Charlotte anime |OT| 5 Seconds in heaven; show me your power

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Feltrol said:
Is Pooh on the world of Angel Beats now?
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Basileus777 said:
I'm honored that Maeda himself has been posting on GAF giving us plot hints. Praise KenjiGlove.
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Eh episode didn't do it for me. As far as entertainment won the convenience of losing powers and the world's most OP mutant having such a boring confrontation didn't do it for me. He had the chance to
make one guy jump off the platform and then tell the other to talk before he made him jump too
or something else from the start instead he leaves his guard down in an enemy base like a scrub.

0/10 Yuu
 
I finally got a chance to catch up on this series.

This most recent episode was way too rushed to really work for me.
So a foreign criminal organization we've never heard of is revealed to have had a mole for years and they decide to use their mole to capture Pooh, who I guess helps them capture Yuu (didn't the driver guy have all the info Pooh had? Why did they need Pooh?). Instead of going back in time a day and saving Nao/setting a trap, they decide to risk it all on a Yuu solo mission for...some reason... which leads to Yuu losing the power to leap and Pooh losing his life. I really don't understand how the mobsters thought that was going to go for them... kid cuts out his eye and then they just hope the rest of his abilities still work enough to be useful but not enough to kill them? The whole thing is just...guhhh.

Meanwhile the people that were doing the testing on ability users (government? private company? who knows) are still out there and Yuu can't go back in time anymore. The two mobster guys didn't seem like the type that would have a scientific research facility or anything like that so at best the show only has a little bit of time to setup a "last boss" now.

Hopefully the last two episodes will be better than this one.
 
I don't understand why Yu didn't just make the two bad guys kill themselves instead of checking them for weapons.
 
Angry Grimace said:
I don't understand why Yu didn't just make the two bad guys kill themselves instead of checking them for weapons.
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only argument would be that he needed to know where everybody is but by making one jump off the bridge and threatening the other that he'll make him do the same he had a chance of interrogating them.
 
LordCanti said:
I finally got a chance to catch up on this series.

This most recent episode was way too rushed to really work for me. So a foreign criminal organization we've never heard of is revealed to have had a mole for years and they decide to use their mole to capture Pooh, who I guess helps them capture Yuu (didn't the driver guy have all the info Pooh had? Why did they need Pooh?). Instead of going back in time a day and saving Nao/setting a trap, they decide to risk it all on a Yuu solo mission for...some reason... which leads to Yuu losing the power to leap and Pooh losing his life. I really don't understand how the mobsters thought that was going to go for them... kid cuts out his eye and then they just hope the rest of his abilities still work enough to be useful but not enough to kill them? The whole thing is just...guhhh.

Meanwhile the people that were doing the testing on ability users (government? private company? who knows) are still out there and Yuu can't go back in time anymore. The two mobster guys didn't seem like the type that would have a scientific research facility or anything like that so at best the show only has a little bit of time to setup a "last boss" now.

Hopefully the last two episodes will be better than this one.
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It's incredibly contrived and the plot of the last episode essentially required everyone to act like idiots. But I suppose that's one way to plot around having an overpowered protagonist. You have to pack a bunch of convenient nonsense into the story to justify why he can't time travel and then make everyone else too stupid to use the rest of his powers in a sensible way.
 
KenjiGlove said:
Maybe he just doesn't like murdering people anymore after episode 7
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"After making all of these people jump off second stories and hurting themselves, all of a sudden when peoples lives are in danger and they are depending on me, it's TOO MUCH"

Fine, so he doesn't like murdering people, he could have made them hurt each other to a point they couldn't do shit.

The point is if you walk into an enemy base, and you already know it is, and your best plan is to check if they have weapons, you are a scrub and don't deserve such broken powers.

God I hope this anime ends soon. It's like X-Men, if X-men decided to waste 70% of the episodes on useless crap and then got serious.
 
Angry Grimace said:
I don't understand why Yu didn't just make the two bad guys kill themselves instead of checking them for weapons.
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Yu is just a kid, he probably didn't realize how serious the matter is, he probably want to solve everything without killing anybody.

Remember that only the viewer know about the torturing, may be he didn't realize how far the terrorist willing to take this.
 
kiunchbb said:
Yu is just a kid, he probably didn't realize how serious the matter is, he probably want to solve everything without killing anybody.

Remember that only the viewer know about the torturing, may be he didn't realize how far the terrorist willing to take this.
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I'll never forgive the writer of this garbage for giving him time travel and then conveniently losing them in the most asinine way. HOW CONVENIENT FOR THE PLOT, LOOK HE ISN'T AS OP ANYMORE U GAIS.
 
KenjiGlove said:
Maybe he just doesn't like murdering people anymore after episode 7
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Yeah, all that practice he had taking on large groups of much stronger dudes using his ability didn't pay off did it?

Basileus777 said:
It's incredibly contrived and the plot of the last episode essentially required everyone to act like idiots. But I suppose that's one way to plot around having an overpowered protagonist. You have to pack a bunch of convenient nonsense into the story to justify why he can't time travel and then make everyone else too stupid to use the rest of his powers in a sensible way.
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It's really a shame because it didn't have to be like this. They've been setting up the organization with the research facility... why add in foreign mob dudes as antagonists with three episodes to go and then have it all resolve within one episode? Did we just need to conveniently get rid of the time leap ability at all costs and this was the only way he could think of to do it?
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I'll never forgive the writer of this garbage for giving him time travel and then conveniently losing them in the most asinine way. HOW CONVENIENT FOR THE PLOT, LOOK HE ISN'T AS OP ANYMORE U GAIS.
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He can't time travel because I dunno, they had hostages years ago for some reason and sat on them. Roll with it.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I'll never forgive the writer of this garbage for giving him time travel and then conveniently losing them in the most asinine way. HOW CONVENIENT FOR THE PLOT, LOOK HE ISN'T AS OP ANYMORE U GAIS.
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The way the time travel works is that it requires light in both eyes to function, we see that two episodes or so ago. He can't see anymore, meaning that time travel won't work. Doesn't seem that far stretched if you ask me, Pooh likely leaked the requirement to the mafia and they prepared for that ahead of time.
 
Chilikar said:
The way the time travel works is that it requires light in both eyes to function, we see that two episodes or so ago. He can't see anymore, meaning that time travel won't work. Doesn't seem that far stretched if you ask me, Pooh likely leaked the requirement to the mafia and they prepared for that ahead of time.
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And the excuse they made why he couldn't use time travel to prevent the kidnappings in the first place?
 
Chilikar said:
The way the time travel works is that it requires light in both eyes to function, we see that two episodes or so ago. He can't see anymore, meaning that time travel won't work. Doesn't seem that far stretched if you ask me, Pooh likely leaked the requirement to the mafia and they prepared for that ahead of time.
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He could have transported back like at any second after the kidnapping to make sure Pooh was safe. And even if not, the argument here is that you just gave your main character an OP power and the writing of the show conveniently has him lose the power the next episode. Just like you introduce an enemy organization and the next episode you defeat its two representatives.

They get rid of time travel to increase the drama so Pooh can die and everybody feels bad. And it could have been used so many times prior to prevent it. The show's argument of 'no no if we had told ourselves prior we would have never created the secret club' is silly considering the organization was created by somebody with time traveling powers who with this knowledge could have gone back time and time again. And once again even if not Yuu could have gone back to a point WAY before the kidnappings starting and warned the brother and team so they could have come up with a plan based off the guy's family being kidnapped. Like bringing a fucking gun.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
He could have transported back like at any second after the kidnapping to make sure Pooh was safe. And even if not, the argument here is that you just gave your main character an OP power and the writing of the show conveniently has him lose the power the next episode. Just like you introduce an enemy organization and the next episode you defeat its two representatives.

They get rid of time travel to increase the drama so Pooh can die and everybody feels bad. And it could have been used so many times prior to prevent it. The show's argument of 'no no if we had told ourselves prior we would have never created the secret club' is silly considering the organization was created by somebody with time traveling powers who with this knowledge could have gone back time and time again. And once again even if not Yuu could have gone back to a point WAY before the kidnappings starting and warned the brother and team so they could have come up with a plan based off the guy's family being kidnapped. Like bringing a fucking gun.
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We don't know much about this yet, we still have two more episodes, so they may not be in the clear yet. Plus big dude is still out there.. Where was he?
 
Cornbread78 said:
We don't know much about this yet, we still have two more episodes, so they may not be in the clear yet. Plus big dude is still out there.. Where was he?
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if big dude is still alive and ends up being the mastermind behind all of this I'll laugh as there was really no reason for him to act as an underling besides confusing the audience.


And even with 2 episodes left this show could close decently ok but issues with the show's writing, pacing and misuse of characters that have all but disappeared would remain
 
Admiral Woofington said:
if big dude is still alive and ends up being the mastermind behind all of this I'll laugh as there was really no reason for him to act as an underling besides confusing the audience.


And even with 2 episodes left this show could close decently ok but issues with the show's writing, pacing and misuse of characters that have all but disappeared would remain
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I'm still trying to get over the bait/switch this show had with its genres. Half the series was literally comedic detective-esque stuff then suddenly DRAMAOHMAHGAWDITSSODEEEEEPMUHFEEEEEELS.
 
AnathemicOne said:
I'm still trying to get over the bait/switch this show had with its genres. Half the series was literally comedic detective-esque stuff then suddenly DRAMAOHMAHGAWDITSSODEEEEEPMUHFEEEEEELS.
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To be fair, Maeda warned everyone about it ahead of time that the first 6 were going to be like that.
 
So is this on the level of Aldah.Noah bad, or slowly approaching it? Was thinking of getting back into it, but I kind of dropped it cause the whole "powers disappear" when you essentially leave high school seemed kind of lame.
 
Cornbread78 said:
To be fair, Maeda warned everyone about it ahead of time that the first 6 were going to be like that.
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I wasn't aware of Maeda saying anything (though I'm very aware of his past works), regardless even if I did it doesn't excuse the very sudden shift in tone. Such shifts in tone are better done early around 1-3 episodes (see Madoka Magica) before the user settles in or just about, not in the middle of a 1-cour show where the user is already well-settled in.

To compare, it's like taking Angel Beats (another one of Maeda's 1-cour shows) where at the 6/7th episode mark you just figure out that
the school they are in is in fact a purgatory scenario in contrast to just the typical high school setting.

TastyOreoFriend said:
So is this on the level of Aldah.Noah bad, or slowly approaching it? Was thinking of getting back into it, but I kind of dropped it cause the whole "powers disappear" when you essentially leave high school seemed kind of lame.
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Atleast Aldnoah.Zero knew what it wanted to be with all its plot contrivances, this show doesn't and it possesses similar plot contrivances so it's worse by far imo.
 
AnathemicOne said:
I wasn't aware of Maeda saying anything (though I'm very aware of his past works), regardless even if I did it doesn't excuse the very sudden shift in tone. Such shifts in tone are better done early around 1-3 episodes (see Madoka Magica) before the user settles in or just about, not in the middle of a 1-cour show where the user is already well-settled in.

To compare, it's like taking Angel Beats (another one of Maeda's 1-cour shows) where at the 6/7th episode mark you just figure out that
the school they are in is in fact a purgatory scenario in contrast to just the typical high school setting.
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I'd have to find the link to the interview, but he openly stated that the first 6 episodes would be slow in comparison to the last 7; he definitely wasn't lying, lol.
 
Cornbread78 said:
I'd have to find the link to the interview, but he openly stated that the first 6 episodes would be slow in comparison to the last 7; he definitely wasn't lying, lol.
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Thats the thing though right now the first 6 episodes were largely unnecessary. Half of the cast established then has a minimal role and characters were introduced that were never talked of again. The major thing that came out of those episodes is that the two leads grew closer and they could have done that a bunch of other ways.
 
I think it's worth noting that Nao deliberately asked Yuu to take over the Telekenises baseball guy a while back in episode four, just remembered it.

Admiral Woofington said:
Thats the thing though right now the first 6 episodes were largely unnecessary. Half of the cast established then has a minimal role and characters were introduced that were never talked of again. The major thing that came out of those episodes is that the two leads grew closer and they could have done that a bunch of other ways.
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Yeah you're right, but I liked those episodes so I can't complain, Yusarin and the other guy will probably get their time to shine, it's better to just wait it out until we see the last episodes before we start to question Meada's decision of the slower first half.
 
This episode is just bad man. Just use time fucking travel, their excuse doesn't make sense to me one bit. What a waste of potential. And the big bads have exactly 2 persons, and one girl to confront possible the most powerful person in the world? Wut?

Smiley Review update
Episode 1-5
-_-. What a cliche anime
Episode 6-7:
=O Wut.
Episode 8:
-_-
Episode 9-10:
0_0 Holy mother of GOD
Episode 11:
(_8(|) This is some dumb shit.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Thats the thing though right now the first 6 episodes were largely unnecessary. Half of the cast established then has a minimal role and characters were introduced that were never talked of again. The major thing that came out of those episodes is that the two leads grew closer and they could have done that a bunch of other ways.
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The whole relationship thing has been pretty 1 sided though; I mean, completely 1 sided from a Yuu standpoint. Nao has not made 1 comment, blush, and/or anything that she even has the slightest of feelings for him outside of what happened in ep.7. Even then, her motivations were left completely up to us to decipher is it a friendship type response or more? She doesn't lead it either way. Yuu is the only one that has expressed his feelings are more than just friends. Even in episode 10 (after the time leap) when Yuu was thanking her for standing by his side in the other timeline, she just accepted it and said "well, I guess that happened if your telling me it did" there was nothing really there to give us an indication that she has any feelings for Yuu outside of classmate/friend. A visible hint by Nao would have helped us believe in it a little more outside of us trying to fill in the gaps ourselves based on circumstantial evidence only. There has been relationship development with them, but you can tell Maeda does not want to focus on their relationship together, but rather on Yuu's feelings for Nao only.



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For this alone, I want to see this bastard die a slow horrible death.
 
Cornbread78 said:
The whole relationship thing has been pretty 1 sided though; I mean, completely 1 sided from a Yuu standpoint. Nao has not made 1 comment, blush, and/or anything that she even has the slightest of feelings for him outside of what happened in ep.7. Even then, her motivations were left completely up to us to decipher is it a friendship type response or more? She doesn't lead it either way. Yuu is the only one that has expressed his feelings are more than just friends. Even in episode 10 (after the time leap) when Yuu was thanking her for standing by his side in the other timeline, she just accepted it and said "well, I guess that happened if your telling me it did" there was nothing really there to give us an indication that she has any feelings for Yuu outside of classmate/friend. A visible hint by Nao would have helped us believe in it a little more outside of us trying to fill in the gaps ourselves based on circumstantial evidence only. There has been relationship development with them, but you can tell Maeda does not want to focus on their relationship together, but rather on Yuu's feelings for Nao only.



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For this alone, I want to see this bastard die a slow horrible death.
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Eh knowing this guy it'll likely be that she has issues with relationships with people (hence the ass kicking she got that episode and the fact everybody hates her). Not to mention we have gotten really shitty hints. She's been tsundere with him like when they went to the concert. Not to mention how much effort she put into sticking with him in his psycho episode. I doubt it'll go anywhere major. I mean he's only now realizing he likes her and we're 1-2 episodes away.

His only goodbye to the version of her that did everything for him was a fucking head nod lol.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
Eh knowing this guy it'll likely be that she has issues with relationships with people (hence the ass kicking she got that episode and the fact everybody hates her). Not to mention we have gotten really shitty hints. She's been tsundere with him like when they went to the concert. Not to mention how much effort she put into sticking with him in his psycho episode. I doubt it'll go anywhere major. I mean he's only now realizing he likes her and we're 1-2 episodes away.

His only goodbye to the version of her that did everything for him was a fucking head nod lol.
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It's like he tried to learn something from his mistakes with Angel Beats and correct it here, but then he just couldn't turn the page and do it right this time around. Still two episodes left, but not enough time To establish something greater. I will wait to finally get the response from her in the last 5 minutes of episode 13...
 
Cornbread78 said:
It's like he tried to learn something from his mistakes with Angel Beats and correct it here, but then he just couldn't turn the page and do it right this time around, still two episodes left, but not enough time with no responses from here in regards to anything. I will wait to finally get the response from her in the last 5 minutes of episode 13...
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..... and then they die
 
massoluk said:
This episode is just bad man. Just use time fucking travel, their excuse doesn't make sense to me one bit. What a waste of potential. And the big bads have exactly 2 persons, and one girl to confront possible the most powerful person in the world? Wut?
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Maeda scored a second strike.

Ok, seriously, guy needs at least two cours for his animes. The concept of Charlotte and Angel Beats were excellent but the execution was and is and will probably continue to be subpar.

Shame though, I'm sure he has great talent at writing stories but the few episodes he gets are his downfall.

Anyone expecting a Charlotte visual novel in the futue?
 
I mean I wouldn't call a high school in heaven concept excellent. imho it's hilarious that they found a way to make yet another high school show. Anime won't give up.
 
Basileus777 said:
And the excuse they made why he couldn't use time travel to prevent the kidnappings in the first place?
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I'm a little confused about which kidnapping you're talking about, Pooh or that driver's family. I'm just going to assume you're both talking about the family kidnapping.

The reason they don't want to go back to the beginning of the kidnapping is because it was before the actual academy was made. That was before anything was set in stone, AND the main character was still a small child.

Any small changes could prevent the academy from being made, the whole reason that Shunsuke would've lost his eyes could've been completely undone. You can see why they would be insecure of having that happening.

Admiral Woofington said:
He could have transported back like at any second after the kidnapping to make sure Pooh was safe. And even if not, the argument here is that you just gave your main character an OP power and the writing of the show conveniently has him lose the power the next episode. Just like you introduce an enemy organization and the next episode you defeat its two representatives.
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I kind of agree with that but if the mafia felt like the plan does not go according to plan (aka Pooh was not kidnapped), they were going to kill the guy's family. The whole reason Pooh even got kidnapped was because he didn't want the guy to lose his family anyways. I'm assuming they probably assumed that they couldn't do anything with a gun because they don't know how many power users there are, or what they can do with it

As for your point about writing requiring the main character to loses his OP power, I don't really have much to say regarding that. I don't personally see an issue with it, but I can understand that some of you are turned off by it.
 
Chilikar said:
The reason they don't want to go back to the beginning of the kidnapping is because it was before the actual academy was made. That was before anything was set in stone, AND the main character was still a small child.
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And that's a silly plot device that makes little sense. There's no logical reason for these gangsters to have kidnapped his family years ago and kept them alive (and not used them earlier) in case of a time traveler.
Any small changes could prevent the academy from being made, the whole reason that Shunsuke would've lost his eyes could've been completely undone. You can see why they would be insecure of having that happening.
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And yet big brother time traveled many many times and it worked out for the better.
 
So I just marathoned this series due to a friends suggestion. It was great until the last episode. It seemed rushed. Like someone mentioned, yu (and I guess pooh and the rest) knows how far adults would torture/experiment to great lengths, but they sent him to basically fail. And pooh died! I mean comon pooh! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
 
I welcome the defense of the show as we all have valid points but anything to do with the time travel I cannot stand for haha. Nothing made sense. If we can agree that he scribbled three lines as to how time travel affected the plot and didn't bother exploring the plot holes then we can discuss the rest lol. When he inserted time travel into this plot he probably didn't think ahead besides coming up with a silly plan as to why he can't let him go back.

The fact nobody else in the criminal organization has time travel kills any fucking possibility that they'll be able to counteract it.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I welcome the defense of the show as we all have valid points but anything to do with the time travel I cannot stand for haha. Nothing made sense. If we can agree that he scribbled three lines as to how time travel affected the plot and didn't bother exploring the plot holes then we can discuss the rest lol. When he inserted time travel into this plot he probably didn't think ahead besides coming up with a silly plan as to why he can't let him go back.

The fact nobody else in the criminal organization has time travel kills any fucking possibility that they'll be able to counteract it.
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I have a feeling the ZHIEND band singer worked with them. She talked about her blindness being punishment for sinning. So maybe she used up all her powers time traveling to stay ahead of Shunsuke?

Either way its really messy. Despite his craziness, I still want to see a Jun Maeda + Mari Okada anime fuckfest. It will also be a high school setting too I bet.
 
Admiral Woofington said:
I welcome the defense of the show as we all have valid points but anything to do with the time travel I cannot stand for haha. Nothing made sense. If we can agree that he scribbled three lines as to how time travel affected the plot and didn't bother exploring the plot holes then we can discuss the rest lol. When he inserted time travel into this plot he probably didn't think ahead besides coming up with a silly plan as to why he can't let him go back.

The fact nobody else in the criminal organization has time travel kills any fucking possibility that they'll be able to counteract it.
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Yeah it's totally nonsensical. Even if they blindly accept their claim that they've planned everything out and will know if anything deviates, what would stop Yuu from just using time travel to find out what those triggers are and avoiding them? Even just going back in time a week and trying to find out ANYTHING about these guys would be better than just blindly confronting them without any prior knowledge. It's beyond stupid, especially considering that it's all due to them kidnapping the family of some guy that we have no reason to care about at all.
 
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