Thirty7ven
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Actually it should, there are two managers and two assistant managers. This isn’t hard.
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Champions League Football (soccer) match suspended because the 4th official referred to someone as "the black guy"
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Actually it should, there are two managers and two assistant managers. This isn’t hard.
Schrödinger's cat
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I appreciate
Thirty7ven
crashing and burning in this thread. It's getting colder outside and the flames are comforting.
Thirty7ven
crashing and burning in this thread. It's getting colder outside and the flames are comforting.
notseqi
Member
What should? If something 'should', but 'isn't', it isn't.
Why would the replacement referee, called upon by the referee to remove a guy from the field, need to know the name of anyone?
Why are you trying your shit rhetoric on me?
Thirty7ven
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They should know the names of the managers and assistant managers.
All you are trying to find are excuses for why something is meaningless. To the point where now football officials are excused for referring to to somebody as the black guy because all they need to know is how to blow a whistle.
I’m using my shit rhetoric because I can. Put me on ignore if you can’t deal with it.
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Very cringe. You would actually fit at ree really well, the only thing separating you from the people over there is on which side of the fence you sit. You act like one of them. And you always need strength in numbers. Weak, like them.
Gang up all you want, this is the internet. That shit only works on fragile dudes.
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notseqi
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Nah, I'll follow your career with interest.
He's not a black guy. Got it.
Thirty7ven
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It’s bad decorum and the tone of his skin shouldn’t be his primary characteristic. This isn’t hard at all.
notseqi
Member
It's the unique identifier across similarly dressed men. This isn't hard at all.
borborygmus
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It's not a value judgment. It's a visual description.
Thirty7ven
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If you’re in a rush, I can see your point. But if you have more than two seconds to identify someone then it doesn’t make sense. If you’re a match official and you can’t bother to know or address an assistant manager either by his post or name, then you’re sleeping on the job. This is the champions league, not the Mickey Mouse league
It’s unwanted and out of place in this context. Get with the times.
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borborygmus
Member
You keep going back to "the times" AKA "right side of history" where pandering manipulators are the good guys and everyone else is a bad guy. I hate to break it to you but this does not have the widespread acceptance you like to pretend it has.
Thirty7ven
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The teams walked off, the game postponed. The decision was supported by big names of the sport, colleagues and tv commentators. Sounds like widespread acceptance to me. In fact all you are doing is counter programming.
Not painting anyone as either bad or good.
borborygmus
Member
Celebrities and the press don't make the times, try as they might. Don't be fooled by social media censorship into thinking this ridiculous behavior reflects the majority of people.
Thirty7ven
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Depends on where you live. If you think this is just a social media thing, maybe your environment reflects your perspective.
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notseqi
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We'd be crucified by the wokesters. Calling a mate a bloody spastic for not being able to retain a high pass repeatedly is nothing unusual.
No country for woke men.
Not if you live on the internet. Do you even play football/soccer?
Thirty7ven
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Wanna play? Pes 2021, PlayStation, let’s do it. 2020 will do fine too, but I have to download it again. Don’t know if it has crossplay.
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Stiflers Mom
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Do you actually know any black people personally or are you just that little white person I imagine you to be furiously typing to promote your sjw bullshit.
Pretend to have a big internet penis all you want, I know your type.
If you'd actually had any black friends they would laugh at you for that bullshit you are defending here
notseqi
Member
I'm the aforementioned spastic when it comes to playing on a controller, I prefer LARPing as a soccer player.
Thirty7ven
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See there you go with the overly aggressive, trying to compensate for something attitude.
I doubt you know much of anything at all.
Oh well, I also love playing football but unfortunately it has become harder and harder to organize matches as people grow old, jobs and family take over. I play maybe three times a year if I’m lucky. Half of the time it’s us complaining the kids are getting faster and faster.
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Stiflers Mom
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Sounds scared.
Seems my last post hit home too hard if this is all you can reply.
So we got that usual little white boy keyboard warrior here who is not even friends with any black people but thinks he needs to tell other people how they have to talk or they are 'racists'.
Grow up son, travel a bit around the world, get some perspective and then come back when you are ready to discuss with the grown ups.
Lord Thunderbear
Member
Says the one who came here with blazing guns and without even knowing what happened.
And by the way, no, referees aren't required to know the names of the team staffs...as usually there is no need to know them to start with.
I don't think they're required to recognize players either - since names and numbers are clearly visible on their attire.
If there was such a need they could change the rules and make it so the staff has to use shirts with names as well, but it's not how it works so far.
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Foamy
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Thirty7ven
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Pathetic. But lovely, because it’s cute how mad you are. Pathetically cute, which is adorable.
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RedVIper
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Negro literally means black in a lot of languages, it's usually more respectful than using the word associated with the color black, even if they mean the same thing.
RedVIper
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Would you be equally upset if the referee had called someone latino instead?
Schrödinger's cat
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When you can't argue your way out of the embarrassing self-made hole of shitty engagement with integrity and honesty..
..just make sure everyone can see you double down on those deficiencies when the proof is laid bare!
Thirty7ven
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Would be very out of place in Europe.
RedVIper
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Fine, would you have cared if he called someone white? Nobody gives a shit when we call people white.
Slings and Arrows
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You're right, my bad. BRB off to chill with Jesus, Nero and some dinosaurs. Damn, this Dodo burger is over done.
History is in the past, which is static.
So, what does history have to do with some fella, identifying another fella by his characteristics?
Noboru Wataya
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TIL there are no black guys.
Stiflers Mom
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As if that little sjw weasel cares about anything else than getting some warm love by
TaySan
when they have their annual animaaay figurine congress at their mom's tits.
Johnny Silver
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The privileged class. The untouchable group. Above and immune to all scrutiny
Johnny Silver
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What problem is there in using the word "black" to describe a person? Especially if that is a characteristic that help that distinguishes that person from the remaining others?
When the word is used, there is no ill intent, a normal person using it is not thinking of a negative racial connotation, they are just using it as a descriptive tool. The irony here is the sjw who insinuate that it's racist to use such a word in an identification context, but once again, through projection, it says more about the racism of sjw than of other people. It is sjw who are constantly thinking in terms of race and attributing all importance to it.
The word black or negro or niger only holds a negative connotation to those that think in terms of race, as long as you obsessively worry about such words, they will hold power over you.
The word black in many european languages is said as a variation of the word "negro", and the irony here is that this is the politically correct version of the word on europe. To use the literal word "black" or "preto" such as in portuguese or spanish, would be interpreted as a derogatory term and a racial slur.
So no, the world isn't just the small bubble the sjws live in.
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When the word is used, there is no ill intent, a normal person using it is not thinking of a negative racial connotation, they are just using it as a descriptive tool. The irony here is the sjw who insinuate that it's racist to use such a word in an identification context, but once again, through projection, it says more about the racism of sjw than of other people. It is sjw who are constantly thinking in terms of race and attributing all importance to it.
The word black or negro or niger only holds a negative connotation to those that think in terms of race, as long as you obsessively worry about such words, they will hold power over you.
The word black in many european languages is said as a variation of the word "negro", and the irony here is that this is the politically correct version of the word on europe. To use the literal word "black" or "preto" such as in portuguese or spanish, would be interpreted as a derogatory term and a racial slur.
So no, the world isn't just the small bubble the sjws live in.
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Azurro
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It is a visual description, amongst similarly dressed people. Who cares? Get over it, people are oversensitive.
Mokus
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Worth pointing out that from the turkish bench can be heard that they are insulting the romanians by calling them "gypsies". This is before the main incident. Throughout Europe, often romanians are insulted/associated with the gypsy slur although it's not true at all.
Of course the 4th referee's poor choice of words is condemnable but he didn't meant to be racist. On the other hand the turkish team was way more out of the line by insulting the referee (and romanians in the same time).
Of course the 4th referee's poor choice of words is condemnable but he didn't meant to be racist. On the other hand the turkish team was way more out of the line by insulting the referee (and romanians in the same time).
Negru = black
manfestival
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I haven't read nor do I plan on reading
Thirty7ven
's post history but basing things off of his posts. He is white.
Thirty7ven
's post history but basing things off of his posts. He is white.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Makes sense. Soccer players the biggest wimps out there. I'm sure they all called each other names growing up playing sport, but in modern age act like a wimp to get pity points.
Check out this beauty clip from 30 years ago. Real players. And refs didnt give a shit.
Check out this beauty clip from 30 years ago. Real players. And refs didnt give a shit.
Hazzard4life
Member
It was unprofessional of the ref, however, footballers have their names on their shirts. I'm sure he can we read his name.
notseqi
Member
Assistant managers don't wear those kind of shirts. He was going to be sent off the field for some infraction, probably protesting too much or causing a ruckus. The fourth referee was tasked to eject the man as is his job.
What happened from then on is my speculation, he told the bench that one guy had to go and when asked which, he said 'the black (one)'. Keep in mind that they were all wearing very similar gear, uniform jackets and face masks.
Certainly wasn't an amazing thing to happen and the protest was quite alright in my book, what followed was a bit much.
cryptoadam
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Cmon guys its clear what happened.
The manager thought the guy said the N word because Negru sounds like Negro, and then when it was pointed out thats not what he heard he doubled down and pulled the race card.
And since everyone is hypersensitive and basically bullied into fear they all just walked off and fell in line like a bunch of NPCs.
The coach will never admit he was wrong in this situation. And the NPCs will just follow their scripting and pretend now that the word "black" is somehow racist and twist themselves into knots to say so.
The manager thought the guy said the N word because Negru sounds like Negro, and then when it was pointed out thats not what he heard he doubled down and pulled the race card.
And since everyone is hypersensitive and basically bullied into fear they all just walked off and fell in line like a bunch of NPCs.
The coach will never admit he was wrong in this situation. And the NPCs will just follow their scripting and pretend now that the word "black" is somehow racist and twist themselves into knots to say so.
Ktotheroc
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He wasn't a player, that's why the distinction was made. Nobody knew who he was, until it was pointed out that he was an assistant ITT
Side-note: How do people agree that race is a social construct, but when used as a social distinction, it's offensive? Shit like that makes no sense to me
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FreedomOfSpeech
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DeepBreath87
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Of course he’s white. Come on now. Very few actual black people or people in general have time for this nonsense. Imagine the privilege it takes to think it’s acceptable to walk off your job because someone called you “the black guy”. Now imagine how sad it is to defend that behavior.I haven't read nor do I plan on reading
notseqi
Member
My stance exactly. Based Barnes.How long til they call Barnes a HN or C? It's nice to see some people still have common sense and aren't afraid to speak up.
Hecaton117
Member
It's common to point out a physical characteristic for easy identification in groups if the individual in question has one that's different from everyone else in a group.
1 short person and 9 tall people = the short one
1 skinny person and 9 fat people = the skinny one
1 black person and 9 white people = the black one.
This is normal across most languages as far as I know.
The idea that this is somehow racist is propagated by those who intentionally problematize language so they can portray themselves as saviours of [insert minority group here] while not caring at all about the actual effects of their actions.
When people understandably push back against this nonsense they eagerly throw themselves into the fray and attempt to portray everyone who disagrees with them as racist/sexist/misognyst/etc. This is also why they frequently use non arguments like "right side of history"/"get with the times"/"evolution of language", because they are firmly rooted in the user's fantasy of themselves as a benevolent saviour that's here to root out all the "injustice" in the world even if they have to create it themselves.
I'm going to drop some George Carlin on this thread, as he explains the mindset better than I do.
1 short person and 9 tall people = the short one
1 skinny person and 9 fat people = the skinny one
1 black person and 9 white people = the black one.
This is normal across most languages as far as I know.
The idea that this is somehow racist is propagated by those who intentionally problematize language so they can portray themselves as saviours of [insert minority group here] while not caring at all about the actual effects of their actions.
When people understandably push back against this nonsense they eagerly throw themselves into the fray and attempt to portray everyone who disagrees with them as racist/sexist/misognyst/etc. This is also why they frequently use non arguments like "right side of history"/"get with the times"/"evolution of language", because they are firmly rooted in the user's fantasy of themselves as a benevolent saviour that's here to root out all the "injustice" in the world even if they have to create it themselves.
I'm going to drop some George Carlin on this thread, as he explains the mindset better than I do.
GodofWhimsy
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As a massive football nut I'm ashamed for my sport. You guys can describe me as "that one white, Scottish, gypsy guy who only posts when he's drunk" as much as your hearts desire. After all, it would be the most accurate description of me. The same as this guy being fucking BLACK.
Men_in_Boxes
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"Racism is like the corn syrup of America. It's in everything." - Trevor Noah
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