Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I don't want to take away from everyone's right to be offended by everything, but I like Chappelle's comedy, including the 'gross' jokes from the OP. Looking forward to seeing him on SNL next week.
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Chappelle criticizes Clinton and LGBT activists, defends Trump's sexual assault
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eyeball_kid
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"it's just comedy club talk"
Then he couldn't test out new material anymore since even if the joke is bad and he decides to scrap it for all future stand up shows, it's now online for everyone to see for the rest of his career.
I think that it's important for people to understand that a comedian does multiple sets and iterates on it and see what works or doesn't.
In the set I went to, Dave talked about radical feminism and how his radical feminist friend proved him wrong about stuff. He talked about not liking hillary at the time because she always brought up the fact she was a woman plus her scandals. I do recall him mentioning Caitlyn Jenner and said he'd probably check her out if he saw her in sports illustrated.
It's easy to write an article that takes what he says out of context and to get clicks, but Dave was far, far more nuanced in his reasoning live than you would think from this article. People should be wary of that especially if it's coming from a singular source
In the set I went to, Dave talked about radical feminism and how his radical feminist friend proved him wrong about stuff. He talked about not liking hillary at the time because she always brought up the fact she was a woman plus her scandals. I do recall him mentioning Caitlyn Jenner and said he'd probably check her out if he saw her in sports illustrated.
It's easy to write an article that takes what he says out of context and to get clicks, but Dave was far, far more nuanced in his reasoning live than you would think from this article. People should be wary of that especially if it's coming from a singular source
Then yeah now were on the same page I guess. Public shame is the reproduction not
I just mentioned Richards as he said even worst things during a set and the repercussion wasn't arrest him. I'm not comparing him to Chappelle. It was just the first thing that came to mind, insert any other celebrity or stand up comedian that said distasteful things and had their reputation destroyed.
Frozenprince
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Eh pretty much everybody runs the circuit testing material and it's not a megaton, Dave isn't the superstar he was a decade ago, it wouldn't change much but give people context for a joke.
Yo how are people even considering this is going to happen? You realize they had shithead mcfucknuts himself host like six months ago, right? And that NBC gave him his own show for like six seasons?
Puck Beaverton
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I do find it funny that there are some people who are no longer excited to see him on SNL, as if (possibly) being a shitheel now voids his comedic ability.
entremet
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Dave has the clout to get those bans, but many comedians have lamented the smartphone era for that reason.
When you get a stand up special, you get the distilled, sure fire material that gets laughs. Not every comedian wants their bombs all over Youtube.
DontBeThatGuy
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I doubt he's gonna do the worst of these bits on SNL anyways. He's a funny dude, he can do better than that.
Just do a simple GAF search you will find some. Same exact handwaiving arguments as well. Most relevant past incident..
Chapelle and Jenner Jokes
Yes absolutely Comedy isn't some protection from criticism. It's still entertainment. It still has the power to influence the way people think. I don't see how making a transphobic, homophobic joke is any different than making a racist joke. Unless satirical, it's almost always wrong. Making a joke about minorities in such a blatantly offensive way and saying it's acceptable just doesn't make any sense to me. His Caitlin Jenner jokes were beyond just offensive,but actually borderlining handful
PatThePassive
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Based on this thread and the reactions, he's better off not letting material leak IMO, but unfortunately all that matters online now is the headline and how easily it can be shared.
They have the right to make those jokes, and you have the right to be offended. Thats really all there is to it.
Pretty much, I want to hear the joke delivery and the context. Chappell is known for being controversial.
Sweeney Tom
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Dave hates the LGBT community and in a way I'm sorta glad every time he opens his mouth about us, it gets a lot of negative attention. He ain't spinning this shit, and we ain't taking this shit
Guy with dead career comes back to close the coffin himself
Guy with dead career comes back to close the coffin himself
broncobuster
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I'd say SNL wouldn't allow it, but Louie CK did the pedophile joke last time he hosted.
Astral Dog
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Fuck you whoever you are!
Dave's a funny guy. He's also been known to have homophobic/transphobic views. I don't think you have to 100% morally and politically agree with someone to like their work. To be honest, most comedians sound like strange people; if they were average or normal they wouldn't really have a funny and unique view of the world.
How many people have come to Gaf and quoted South Park as factual evidence should give lean to this.
Do you have any other examples to provide of comedians making hateful leaning jokes about a group of people, like LGBT, and it being okay or "just a joke"?
Frozenprince
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South Park's "both sides are bad" bullshit has not insignificantly contributed to the current political and social climate.
Words have the power to harm,so were not just talking about being offended here. The occasional transphobic joke,whatever. But a lengthy portion of his show dedicated to it? He's not much different than a standard bigot. In fact probably worse, because he has an audience. You can use the "they're just jokes" argument all you want, but it doesn't magically make what he says any better
Too late! We have this new transcript that we are using to demonize him.
Went and saw him perform just before he blew up with Half-Baked. He was making fun of Asian people. It was really funny. I knew what he was saying were jokes.
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That Illuminati part was funny. I agree at least some of it was funny.
Some of your set has to be funny though.
Intheflorsh
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Well then, as long as its Asian and "woman with dick" jokes its okay then. Who cares about those minorities feelings right? Those uppity LGBT rights activists thinking they are important, pffft.
entremet
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Make sure to sell out shows as well lol.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Can't a guy just say wrong shit anymore without everyone thinking about it? It's a joke, laugh! Smile!
Haha
DontBeThatGuy
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Hmm, is this satire?
... and its ok for you to have that opinion.
I didn't say that. I do know not to take a comedian seriously in the context of their stand up set in which the comedian is known to push buttons.
Be sure to let me know which shows you'll be going to, so I can avoid the club that night.
He's equal opportunity in joking about everyone. What you're saying is there are groups that can't be joked about?
Fixed it.
Comedians: More Sacred than Religion
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I don't think Comedians are exempt from criticism. If you're offended at something you have every right to tell the world so.
At the same time, you need to realise that comedy isn't someone standing on stage just speaking their mind. Theyre telling jokes that have been written with the explicit intention to make you laugh.
If people at the show are laughing, the comedian is doing their job. They have no moral obligation to "be nice to everyone".
Theyre trying to make people laugh, that's it.
By all means be offended, but at least see comedy for what it is.
At the same time, you need to realise that comedy isn't someone standing on stage just speaking their mind. Theyre telling jokes that have been written with the explicit intention to make you laugh.
If people at the show are laughing, the comedian is doing their job. They have no moral obligation to "be nice to everyone".
Theyre trying to make people laugh, that's it.
By all means be offended, but at least see comedy for what it is.
If you thought that was a joke, you should be ok with what Dave said. Atleast Dave was funny
Lol, ok man.
Mhmm. We're probably missing some context from this stand up bit, but in general while Dave's race stuff is groundbreaking and amazing, i'm not sure his views on LGBT or women have ever been very progressive.
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