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[Lonestar]

Winston is free and clear ciminally. I think they are going after the police and state's attorney for botching the case. It is silly that we are supposed to believe two affidavits, provided by friends of the accused, taken 11 months later, as exculpatory. One of which confesses to a couple of crimes

not free and clear permanently. This isn't a double jeopardy situation, they just "didn't have enough to go ahead with a trial" at the time.

Now, if the process of showing tampering on the TPD/Hospital/Megg's part, will lead to more "provable evidence" of the rape, then yeah, charges could be filed. Look at the Zimmerman case, where he was not charged multiple times, until they finally charged him with murder.

 

[squicken]

not free and clear permanently. This isn't a double jeopardy situation, they just "didn't have enough to go ahead with a trial" at the time.

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Yeah that could always happen if some big piece of evidence comes up. I guess I just think it will always be he said she said and the police let too much evidence and testimony slip away by not acting properly at first. I didn't see the conference today, but if the redacted info is as her lawyer claims, that is really ugly

 

[Balphon]

We may have to vacate the title of this thread.

 

[andycapps]

We may have to vacate the title of this thread.

I always thought that not having it spelled with "Jameis Hei$man" was a missed opportunity.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I never liked the title anyway and I demand it be changed.

 

[Yaboosh]

We may have to vacate the title of this thread.

Yeah, now that we know that TPD, the state's attorney, two different labs, the phone company, the accuser's friends, and maybe a few others I am missing are all involved in a cover up, we should totally change the title.

 

[pxleyes]

Tallahassee is one corrupt town.

 

[Yaboosh]

Tallahassee is one corrupt town.

UF is involved now.

 

[pxleyes]

UF is involved now.

you wish

 

[Balphon]

Yeah, now that we know that TPD, the state's attorney, two different labs, the phone company, the accuser's friends, and maybe a few others I am missing are all involved in a cover up, we should totally change the title.

You say that as if it were preposterous, and as if the complicity of all those entities were required.

 

[andycapps]

Agreed. "GATA" should be singular.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Agreed. "GATA" should be singular.

LSU sucks!

 

[Kevtones]

Can't wait for the 'how much you've overcome' question when it's posed to Jameis.




Cognitive dissonance sucks.

 

[Yaboosh]

I think that she legitimately thinks she is raped, that she has a crappy lawyer that is in over her head and desperately trying to keep the case open by grasping at straws with conspiracy theories.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

I'd like to believe that his teammates wouldn't cover up an actual rape, that they'd put their humanity over whatever allegiance they have to their friend.

Since I live on planet Earth, I should know better than to assume that's what actually happened.

 

[Yaboosh]

But she somehow wasn't really? How does that work?

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You are right. Sorry. Rape is a completely black and white issue that is always clear for all involved. It is impossible for the participants to think differently about what happened without one of them being a liar.

 

[BertramCooper]

I think that she legitimately thinks she is raped, that she has a crappy lawyer that is in over her head and desperately trying to keep the case open by grasping at straws with conspiracy theories.

So she wasn't raped, but has now convinced herself she was raped?

 

[Yaboosh]

So she wasn't raped, but has now convinced herself she was raped?

Holy shit dude.

 

[BertramCooper]

Holy shit dude.

That's what I gathered from your post.

How can she think she was raped if she wasn't?

 

[Lonestar]

That's what I gathered from your post.

How can she think she was raped if she wasn't?

Me too.

 

[Yaboosh]

That's what I gathered from your post.

How can she think she was raped if she wasn't?

Where in my post did I even say she wasn't raped?


But yes, I think that it is possible for a person to accuse another of rape and be wrong legally without being a liar.

I am not saying that is what happened here because I don't fucking know what happened here.

All I am saying is that to think Winston is innocent you don't have to think the accuser is a lying slut. And to think the accuser isn't a liar doesn't mean that Winston is a rapist.


At this point, I am simply giving the benefit of the doubt to both of them. And that her lawyer is horrible and she should seek better counsel.

 

[mre]

You are right. Sorry. Rape is a completely black and white issue that is always clear for all involved. It is impossible for the participants to think differently about what happened without one of them being a liar.

Sarcasm aside, not only is it possible for the participants to think differently about what happened without one of them being a liar, it's also possible for the participants to think differently about what happened and have one of them be guilty of rape.

 

[Meier]

She also claimed that she was only tested for Alcohol, not drugs, perhaps implying ghb?

I read the report that TPD put out after the decision and they tested her urine for drugs including GHB and none were present.

Edit: Page 57 of the report...

REFERENCE:
This report references the following evidence submitted to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on January 17, 2013 by Specialist Joann Houston. This report may contain conclusions, opinions, and/or interpretations made by the author.

EVIDENCE:
FDLE Item#
4 Blood Specimen
4C Urine Specimen

RESULTS:
4 This specimen was not analyzed for drugs.
4C No drugs were identified.

REMARKS:
This case was analyzed for the following: amphetamines, antidepressants, antihistamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, cannabinoids, carisoprodol, cocaine, GHB, methadone, opiates, oxycodone, propoxyphene, and other drugs.

The exhibit(s) in this case will be returned to the submitting agency.

Questions regarding this report should be addressed to: leandrahigginbotham@fdle.state fl.us.

Edit: I read an article on ESPN.. she apparently didn't trust the validity of the urine and says she wanted her blood to be tested for the drugs. From my understanding, drug testing of blood is very rare -- urine testing is far more accurate and is typical.

 

[Lonestar]

that's why I wrote "they claim." If they somehow present evidence, will be the deciding factor, and they have seemingly gone with "tampering"


Onto relevant, topic title news:

Florida announced that six offensive players -- sophomore tight end Kent Taylor, true freshman quarterback Max Staver, redshirt freshman fullback Rhaheim Ledbetter and offensive linemen Quinteze Williams, freshman offensive lineman Trevon Young, and junior offensive lineman Ian Silberman -- will transfer.

So, Gata guys, tell us, any of these players potentially meaningful?

 

[bachikarn]

So, Gata guys, tell us, any of these players potentially meaningful?

Not really. Kent Taylor was like the #1 TE, but never gained much weight and allegedly was not a hard worker. Silberman is weird because he was a RSJR OL, and our OL depth sucks, but he also wasn't very good. The rest were eh.

 

[Lonestar]

then, nice going. Opens up room for early enrollee's, if you guys are in position for any.

 

[zyxwvu4321]

Texas AD Steve Patterson on Mack Brown: "Hopefully we get together & get to work together for many years to come"

Mack Brown: Coach for Life.

 

[bucknuticus]

Wow. RT @BoySpartan: Since 1905 UM has won 12 games once and 11 games twice. MSU has done that in the last 4 years.

 

[theprodigy]

Wow. RT @BoySpartan: Since 1905 UM has won 12 games once and 11 games twice. MSU has done that in the last 4 years.

oh wow
how's your Buckeyes on that front

 

[bucknuticus]

oh wow
how's your Buckeyes on that front

7, 11 or 12 win seasons since 2000 just looking back a bit

 

[theprodigy]

7, 11 or 12 win seasons since 2000 just looking back a bit

yeah but it's not an SEC SEC SEC schedule so you might as well be even with UM lately



(lolmichigan)

although to be fair, Michigan has 3 11 win seasons (1971, 1986, 2006)

 

[Balphon]

Wow. RT @BoySpartan: Since 1905 UM has won 12 games once and 11 games twice. MSU has done that in the last 4 years.

3 minutes of Wikipedia research tells me that Michigan (and presumably the rest of the Big Ten schools) didn't even play a 12 game season until 1971.

Still lopsided, just less so.

That, or the wiki is wrong. But that's impossible, right?

 

[bucknuticus]

3 minutes of Wikipedia research tells me that Michigan (and presumably the rest of the Big Ten schools) didn't even play a 12 game season until 1971.

Still lopsided, just less so.

That, or the wiki is wrong. But that's impossible, right?

Just did some research an UM numbers are higher than what's listed on the tweet.

If we can't trust twitter what can we can we trust these days?!

 

[perfectchaos007]

Geoff Ketchum ‏@gkketch 6m
A source tells OB that one of the most prominent high school coaches in the state was informed in the last hour that Mack is staying.


I hope he is booed like crazy at the Alamo bowl. Knowing the clueless fans that showed up to the alamo bowl last year, they won't. This is going to be a shitty offseason

 

[zyxwvu4321]

Add apparently Saban has signed that big extension with Bama. Going to be a boring offseason. :-(

 

[theprodigy]

3 minutes of Wikipedia research tells me that Michigan (and presumably the rest of the Big Ten schools) didn't even play a 12 game season until 1971.

Still lopsided, just less so.

That, or the wiki is wrong. But that's impossible, right?

yeah I wiki checked it too, it's sort of cheating
but still, only 4 11+ win seasons since then and one since 2000, as bucknuticus mentioned OSU has 7 since 2000 and 12 in the same period (ok I looked up the 2nd number myself)

Just did some research an UM numbers are higher than what's listed on the tweet.

If we can't trust twitter what can we can we trust these days?!

Wikipedia says 1 12-win season (1997), 3 11-win seasons (1971, 1986, 2006), I'm going with that

eh my team has 6 11+ win seasons from 2000 onwards, not bad eh

 

[squicken]

Kirk Herbstreit ‏@KirkHerbstreit
Breaking News....Nick Saban has agreed to a multi year contract extension to STAY at Alabama! Details to come out soon!!

All b/c of a Longhorns banquet

 

[pxleyes]

Our national nightmare is over.

 

[perfectchaos007]

All b/c of a Longhorns banquet

Mack must have won over Patterson with a political stump speech. Bama was informed Mack was staying at Texas and Saban signed the extension. That's what it sounds like and I hate life

 

[bucknuticus]

Our national nightmare is over.

Sadly the nation of Texas' is still on going

 

[Randolph Freelander]

The stars at night are big and.... how many 0s is that? Sweet Home Alabama!

 

[squicken]

There isn't a Banderas GIF around that could convey my happiness of Mack staying at UT

 

[theprodigy]

4 11-win seasons, since they also had 11 in 2011. Lotta 10-win seasons though.

And Mich St's 2 11-win seasons in the last four years are also their only 11-win seasons in school history.

So it's a cute zing, but doesn't mean much.

oh I missed one
huh

also since we're playing this game, Stanford has had 4 straight 11+ win seasons!
lol

 

[cashman]

Mack Brown is a fucking cockroach. Not rooting for another Texas win until he's fired.

 

[theprodigy]

Mack Brown is a fucking cockroach. Not rooting for another Texas win until he's fired.

won't believe it until you show us a pic of you wearing Oregon stuff

 

[squicken]

$9.95 don't buy what it used to

 

[Karakand]

Mack Brown is a BCS national championship winning coach. Many programs would want a coach with his history of success.

Spoiler

BRING ON THE "NEUTRAL" SITE GAME IN DALLAS.

 

[Limedust]

Looks like we'll pick back up on Saban to Texas next fall.

 

[Lonestar]

 

[perfectchaos007]

Looks like we'll pick back up on Saban to Texas next fall.

How long was Sabans extension?