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That was a very costly mistake. What a dumbass
I like making a whole day event out of it, though. Also I'm usually too hungover/tired to do anything later on in the day, regardless of when the game starts.
Jesus, that's really harsh. Certainly sets an example though.
Affeinvasion
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I would say that even in the span of two years, the public sentiment towards concussions has changed significantly. Two years ago we didn't even have ejections for targeting yet.
That seems unnecessary. Discipline him some other way.
He committed a crime by trespassing onto the field. I have seen football players have their scholarships revoked for less.
Affeinvasion
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I agree. A university's charge is to educate young people who inevitably make mistakes. Universities as businesses though are all about finding ways to increase their bottom line.
BertramCooper
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A lot of scholarships have ethical guidelines a student must follow.
College-aged kids undoubtedly make mistakes, but they also have to learn that mistakes like that have consequences.
It's not like he's being expelled. I'd say it's a fair punishment - at least from the university. He obviously still has to deal with the legal stuff.
College-aged kids undoubtedly make mistakes, but they also have to learn that mistakes like that have consequences.
It's not like he's being expelled. I'd say it's a fair punishment - at least from the university. He obviously still has to deal with the legal stuff.
Our culture is far too punitive and vindictive.
He didn't hurt anyone, and I'm sure he could have learned his lesson some other way.
Of course you don't want to encourage kids to run on the field, but there has to be some kind of middle ground between doing nothing and potentially putting this kid in student loan debt for decades after he graduates.
Make him do some janitorial work on campus.
Affeinvasion
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Yeah probation plus a ton of community service is perfectly appropriate for a first time offense (assuming this is a first time offense...if not then whatever).
BertramCooper
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He's 21, meaning he probably has only a year or two left of undergrad.
He won't have that much loan debt.
oh, it's only a 20-30k a year fine, thats all. IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S BEING SENT OFF TO THE U OF MICHIGAN INTERNMENT CAMP.
And to be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't well heeled and his family could easily afford it.
President Sweater Vest of Youngstown state is willing to take him in.
Lots of assumptions being made.
Maybe he's an engineering student on a 5-year graduation track, or maybe he has a double major? Not uncommon among those who are bright enough to be on full scholarship in the first place.
And even if his family is "well heeled," it's still a lot of money to pay out of pocket. The punishment is disproportionate to the "crime."
I think the crime is actually rather serious, the Monica Seles incident, Tom Gomboa getting beat up on the field.
If I were to be lenient it would on the criminal case, but I don't blame Ohio State for doing what they did what they did with the scholarship.
BertramCooper
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The crime is very serious. I don't know why you're putting quotation marks around the word crime, suggesting that it's somehow barely a crime at all.
You don't run onto the playing surface at a public sporting event. You don't leap onto the stage at a Broadway musical. Serious stuff has happened when people have done shit like this. People have been severely injured and killed.
Our justice system is far too punitive; you're correct on that point. But college disciplinary procedures, as we've recently found, often aren't punitive enough.
The punishment from the university is fine. Expelling him would have been overkill. Yanking his scholarship is totally appropriate.
perfectchaos007
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Being neckslamed by a conditioning coach in front of millions should have counted towards his punishment imo
The crime isn't stabbing a player, or beating up a coach. The crime is trespassing on the field.
The situation was handled without anyone getting hurt. He wasn't armed as far as I know. He'll surely face normal legal consequences which are bad enough. I don't see the reason to compound it.
Reasonable people can disagree on this. I just think the equivalent of a fine in the tens of thousands of dollars in addition to whatever legal consequences he'll face is overkill.
Website of the scholarship that he was removed from.
http://www.wgaesf.org/site/c.dwJTKiO0JgI8G/b.6021361/k.8BED/WGAESF_Home.htm
http://www.wgaesf.org/site/c.dwJTKiO0JgI8G/b.6021361/k.8BED/WGAESF_Home.htm
BertramCooper
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It's not a fine. He lost his scholarship.
Again, scholarships often have guidelines attached to them. If you fall below a certain GPA, you'll probably lose your scholarship. If you commit a certain offense, you risk losing your scholarship.
The scholarship was a privilege that he once earned that he has now lost.
And he was an Evans scholar, so I guess it wasn't a university punishment after all.
I didn't say it was a fine, I said it was the *equivalent* of a fine. The money for tuition will have to come from somewhere else now.
Like I said earlier, reasonable people can disagree. The stunt seemed, and ultimately was, harmless. A victimless crime.
BertramCooper
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If you accept money from an organization for your education, you agree to play by their rules.
He almost certainly broke their rules, so they aren't giving him any more money. They're not billing him for the money they already gave him; they just aren't giving him any more of it.
Again, I think it's perfectly reasonable for Evans Scholars to do this.
Which is why I would be lenient on the the criminal case, but I understand why the Evans scholarship foundation would not want to be linked with such behavior.
Here's my pov, why should I feel especially sorry for this guy when there's been plenty of students who have to suffer through 4/5 years of oppressive student loans while this guy has to suffer 1 or 2 the most and they have never done something as stupid as this?
He's been confirmed to be a fourth year engineering student so Bert's assumption was pretty solid. (where mine wasn't an assumption but more of a wild guess).
Sirpopopop
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I never argued that the organization didn't have the right to take away his scholarship, and I understand why they did (although it's not at all surprising that the scholarship is given out by country club types who wouldn't want "unseemly" behavior tarnishing their reputation).
It just seems like overkill to me.
It just seems like overkill to me.
I'm picturing you with your thumbs tucked behind your suspenders and giving them a little outward tug for emphasis as you say the word "unseemly."
Is Steve Politi going to make up a story of me trespassing on a high school field 20 years ago and accuse me of being a monster that even repulses Sandusky?
Anyway, Greg Webb to Rutgers is official. If Darius Hamilton comes back and Turay continues get better, Rutgers will have a monstrous dline next year.
bucknuticus
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He's a senior engineering student, so at least its only one year
devildog820
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I wouldn't worry too much.
theprodigy
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So are there any LSU or Auburn fans here with a 3DS? 
Big 10 gets to suck at two things at once now
So are there any LSU or Auburn fans here with a 3DS?
Big 10 gets to suck at two things at once now
Nintendo knows it's all about dat SEC SEC SEC!
Vanillalite
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So are there any LSU or Auburn fans here with a 3DS?
Big 10 gets to suck at two things at once now
Maybe Cyan?
bucknuticus
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OH YEAH! Well the worlds biggest smoker came to last weeks game! and it had history channel stuff all over it so there!!!
*Insert big 10 and history channel joke here*
*Insert big 10 and history channel joke here*
GoldenEye 007
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He can still apply for other financial aid like through FAFSA and see where he's at. Wouldn't necessarily have to come out of pocket. It'll also show if the parents are able to assist or not.
This is all standard stuff for student conduct review boards or scholarship committees.
I can't tell you the last game I played on my iPhone.
bucknuticus
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I can. fairway solitaire. 20 minutes ago. on the toilet. at work.
That's what Neogaf and Twitter are for.
bucknuticus
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Neogaf and twitter are at desk things.
Supporting fellow Gaffers. *High Five* I never played it, but bought it for the wife.
As far as gaming on my phone, I think I have temple run 2 for the kids to play when we're stuck someplace like the doctor's office.
bucknuticus
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got some game from those starbucks cards called Bicolor, its not awful.
So are there any LSU or Auburn fans here with a 3DS?
Big 10 gets to suck at two things at once now
Well what do you expect when they chose such flop games to go to? Also B1G West got shafted.
I may go to the one in Ann Arbor though. There was a fairly healthy melee scene here when I was in college.
NEOPARADIGM
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I play a lot of Zynga NLH Poker.