
Everything else was good to great. It did feel like a Bourne movie crossed with a superhero movie.
I'll have to see it again on DVD and think about it for a bit but right now I think it would just squeeze in to my Top 5 comic movies of all time.
What I really liked:
- The elevator and escape after scene
- The bridge battle
- Falcon
- Winter Soldier (mostly)
What I didn't like
- The Winter Solder memory thing
- The "put 3 things in 3 different ships" thing felt like just a silly plot excuse to have some (good) action
- The cheesy part where Cap is trying to put in the last chip while Winter Soldier shoots him once every 15 seconds as Cap slowly makes his way to the device the Winter Solider was trying to stop him from reaching
Everything else was good to great. It did feel like a Bourne movie crossed with a superhero movie.
I'll have to see it again on DVD and think about it for a bit but right now I think it would just squeeze in to my Top 5 comic movies of all time.
Yup. The gems only work in their native universe.
This is my favorite thing about the movie, people starting to get educated on Cap.
TheKaeptain
Banned
It looks like they took a suit from Wal-Mart and said "All of our money is going to CG, here take this."
Calamari41
41 > 38
I love how in First Avenger, Zola came across as more of a guy kind of caught up in Red Skull's plan, maybe in a bit over his head, just following orders with a hint of a "what have I done" attitude at how far out of control his tech was going. Then in Winter Soldier, he's all fuckin' in.
Zola in the computer also really gave me a hardcore Lovecraft "Whisperer in Darkness" vibe, which made it all the more creepy and upsetting.
I seriously disagree with this. If anything, the extended universe is what provided all of the "stakes" in this movie and those that come after. I mean, this movie basically resulted in SHIELD being replaced by HYDRA, with HYDRA having all of SHIELD's tech/discoveries/etc. That's insane, and will have ramifications across these movies for years. Same with Thor 2 (spoilers just in case, not sure what applies when):
Another case of huge ramifications that will have big effects on future movies.
Zola in the computer also really gave me a hardcore Lovecraft "Whisperer in Darkness" vibe, which made it all the more creepy and upsetting.
I seriously disagree with this. If anything, the extended universe is what provided all of the "stakes" in this movie and those that come after. I mean, this movie basically resulted in SHIELD being replaced by HYDRA, with HYDRA having all of SHIELD's tech/discoveries/etc. That's insane, and will have ramifications across these movies for years. Same with Thor 2 (spoilers just in case, not sure what applies when):
Loki is now the King of Asgard, and nobody knows it.
Is it really? Couldn't they just put the Red Skull makeup on another actor? Hugo Weaving's face was just a mask.
Well, that suit was designed by Cap's #1 fanboy so......
ratcliffja
Member
Yeah it's really sad. The suit didn't bother me that much before, but it really is awful after watching Avengers again.
He's under contract, however. I suppose they could force him, but that doesn't seem like the best approach.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Red Skull is literally the easiest person to re-cast out of all of the characters in the MCU. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Weaving shouldn't return in the role, as he would be incredibly easily recognizable as one of history's greatest war criminals.
What's the DC equivalent?
Calamari41
41 > 38
I dunno, I really like Weaving as Red Skull, I'd like to see him return.
He did a great job, no doubt, but that could be any actor under that makeup. And you would have to imagine that, for purely story reasons, Red Skull would not pick out the exact same face if he were to return and hope to fly under the radar at all. The only way Weaving-masked RS returning would work is if he showed up with Thanos' army at his back and immediately declared full-on war.
He was fantastic.I dunno, I really like Weaving as Red Skull, I'd like to see him return.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Pretty much, but that part in the JLA/Avengers Crossover was pretty hysterical when most of the ancient artifacts from both universes had little influence in either world.
Knowing he didn't "die" per se and the tesseract just teleported him thefuckknowswhere that can be a possibility.
ratcliffja
Member
Yeah Red Skull is one of the most iconic Marvel villains. It would be a shame if he never returned.
Stevetopsy
Member
Weaving was cool as Red Skull for sure, but I felt like the character didn't really do as much as he could have. I was waiting to see Cap and Skull go at it Cap vs Winter Soldier style, but instead it was just some lame laser gun fight thing until he gets sucked into some dimension.
I remember after the Matrix sequels Weaving saying he didn't want to do anymore big blockbuster film roles, and he obviously changed his mind so there's still some hope. I'd be 100% alright with them recasting the role tho. Hell, i'd have been happy if Redford had ripped off his face and become the Red Skull. I just don't want to see Red Skull thrown in the trash bin all because Weaving is too cool for superhero movies.
I remember after the Matrix sequels Weaving saying he didn't want to do anymore big blockbuster film roles, and he obviously changed his mind so there's still some hope. I'd be 100% alright with them recasting the role tho. Hell, i'd have been happy if Redford had ripped off his face and become the Red Skull. I just don't want to see Red Skull thrown in the trash bin all because Weaving is too cool for superhero movies.
I dunno, I really like Weaving as Red Skull, I'd like to see him return.
I'm holding out on him appearing in Guardians of the Galaxy thanks to being zapped into the cosmos.
I hope he changes his mind. With Cap 2 doing so well he might reconsider.
Yea Weaving right from the jump said he wasn't down with coming back to the role. Thought I remember hearing it was some sort of fallout between him and marvel and he also didn't feel comfy playing up the role especially with its Nazi attachment back in Cap 1.
As mentioned before the villian can easily be pulled off by another star, but it would have been cool having it be him
As mentioned before the villian can easily be pulled off by another star, but it would have been cool having it be him
DrForester
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Why the hell would he take the role if he had a problem with that.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
Not enough Winter Soldier in it. Design was badass and he makes a kickass villain. Surprised that I didn't pick up on him being Bucky so that was a decent surprise.
Some minor stuff bothered me but it doesn't really detract from my enjoyment of the movie itself.
One thing that did bother me that's nitpicky is the "I made an algoritm" DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN type of bullshit that happened. I know why they use that term but goddamnit it bugs me, use the word program ffs. (told you it was nitpicky)
Some minor stuff bothered me but it doesn't really detract from my enjoyment of the movie itself.
One thing that did bother me that's nitpicky is the "I made an algoritm" DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN type of bullshit that happened. I know why they use that term but goddamnit it bugs me, use the word program ffs. (told you it was nitpicky)
I hope the eventual Avengers 3 poster is a recreation of this using the actual actors from MCU.
wow. best marvel movie yet. no joke.
better than the last two iron mans, both thor movies, any hulk movie ever made, and slightly ahead of IM1, spiderman 2 and x-men first class (continuity errors not withstanding).
with regards to cap, what really shit me was how 'The Avengers' film did such a piss poor job of showing why captan america is one of the greatest heroes in the MCU, and this movie went a long way in fixing that.
make no mistake, captain america can go toe-to-toe with anyone from the MCU and come out triumphant.
not because he's stronger and more 'powerful', but because he's tactically smarter, tenacious, and ingenious with how he approaches his adversaries. he WILL find a way to beat you, it's only a matter of time.
go cap. and go chris evans for doing a good job of portraying steve rogers yet again.
one note: does FOX have some sort of copyright on the word 'mutant' or something? wtf?
better than the last two iron mans, both thor movies, any hulk movie ever made, and slightly ahead of IM1, spiderman 2 and x-men first class (continuity errors not withstanding).
with regards to cap, what really shit me was how 'The Avengers' film did such a piss poor job of showing why captan america is one of the greatest heroes in the MCU, and this movie went a long way in fixing that.
make no mistake, captain america can go toe-to-toe with anyone from the MCU and come out triumphant.
not because he's stronger and more 'powerful', but because he's tactically smarter, tenacious, and ingenious with how he approaches his adversaries. he WILL find a way to beat you, it's only a matter of time.
go cap. and go chris evans for doing a good job of portraying steve rogers yet again.
one note: does FOX have some sort of copyright on the word 'mutant' or something? wtf?
Yes
Does Winter Soldier have the best villain theme in Comic movies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJpCbyZvsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSJpCbyZvsc
Me too. Apparently the Russos actually said they're really just starting Bucky's story. I hope we get some cool scenes in the next film of him fucking up HYDRA agents and facilities. Also, I want to see Sam and Bucky fight together, they made a great team in Bru's run. Anthony Mackie literally is The Falcon from the comics, one of the greatest casting choices of all time.
Psychotic 50's Cap sounds like a great idea for the "muscle", since he was pretty damn strong as I recall.
2:20-3:00 is so badass.
This is Joss lingo. Remember, he wrote that scene. I doubt "miracle" will be a canonical term, more likely it's Joss being Joss.