DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, man, of course. Nothing is more sacred than protecting the "free speech" rights of of all these fucking Nazi's. It's very important, as you've seen today.
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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally
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Yeah, man, of course. Nothing is more sacred than protecting the "free speech" rights of of all these fucking Nazi's. It's very important, as you've seen today.
smokeandmirrors
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[insert Voltaire free speech quote because I'm a super enlightened centrist]
avengers23
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It already is, friend:
From 2017: https://www.ineteconomics.org/persp...sing-into-a-developing-nation-for-most-people
From 2015:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-surging-ranks-of-americas-ultrapoor/
From 2014:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-20140305
Frozenprince
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Lol wasn't that one prick that got maced (Alaska something?) saying "Find me a Swastika, we're just normal, everyday Americans!"
djplaeskool
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Everyone has the right to peaceably assemble.
The ACLU is agnostic in defending basic rights like this.
smokeandmirrors
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Uh dude. Do you not see WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET NAZIS "PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE"
PEOPLE DIED
GFTO with this bullshit.
And Nazis cannot be trusted to peaceably assemble. They shouldn't have the right to assemble.
Human Trashcan
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In every reasonable democratic society hate speech is not protected speech. Nazis do not assemble peacefully. Nazism isn't defeated in debate. It cannot be given oxygen. This is so fucking basic I'm shocked many Americans, including the ACLU, do not understand this very basic principle
Not every speech is worth protecting, not all speech are equal. Not all assemblies either. There needs to be some fucking limits on this shit.
I had to legit stop following the ACLU because of this. Makes me feel disgusted.
djplaeskool
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Nice edit. But no, everyone should NOT have the right to "peaceably" assemble.
One person is dead and dozens more are brutally injured.
This is what happens when you let nazis assemble. The ACLU can choose their battles and this is one where they should have never crossed.
They have blood on their hands and I hope they're sued to the fucking ground by all those hurt by those nazis.
Dislike?! PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DEAD. This entire shit has turn into a blood bath, they lost their rights to assemble when they turned violent.
Man, I feel so sorry for American parents if the kids are old enough to consume and understand news. Events like this are going to be hell to try to explain, especially if the kids still have the understanding that America is the "good country," and only "bad people" hurt others based on skin color. What a horrible way to strip away another layer of innocence.
According to our Constitution, yes they should.
smokeandmirrors
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Again you need to stop thinking nazis deserve rights. The have shown THEIR ONLY FUCKING GOAL IS COMPLETE ERADICATION OF ANYONE THEY DEEM UNWORTHY.
It's not a difference of opinion. It is a pure, bonafide ideology that thrives on violence and the murder of "lesser" people.
There is no place.
Consider for a moment that they are wrong and that the law is inadequate in how it deals with hate speech.
Isaac Otherworld
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The key there being "peaceful". What the fuck did people think was going to happen allowing thousands of heavily armed NAZIS to march through a liberal city? In many othet countries the local city authorities and police have the final say on whether contentious protest marches can go ahead, free speech and right to assemble be damned. Public safety comes before such lofty ideals.
Edit: also, no other country would even allow Nazis to march to begin with, no matter how safe it might have been. Stop giving these fucks platform America.
Primethius
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And our consitution is wrong in that regard. Like it has been for many other things.
If folks like you had their way and we picked and chose which speech was defensible and which wasn't then we'd currently be seeing our president censoring liberal media and jailing people like us. The pendulum always swings back.
Apparently there is a March in Atlanta supporting counter protesters.
https://mobile.twitter.com/collinrees/status/896514931213955073
https://mobile.twitter.com/collinrees/status/896514931213955073
Human Trashcan
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people wrote the constitution and as such it can be wrong.
Aaronrules380
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The issue is who gets to decide who has that right? And what do we do if an awful person manages to get that power? The reason people defend free speech even for shitty groups is that the power to remove free speech can be misused horribly. I'm not going to say it can't be done, but setting up rules to allow for the dismissal of free speech in certain situations is not necessarily as easy some people seem to think.
The constitution can change. I love people keep repeating this as if it's an infallible document. Slavery was in there too you know.
Paedophiles have this right as well? We can have assemblies of them? Marching down the streets, occasionally assaulting children, captured on video, with the police in defense of them and faux news both sides?
Psychoward
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Okay? Feel better using the Constitution as a retort? Certain groups/mindsets should definitely NOT be given a platform to speak. If I have to explain why, this conversation isn't for you.
Lmfao, so we sit and do nothing while these idiots combine, and grow into a clusterfuck of stupid?
People are dying and y'all are still using that "B-b but my free speech!" spare the fuck outta me, please.
Human Trashcan
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Weird how hate speech isn't protected speech in most European countries and their governments don't censor the media.
Gordon Shumway
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PersonAndStuff
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Nazis definitely have the right to assemble. I also reject the idea that allowing them to assemble provides oxygen. If anything, denying them just fuels their own stupid belief that they're the suppressed one.
Frozenprince
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They absolutely have the right to speak their minds and congregate, in public places, unarmed.
They don't have the right to arm themselves, march down a public and then a private institution, then try and intimidate and beat people.
And if they do that, fuck if I'm not gonna march with my guns.
They don't have the right to arm themselves, march down a public and then a private institution, then try and intimidate and beat people.
And if they do that, fuck if I'm not gonna march with my guns.
When I look at some of the stuff going on in Europe where people are getting jail and fines for tweets, I cannot support that.
I think anyone who has seen me post on here knows I'm as liberal as they come, but I cannot support anything that makes hate speech a crime or illegal because I refuse to go down the slippery slope.
And allowing them to assemble with weapons results in people dead.
If folks like you would stop pretending all forms of speech are worthy of equal consideration and protection, this might not have happened.
Human Trashcan
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Yeah because that idea totally isn't core to the idea of white supremacy already. You can reject the idea but you're still wrong.
Primethius
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All speech isn't protected in the US to begin with. So I'm not sure why hate speech is getting the slippery slope treatment.
Michael F. Assbender
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Frozenprince
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They literally began the march armed with fucking torches lol.
Like come on. ANybody who's trying to claim freedom of expression on this nonsense is lying.
JetBlackPanda
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Omg @Dave Brat saying he got yelled at his town hall and nobody condemned that.
This is spot on. It blows my mind that so many people are so eager to enact restrictions of basic civil liberties during the Trump administration. You'd think that this is a time when we would all want to collectively double down on the first amendment.
Jonneh3003
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I'm not American but I'm ashamed of the human race.
This slippery slope nonsense is bullshit.
This is a weird argument. If anything, nazis aren't suppressed enough! That's why we're in this fucking mess!
This is a weird argument. If anything, nazis aren't suppressed enough! That's why we're in this fucking mess!
Psychoward
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Or it's the Trump administration so it's time to stop acting cordial with nazis.
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