CD Projekt Red explains Transgender Ad in Cyberpunk 2077

I think that sexy bodies are sexy. Full disclosure: I love female bodies. I love male bodies. I love bodies in between. This is who I am. However, I hate it when it's used commercially. And that's exactly what we want to show by doing this exactly, by showing how big corporations use people's bodies against them

Article is a lot of verbage to communicate that in this dystopian future, corporations still use sex to sell ads. It seems like a weird thing to isolate honestly, and to have this narrative about how they consciously wanted the poster to communicate that you are fighting exactly this type of corporate meddling.

Also, this quote made me remember the first cyberpunk trailer. Essentially all it was was someone holding a gun to a half naked woman's head. Sex and violence to sell something.
 
Here's a thought:

CDPR should do whatever in the Hell they want since it is their work and their game and the people that have an issue with it don't have to buy it.
 
The intent behind the ad in the first place was being laid on pretty thick if you have, I don't know, any knowledge of the Cyberpunk genera.

It's like getting offended when the token slutty chick gets murdered in an 80's slasher flick, just what the fuck did you think was going to happen?
 
Ohhhhhh, so it really was a penis then?


I'll just leave this here. Mike Pondsmith is a prophet. Mind you this was published in 1994, long before the current wave of shit hit the fan.

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Wow, that really is very prophetic.
 
Also, this quote made me remember the first cyberpunk trailer. Essentially all it was was someone holding a gun to a half naked woman's head. Sex and violence to sell something.

that was a cis white woman. somehow, they are lower on the privilege totem than a trans woman, which is a biological male dressed up as a woman. notice the complete lack of concern for the use of violence towards women.

this is why feminism is collapsing into meaninglessness. they have accepted men as women, even worse, they are prioritized in the hierarchy.
 
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That's why I'm getting the pc version and I'm sure some modders will put out a mod getting rid of all trans ads.
 
There was no need for an explanation in the first place.

Excusatio non petita.

There is a reason for it. It better informs us gamers about the universe or world of CyberPunk 2077. I like the transparency.
 
I think the in-game ad is great and totally belongs to CP2077. It's just what she said and her wording that feels a little SJWish.

Which is the one and only fear I have about this game.

Maybe they just hired a translator to communicate directly to the NPCs in a language they understand?
 
They didn't have to explain themselves honestly, they had no obligation to explain this.

It's a shame CDPR felt the need to explain the themes of the game directly to these people. Imagine actually wanting to spoil the experience of exploring the rich and fascinating themes of the game for yourself. All because you're so ideologically possessed, being incapable or unwilling to open your mind to nuance. That's one of the many pleasures of gaming, at least for me. It's an exploration of a wealth of concepts and human fictions. It can serve both as escapism and deeper exploration of issues in reality; and I don't believe we can truly do the latter in a "safe space." Imagine if our ancestors stayed in their safe spaces. Where would our species even be today? Where would human civilization be?

Cyberpunk as a literary genre has and continues to be a vehicle to explore many of these persisting ideas and human fictions. With many of them becoming ever more relevant with each new generation. Technology, morality, ideologies, philosophies, sexuality, mortality, anthropology, ecology, the list goes on. Getting to have the experience of playing something like Cyberpunk 2077 is something that I value; not simply because of its entertainment value, but also for the opportunity to explore and become an active participant.

Gaming has come a long way as a form of entertainment, arguably even more so as a legitamate medium for storytelling and artistic expression. It's unlike any other media or medium that came before it, yet it's a culmination of so many amazing elements. Although much like films or books, some games will inevitably have endure the wave of controversy that comes with the territory of challenging old ideas with new ideas, or bad idea with good ideas. That's how freedom of expression works, right? Some of these very same people pay so much lip service to virtues of liberty, but are the first to undermine those very same principles.

I'm very much looking forward to playing this game. It could potentially be masterpiece, or maybe it ends up a completely letting down. I don't fucking know, but point is I'm keeping an open mind. If/and when I have any criticisms for CDPR's creative and design decisions, at very least I'll have a legitimate experience to draw from. No bias,, no preconceived notions, and I'll be able to form my very own opinion instead of needing to completely rely on that of others. Assuming they have informed opinions to begin with.
 
this is something i fully expected with a Cyberpunk game. Cyberpunk is all about a world of degeneracy and depression; if anything im surprised the SJW crowd isnt outraged by the inclusion of transexuals in this setting.
 
Can someone explain what is supposedly "offensive" about the image? Does the LBGTQ community not consider trans representation a good thing?
 
Can someone explain what is supposedly "offensive" about the image? Does the LBGTQ community not consider trans representation a good thing?
No don't think that.

The people who are upset are the usual suspects. They don't speak for the LBGTQ or anyone other than themselves, even tho they don't see it that way. Their hobby is outrage.
 
I have no problem with it apart from how stupid it looks.

It looks like it was drawn by someone who's only experience with the male anatomy is the one hidden in the drawer beside the bed.
 
I have no problem with it apart from how stupid it looks.

It looks like it was drawn by someone who's only experience with the male anatomy is the one hidden in the drawer beside the bed.

I would assume, in the world of Cyberpunk if you were getting a piece attached maybe you'd want it to be a device that is designed for optimal stimulation? Maybe?
 
This didn't answer any of my questions, such as:
  • Why is the dick backwards?
  • Why does this "person" have a penis but no testicles?
  • How is the cloth hugging so tightly to the boner?
  • Is it just me or is that dick pretty big? (maybe my dick is small idk)
  • Why would they show a boner in a soda ad? Like I get what they were going for "sexualization marketing" blah blah but like, that's not how it works. Seeing actual genitals actively takes away my appetite for food and drink. Seeing a sexy woman on a soda ad might be effective, but putting her labia on display would probably make people shy away from your product.
 
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A reasonable and well explained response from CDPR. It is their world and it shows how they are giving great attention to detail.

Any time you need a mod edit on the OP about these kinds of topics tells you they're trying to control the narrative right off the bat.

This what i find it funny in there, how the mods tell you what opnion you should have on the threads.

This is one of the reasons Neogaf is better, imagine if this very thread had a mod edit like this: "CDPR is clearly right in this, so please do not disagree with CDPR in this as their response already explained everything" And anyone that posted otherwise was banned?

This is just an bad example i made of how it works there, especially in these mod edited threads.
 
This didn't answer any of my questions, such as:
  • Why is the dick backwards?
  • Why does this "person" have a penis but no testicles?
  • How is the cloth hugging so tightly to the boner?
  • Is it just me or is that dick pretty big? (maybe my dick is small idk)
  • Why would they show a boner in a soda ad? Like I get what they were going for "sexualization marketing" blah blah but like, that's not how it works. Seeing actual genitals actively takes away my appetite for food and drink. Seeing a sexy woman on a soda ad might be effective, but putting her labia on display would probably make people shy away from your product.
 
This didn't answer any of my questions, such as:
  • Why is the dick backwards?
  • Why does this "person" have a penis but no testicles?
  • How is the cloth hugging so tightly to the boner?
  • Is it just me or is that dick pretty big? (maybe my dick is small idk)
  • Why would they show a boner in a soda ad? Like I get what they were going for "sexualization marketing" blah blah but like, that's not how it works. Seeing actual genitals actively takes away my appetite for food and drink. Seeing a sexy woman on a soda ad might be effective, but putting her labia on display would probably make people shy away from your product.
* in the future most people circumcise 2.0 their penis the top gets swapped backwards for even better hygiene and sexual stimulans
* after years of consuming soy men have lost their balls due evolution.
* cyberskin or just stretchy fabric
* your dick is just small
* not having a dick in the future is forbidden everyone is a trap.
 
That's what they do:
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When they feel they're about to get caught they just problematize whatever seems to be good for some obscure reason (it's pretty surprising to complain about the objectification of a model, and make it a problem BECAUSE they are from a "victimized" group).

I mean, what kind of person appears as "a full human being" on a billboard? The real solution is to not display humans (or animals, I wouldn't want to be called a specist - whatever the real word is), you know, just to be on the safe side. I am sure that if they showed this person in a more "complete" setting, they would have been called out as either too stereotypical or not representative of the group. this happens all the time - The dev should not have elevated the question from the "journalist" by acknowledging that they heard it.

Also, I find the advert pretty neat.
 
Trans person: Why aren't there more transgender characters in games?

CDP: In our most hyped game, here's an image of a trans character (on a poster)

Trans person: Why are you putting a transgender person in the game?
 
I would assume, in the world of Cyberpunk if you were getting a piece attached maybe you'd want it to be a device that is designed for optimal stimulation? Maybe?

It makes no sense apart from "LOOK AT MY BIG FAKE DICK". Which is obviously what they were going for. Which again, i have no problem with.

Honestly, it looks like someone who quickly stashed away a dildo they just stole from a sex shop.
 
I don't think the most likely explanation is that CDPR felt the need to explain. Polygon probably approached them and they chose to address the issue by letting them have a chat with the designer in question.

The gang of Stalinists running Resetera made sure there's a Party-approved explanation that revolves around CDPR's alleged history of mishandling the representation of minorities . A few brilliant mods there met and white smoke came out of the papal chimney and now fresh official dogma has been issued and whoever dares to question it will face excommunication.

These testicleless cowards won't ever enter the open marketplace of ideas because theirs wouldn't last a round of rational inquiry. So they've built these glass domes patrolled by the most zealous guards, where they just win by default, by official decree.

Hopefully, Cyberpunk will sell in historic numbers, so that the irrelevance and lack of substance of these screechy voices will become self-evident and others will be motivated to ignore them up until the day they actually make a sound rational argument.
 
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Man this whole talk about "the LGBTQ community" is so dumb. The LGBTQ community is no monolithic block and the vast majority doesn't give a shit about video game drama. They are normal people who happen to not compete with you for the things they want to fuck and want to be left alone as long nobody tries to kill them or is negating them basic rights. This whole "LGBTQ does this and that" just gives them a bad rep. And those fedora incels at resetera are doing more damage then helping.


PS: I like how cdpr creamed the answer in their faces with a strong gay woman :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
This didn't answer any of my questions, such as:
  • Why is the dick backwards?
  • Why does this "person" have a penis but no testicles?
  • How is the cloth hugging so tightly to the boner?
  • Is it just me or is that dick pretty big? (maybe my dick is small idk)
  • Why would they show a boner in a soda ad? Like I get what they were going for "sexualization marketing" blah blah but like, that's not how it works. Seeing actual genitals actively takes away my appetite for food and drink. Seeing a sexy woman on a soda ad might be effective, but putting her labia on display would probably make people shy away from your product.

Let's seeeeeeeeeee...
The whole picture could be an allegory for narcissism and consumerism :
  • It looks backwards to hint a self-pleasuring. That's also why it is so ridiculously long. If its purpose was to pleasure others it would be larger ; being long's only benefit is efforts- & thrills-less self-insertion. This also gives the expression "head up your ass" a whole new meaning.
  • Penis = fun. Balls = responsibility. That's why you'll never see testicles on the wish-lists of the future. "Consume, consume, consume, don't worry about consequences !"
  • The cloth hugs so tightly to illustrate the need for constant and uninterrupted validation & instant-gratification provided by friction. It might also poke at the ongoing paradox of people requesting more and more rights for exposition whilst simultaneously complaining about the extra irritability/sensibility that comes along ; "Please look at me / DON'T LOOK AT ME !". This also explores the millennia old question regarding existential dread : "if I cease to be triggered, do I still exist ?"
  • Yes, this dick is ludicrously huge and was probably ordered by a customer who's never seen a real one in the first place. Another case of fantasy over reality & frustrated overcompensating (and no, don't be worried, I'm sure your white mamba's more than decently sized).
  • Dicks & sexy women are for soda cans. Labias are for hats & sea-food. Hey, don't ask me, that's marketing !
Pretty good ad and quite spot-on !

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That certain group that demanded this does realise that THIS is exactly what's gonna happen if they don't stop getting offended by anything and everything right?
 
Man this whole talk about "the LGBTQ community" is so dumb. The LGBTQ community is no monolithic block and the vast majority doesn't give a shit about video game drama. They are normal people who happen to not compete with you for the things they want to fuck and want to be left alone as long nobody tries to kill them or is negating them basic rights. This whole "LGBTQ does this and that" just gives them a bad rep. And those fedora incels at resetera are doing more damage then helping.


PS: I like how cdpr creamed the answer in their faces with a strong gay woman :messenger_tears_of_joy:

But that's the argument the lunatics are currently waging.

That if CDPR wanted to introduce Trans themes they should have consulted with the Trans community and have 4 or 5 Trans people screening them scenes and nodding their heads in disapproval or reluctantly vouching for them. Apparently, the trans community holds monolithic opinions on Trans issues. Apparently, if you're Trans, black or gay, you forfeit your individuality and can only think in ways that have ben allotted to the group you've been arbitrarily pigeonholed into.

No one else outside the Trans community is allowed to think critically about trans issues and representation. That privilege belongs to trans people alone, according to Trans activists. How dare non-Trans people use their faculties to engage in rational debate about Trans issues?

Same with every other minority, presumably. So CDPR would have to host a global summit and beg for mercy and forgiveness and approval from [non-elected] representatives of all of these communities. Again, let's not forget. Once you've been deemed a member of a minority, what you are allowed to think has already been pre-determined. And because the tenebrous concept of representation caught traction, only members of these groups are allowed to have a say on how said groups are represented.

These people are after power. They want a foot in the door.
Hopefully, a collective middle finger to them shall come in the shape of colossal sales.
 
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