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[DECK'ARD]

Any article that lauds Tom Watson can fuck right off. He stood up in Parliament and politicised this issue by trying to drag the Conservative party into it. He needs to resign or Ed M needs to sack him. He can't abuse Parliamentary privilege in this manner and get away with it.

Right now is the time to take things slowly, this is not going to disappear from the front pages and it is not going to get brushed under the carpet. The government will very likely order a proper investigation that will bring together the evidence from all of the separate ones, but I expect the PM will call an emergency session to announce it rather than just do it off the cuff on This Morning.

Cameron has already said a decision on a full public inquiry will be pushed back till 2013, when the multitude of existing inquiries have reached a conclusion warranting it. It already warrants it.

And you are the one who keeps seeming to politicise it with mentioning the Tory party and Tom Watson's nasty campaign against it at every opportunity. This is a failure of successive Tory and Labour governments over decades. Blair even appointing the head of Islington council at the time all that was exposed as Minister For Children! Thatcher's Parliamentary Private Secretary being named as one of the vistors and abusers at the care homes in North Wales. Never charged, and prevented from being named in the inquiries or reports. Both parties are up to their necks in it.

It's THIS Government though that has to do the right thing now, and so far they aren't and are dragging their heels repeating the same inquiries with limited mandates that they already admit failed before.

It's a joke, just not a funny one in the slightest.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Decisions can change. The PM says a lot of stuff, but if something particularly damning were to be released in the papers (which is quite likely at the moment) then the plans will be adjusted accordingly. And 2013 is just a couple of months away, we're not talking a whole year here.

I mention it because it bears mentioning, Tom Watson is an odious little cunt and any article which lauds him needs some serious smacking down. The politicisation of this issue has come from a smear campaign by Tom Watson because he knows what is coming down the line, he knows that Labour are deep in shit much like the Conservatives (Islington, Margaret Hodge) are. However, that the BBC listened to this cunt and destroyed their own reputation on the back of his terrible briefing without bothering to check any of the facts is particularly lamentable.

The politicisation of this issue is very discouraging, and I am not making a political point by saying Tom Watson started it, believe me, if it was a Tory or Lib Dem or whoever that had started it I would be raging at them too. They just had a little more sense that Tom Watson, and Ed M needs to show some fucking cullions and fire the cunt (he won't).

Dan Hodges made a good point earlier today. We are turning into a nation of witch hunters, and it needs to stop. Yes this all needs investigating and it needs to be out in the open and the findings of investigations should be made public, none of this namby pamby classified for 100 years until all of the relevant guilty parties are dead. In my perfect world we would find all and string them up and no innocent people would be fingered, however, this is not a perfect world by any means. Having a public inquiry of the like of Levenson on this subject will implicate a large number of people of vile crimes and there is a very high chance that innocent people will be publicly humiliated on TV without legal recourse. That is something we must avoid.

The issue is not as black and white as you make out. We all want to catch the criminal scum who perpetrated these vile acts and the lowlifes who helped cover it all up, absolutely. However, if innocent people get caught up in a public inquiry, I wouldn't want it on my conscience.

So the PM has a problem, on the one hand he can satisfy the mob who are out for blood and call a full public inquiry of the like of Levenson, fuck the innocent people who get caught up in it, or he can wait and see and then call and inquiry in February to piece together a picture of what happened and follow up leads from the original ones. The second method is likely to miss stuff and it is likely that some people will get away with it and that is very sad, but it would minimise the potential for innocent people to be accused which for this particular issue is of grave importance. I can understand the PM's hesitancy to go headlong into this.

Well we'll have to agree to differ, because in my opinion you have to do things differently from the way which allowed all this to carry on in plain sight from Savile, to Thatcher's Parliamentary Private Secretary, from 40 care homes in North Wales, to every single care home in Islington, and not stopped nor even a fraction of the perpetrators brought to justice or even identified.

Something is fundamentally fucked for this to carry on unchecked for decades.

And I'd also save language like odious little cunt for the people abusing children and those complicit in it, not the person asking uncomfortable questions.

 

[Bo-Locks]

That's not really how it works.

A public inquiry will usually give a report at the end, usually about how to correct whatever the inquiry was covering to begin with. There's no need for two inquiries; by making the public inquiry into the later, the final report will give solutions for the former.

I realise that, but there are two major issues that are coming out from all of this, one is the abuse of the children in care, and the other is the corruption (which potentially goes to the highest levels of government). So I don't think that just one inquiry could unearth everything and bring about a major change in culture of how we treat and protect children in care.

Much like how in the wake of the News International hacking affair, the Leveson inquiry has been split into two separate parts: one to look at specific claims of phone hacking and malpractice; and the other to look at the wider ethics of the media, I think that there should be two separate parts of any inquiry into the pedophile rings. One part has to look at the corruption and the other part has to look at specific cases of abuse and make recommendations for the future.

And Zomg makes a good point about how a full public inquiry would libel and drag hundreds of innocent people through the mud. Whether or not the McAlpine family in implicated, this has already happened this very week with Alistair McAlpine and the stunt that Phillip Schofield pulled on ITV. Things of this nature are very sensitive and we need to tread with caution.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I realise that, but there are two major issues that are coming out from all of this, one is the abuse of the children in care, and the other is the corruption (which potentially goes to the highest levels of government). So I don't think that just one inquiry could unearth everything and bring about a major change in culture of how we treat and protect children in care.

Much like how in the wake of the News International hacking affair, the Leveson inquiry has been split into two separate parts: one to look at specific claims of phone hacking and malpractice; and the other to look at the wider ethics of the media, I think that there should be two separate parts of any inquiry into the pedophile rings. One part has to look at the corruption and the other part has to look at specific cases of abuse and make recommendations for the future.

And Zomg makes a good point about how a full public inquiry would libel and drag hundreds of innocent people through the mud. Whether or not the McAlpine family in implicated, this has already happened this very week with Alistair McAlpine and the stunt that Phillip Schofield pulled on ITV. Things of this nature are very sensitive and we need to tread with caution.

The reason the ITV stunt happened is because of the lack of movement on it all and how inquiry after inquiry protected the guilty and kept them anonymous and out of the public eye as well as the courts. For years, leaving the Internet and rumour to try and fill in the blanks.

We've spent decades protecting the guilty and sacrificing the victims, that was the conclusion of the Jillings report and even that was sacrificed.

Protecting the innocent is a distraction, if we can't do that it's just adding further insult to injury for all the victims we have failed to protect already and all those guilty who we never even went after.

 

[pulsemyne]

There are currently nine different inquiries into this whole matter. Nine. That means it becomes fantastically easy to muddy the waters between separate inquiries. The scope for messing things up is massively widened as a rest. The whole thing is a glorious mess and that's just the way the government wants it. If there was a single inquiry into the whole issue then the media would have something to focus on but having nine at once gives the curious elements of the media the run around.
As for Tom Watson I say good on the man for bring this up and wanting to put pressure on the government. we need people like him in politics. People who question things.

 

[Captain_Spanky]

God do they really have to use such emotive and unintellectual language? Fuck me. Disgusting

 

[Novid]

Is there any "Western" country in the world that doesn't think dudes over like...19-20 having sex with 16 year old girls isn't creepy? And each year it gets exponentially creepier. I'm 24 and I can't imagine fucking a 16 year old. And I can't imagine anyone I know thinking that it'd be totally cool and fine for me to do so, even if it is legal in my area. When you can go to bars or have a pension, you probably shouldn't be nailing sophomores in high school.

They just hate women period. Always will be. Look at the US Election - and how certain sentors stated all there bs (and lost thankfully in the process) When you continue to depress, repress, create the whore/mother/virgin meme you going to create this fucking nonsense and it isnt just in the UK/US.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Added more details to the summary on the previous page for anyone who wants to know where things stand at the moment:

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44199047&postcount=635

The more I add to it, the more unbelievable and depressing it gets.

 

[Novid]

Anytime any music gatekeeper (such as Saville) keeps away certain types of music - something is always up with that person/business.

 

[Bleepey]

Anytime any music gatekeeper (such as Saville) keeps away certain types of music - something is always up with that person/business.

huh?

 

[daviyoung]

Anytime any music gatekeeper (such as Saville) keeps away certain types of music - something is always up with that person/business.

Are you talking about TOTP?

lol

 

[Clay Davis]

the opening post has been updated with a summary put together by DECK'ARD. a big, big thank you, DECK'ARD for going to the trouble and effort of putting all the info together so everyone can catch up with events so far.

we all appreciate it.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Information on the Rochdale scandal which took place very recently from 2007-2012:

http://www.channel4.com/news/missed-chances-in-rochdale-abuse-scandal

Social workers, police and the Crown Prosecution Service "missed opportunities" to stop a child exploitation ring abusing young girls, a report into the scandal reveals.

The review was ordered in the aftermath of a trial which saw nine Asian men jailed for grooming young white girls for sex. It looked at how agencies including the council, police, NHS and Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) worked between 2007 and 2012 to safeguard children and young people who were at risk of sexual exploitation.

The picture which emerges from the report is one of vulnerable young girls, who were being targeted for sexual abuse, being written off by those in authority who believed the girls were "making their own choices".

Solicitor Jonathan Bridge, who is a legal representative to two of the girls in the Rochdale case, told Channel 4 News: "It is clear that a blind eye was turned to what was going on; children and their parents repeatedly looked to Rochdale social services and the police for help, but were ignored. The reasons for this remain unclear, but there is shocking inference that social services made a judgement about these children, adopting an attitude that they were making a "choice" to live this lifestyle. Considering some of the victims were as young as 12 years old, this is a dreadful and deplorable error."

The review found that "deficiencies" in the way children's social care responded to the victims' needs in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, were caused by "patchy" training of frontline staff, the Rochdale Borough Safeguarding Children Board (RBSCB) said in its review into child sexual exploitation (CSE).

Rochdale Council said it has used the review's findings to implement a catalogue of changes and improvements.

No prosecutions

The review comes just days after The Times published a report which alleged that agencies in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, were aware of extensive and co-ordinated abuse of white girls by some Asian men and detailed a range of offences for which no-one has been prosecuted.

The council's own review of internal processes and procedures will be published In October. Chief Superintendent Annette Anderson, divisional commander for Rochdale, said: "This report once again highlights the complex nature of child sexual exploitation and we acknowledge its findings.

"We have already stated that there were issues with an initial inquiry into CSE in Rochdale in 2008. However, the (Independent Police Complaints Commission) are currently supervising an investigation into that inquiry so it would be inappropriate for us to go into further details at this moment.

"What we can say is that GMP's (Greater Manchester Police's) force-wide approach to child sexual exploitation and child abuse in general has changed significantly over the last few years.

 

[DECK'ARD]

1) It's a summary as best as I could do with the mountains of things that are involved that have all come out or been brought attention to in the light of what has been revealed
2) I think calling it pretty lamentable is a massive understatement
3) You know my position on conducting it in private, that was abused before at every stage letting it continue and in just one case a perpetrator escape and abused hundreds of children in another country. What do you think the full extent of these failings will have been, both in this country and elsewhere?
4) I think people should be baying for blood, far too many of our most vulnerable have been let down and those guilty protected for decades. And some of the mob baying for blood as you put it are those who exposed it before when Government, councils and police would not act. And this is still happening in 2012.

The shift of focus away from the victims and onto specific institutions or worries about the innocent seems very calculated and just following a pattern that has failed everyone for decades. Involving all the institutions that should be there to protect them, and successive governments.

The system is broken, and pressure should be maintained until an extensive overarching inquiry is announced and a proper investigation into it all can be seen by the public to be done. This is far more serious than the abuse of privilege that happened with the expenses scandal.

This is the abuse of power and children, you seem far more focused on the politics than that.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Sir Peter Morrison, Tory MP for Chester from 1974-1992 and Parliamentary Private Secretary to Thatcher, who was named by an eye witness on Channel 4 news recently as one of the visitors and abusers at the care homes in North Wales, had already been named as a 'noted pedarest' by Edwina Currie in her diaries published in 2002:

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/c...-over-hot-gossip-on-former-mp-59067-12347868/

Mrs Currie, whose diaries hit the headlines for revealing her affair with former premier John Major, wrote on page 195: 'One appointment in the recent reshuff le has attracted a lot of gossip and could be very dangerous.

'Peter Morrison has become the PM's PPS. Now he's what they call 'a noted pederast',' with a liking for young boys; he admitted as much to Norman Tebbitt when he became deputy chairman of the party, but added, 'However, I'm very discreet' - and he must be!
'She either knows and is taking a chance, or doesn't; either way it is a really dumb move.

Teresa Gorman told me this evening (in a taxi coming back from a drinks party at the BBC) that she inherited Morrison's (woman) agent, who claims to have been offered money to keep quiet about his activities.

'It scares me, as all the press know, and as we get closer to the election someone is going to make trouble, very close to her indeed.'

Hiding in plain sight indeed.

 

[Dabanton]

This is the thing with politicians they are so power hungry that they can easily turn a blind eye to any perversion going on near them as long as their silence and compliance advances their career.

Edwina Currie was probably well aware of the rumors about Savile and still let him wander round Broadmoor like he owned the joint. I mean he had keys for the place.

One of the strangest aspects of the Savile affair was the influence he was given over Broadmoor special hospital.

And a written statement that Edwina Currie, who appears to have been the minister who appointed him to a role there, only added to the strangeness:

She told Channel 4 News in a statement: "What [Savile] did have, as I know for certain, is information which gave him a hold over staff. That could explain why they said nothing, even with their knowledge or suspicion of his misbehavior. As a result ministers were never given the information, when we could have barred him from the place."

Edwina Currie Video

The video above is of her appearance on RTE's The Saturday Night Show on, er, Saturday night. It helps us understand what went on at Broadmoor, but still does not explain why Savile was apparently allowed to do as he pleased there.

Meanwhile, the Daily Telegraph suggests that Savile's original position at Broadmoor - honorary entertainments officer - was agreed by Dr David Owen when he was health minister.

 

[DECK'ARD]

This is why an inquiry is needed to pull everything together, and probably why it has been avoided for so long.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Original whistleblower in North Wales warns of the shift of focus and attempts to discredit victims of child abuse:

http://news.sky.com/story/1010077/concerns-over-treatment-of-child-abuse-victims

Concerns Over Treatment Of Child Abuse Victims

The social worker who blew the whistle on the North Wales care home scandal tells Sky News the victims are being ignored.

Alison Taylor campaigned for years on behalf of the victims after taking the brave decision to speak out. In 1986 she was sacked as head of a North Wales care home but her determination to expose abuse led to police investigations, criminal prosecutions and eventually the Waterhouse Inquiry.

Ms Taylor is now dismayed at the media storm surrounding the botched Newsnight broadcast and the implications it has for victims of child abuse.

She told Sky News: "I think it has thrown us right back to the pre-North Wales investigations."

"It was hard enough then - it was a real uphill struggle to get the police to investigate anything."

Ms Taylor also believes that Steve Messham, the man who originally spoke to Newsnight about his alleged abusers and has now acknowledged that he was mistaken, is now being unfairly treated.

She said: "Steve, who genuinely was a victim, is now being perceived in some quarters as a man who has made false allegations.

"There are a lot of people who clearly have a vested interest in playing down the abuse allegations."

She added: "We're left with this enormous suspicion that is going to crop up, there will be even more suspicion than there was in the past when anyone says they were abused in childhood or in care.

"I think it is going to be even more difficult for children or young people to be believed, which is going to make them less willing to put themselves forward."

 

[Exterminieren]

The Tories have done a bang-up job of distracting people from the real victims by serving the BBC on a platter. Now we have Tories calling childhood rape victims weirdoes and casting McAlpine as the central victim. Excellent and sickening job.

 

[radioheadrule83]

The Tories have done a bang-up job of distracting people from the real victims by serving the BBC on a platter. Now we have Tories calling childhood rape victims weirdoes and casting McAlpine as the central victim. Excellent and sickening job.

I'm confident this isn't going to work. The truth will out.

 

[Exterminieren]

I'm confident this isn't going to work. The truth will out.

I'd love to say I shared the confidence, but the hackjob has already begun.

A victim of his delusions: Astonishing story the BBC DIDN'T tell you about its troubled star witness
He assaulted QC at inquiry and was branded 'unreliable witness'
Triggered £400k libel payout after false sex abuse accusation
Stood trial for £65k fraud at charity for victims of the scandal
Even his lawyer says he may have invented stories

The former care home resident who falsely claimed he was sexually abused by former Tory party chairman Lord McAlpine was exposed as an ‘unreliable’ witness whom no jury would believe almost 20 years ago, a Mail on Sunday investigation has revealed.
We can show that those responsible for the controversial Newsnight story based on Steven Messham’s claims misrepresented crucial facts, and either failed to check or wilfully ignored alarming information available in official records. The Mail on Sunday has established:

*Newsnight failed to say that Messham triggered a 1994 libel trial by falsely claiming to have been abused by a senior police officer. His story was shown to be riddled with contradictions, costing the publications which reported his claims a total of £375,000 in damages and £1 million costs.
*Messham physically attacked a lawyer at the Waterhouse public inquiry into sexual abuse in North Wales. He screamed obscenities at the barrister who was questioning him, leapt out of the witness box, and threw punches at him.
*Documents proved some of Messham’s evidence to the inquiry to be false. Although Sir Ronald Waterhouse concluded that Messham had experienced abuse, he described him as ‘an unreliable witness’ who was unlikely to be trusted by any jury – a conclusion also reached by the Crown Prosecution Service.
Even Messham’s lawyer concedes he may be ‘disturbed’ and that he may have made up some of his claims.
*In 2004, Angus Stickler, the reporter behind this month’s Newsnight story, was publicly criticised for interviewing Messham on Radio 4 without mentioning he was facing charges of defrauding a charity he ran for alleged abuse victims. Messham was later acquitted.
*In 2005, Messham was also cleared of a £33,000 benefits fraud. He admitted concealing savings of £40,000 – a result of compensation for the alleged abuse – when he made claims for income support and housing benefit, but insisted he had not intended to be dishonest.
*Newsnight’s key claim that Messham was prevented from naming Lord McAlpine and other supposed paedophiles at the Waterhouse inquiry was clearly untrue. Transcripts show Messham could say whatever he liked about anyone he chose – and that he did so with abandon over his two weeks of testimony, during which time he did allege that a man referred to only as ‘McAlpine’ had abused him.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm confident this isn't going to work. The truth will out.

I hope so, because it's getting me angrier than anything I can remember in this country.

It's worrying though that we have a better picture and understanding of everything in this thread than is coming from the media. Where are the brave investigations into Sir Peter Morrison, Jimmie McAlpine? They are both dead like Jimmy Savile, and it didn't take much looking for them to demolish him.

Instead the heads that are rolling are at the BBC, while the Government plays games with inquiries into inquiries which already failed and were covered up multiple times already.

Now imagine what we DON'T know.

It's sickening.

I'd love to say I shared the confidence, but the hackjob has already begun.

This makes me sick.

You are attacking a victim of CHILD RAPE, while in the CARE of the state.

 

[Exterminieren]

And, surprise surprise, the Tory press are running Scrap the BBC articles.

Oh, and Boris has pinpointed the REAL tragedy of the situation.

 

[DECK'ARD]

And, surprise surprise, the Tory press are running Scrap the BBC articles.

Oh, and Boris has pinpointed the REAL tragedy of the situation.

What the fuck Boris!

I can't take much more of this.

 

[Exterminieren]

Interesting stuff about the writer of the Mail's hackjob.

This absolutely stinks.

 

[radioheadrule83]

What the fuck Boris!

I can't take much more of this.

I hope this backfires on him like that ridiculous article he wrote about Liverpool all those years ago... what an utter cunt

Interesting stuff about the writer of the Mail's hackjob.

This absolutely stinks.

Thanks for this, I'll be re-sharing it


and guys, have faith. People are disgusted. When you have enough people, of enough will, fighting for justice, the truth has a way of getting out. The Hillsborough revelations were just one great result this year, there can be more if we fight BS like that Mail on Sunday article.

 

[DECK'ARD]

This is the thing, the lengths that have been gone to for decades to protect the guilty and silence the victims means none of this should be surprising, people have done far worse before. From those involved, to those complicit, and people in far higher positions than that Mail journalist as well.

It is surprising though, and deeply depressing because like that social worker says we are back to the days before it was exposed.

They are fighting to keep a lid on it, nothing has changed.

 

[Exterminieren]

and guys, have faith. People are disgusted. When you have enough people, of enough will, fighting for justice, the truth has a way of getting out. The Hillsborough revelations were just one great result this year, there can be more if we fight BS like that Mail on Sunday article.

People are disgusted, alright. They're disgusted at the BBC, and easy targets such as Messham. There's only one way that public disgust is being directed, and it isn't the right one.

 

[Brera]

We have a major problem in the UK.

Readers wanted bigger and badder scandals. Journos have to work harder and harder to out do the last scandal. I guess this pressure got to Newsnight. Also, this "scandal" is pretty much been known for decades but no one wanted to really push it till now...that's the rear scandal.

 

[DECK'ARD]

We have a major problem in the UK.

Readers wanted bigger and badder scandals. Journos have to work harder and harder to out do the last scandal. I guess this pressure got to Newsnight. Also, this "scandal" is pretty much been known for decades but no one wanted to really push it till now...that's the rear scandal.

Well someone did push, but the establishment has pushed back the other way far more effectively.

Now it's back to square one to try and get the focus back where it belongs.

 

[Exterminieren]

The scandal being revealed is the exact opposite of a problem.

The scandal being used to demolish the rivals of the newspapers and being promptly buried again is a problem.

EDIT: It's not going to be often you hear me say this, but Owen Jones is talking sense.

(Trigger warning, if that affects anyone, BTW)

 

[DECK'ARD]

The scandal being revealed is the exact opposite of a problem.

The scandal being used to demolish the rivals of the newspapers and being promptly buried again is a problem.

It's notable that all the work into exposing this has come from television.

From ITV initially with Savile, to Channel 4 news revealing the identity of Sir Peter Morrison and the photographic evidence which was handed to police and later confirmed to be true and ordered to be destroyed, and then the Newsnight misstep.

Other things are in the press but there has been no concerted effort to bring it all together in the same way television news tried. Especially highlighted by how the press has run with the Lord McAlpine story while completely ignoring in the main how close he is to the whole scandal and the questions about Jimmie McAlpine. And now obviously it's all about the BBC being in tatters.

It all stinks, the focus is going in totally the wrong direction because of vested interest of newspapers as well as the vested interest of politicians who have sought to stop the truth coming out for decades.

The main thing on the side of the victims now is the Internet, but even that is trying to be discredited with Philip Schofield's stunt and Cameron's awfully convenient witch hunt line just before the next bit broke.

 

[Dabanton]

The thing that gives me hope when reading that daily mail attempted stichup job on Steven Messham is look at the comments at the bottom and how well supported they are. No one with any sense is buying this crap.

And so the Establishment cover up begins.

- Tony58, London, 11/11/2012 6:22
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Stephen Messham has NOTHING to apologise for, it is truly shocking the way this poor man is being vilified and yet again unable to defend himself. He never mentioned Lord McAlpine. Newsnight never mentioned Lord McAlpine. This is a predictable cover up - someone was getting to close to the truth - I bet DM don't show this comment.

- null , 11/11/2012 13:18
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I think the public can smell an attempted smearing campaign. And they can also smell the foul whiff of collusion between our politicians and their skivvies in the press. In an attempt to protect their asses.

 

[Psychotext]

Can already see the wheels in motion to bury all of this. Utterly sickening.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I can imagine the BBC falling on its sword with Question Time as well, instead of any of the questions being asked that should be like with the expenses scandal.

We want to know the truth about floating duckhouses, but the rape of young boys in care by a paedophile known to the chairman of the Conservative party and everyone else it seems, who was Parliamentary Private Secretary to Thatcher and protected for years to the point of possibly interfering with police, destroying evidence and obstructing inquiries into child abuse?

Nope, no story there!

 

[radioheadrule83]

I can imagine the BBC falling on its sword with Question Time as well, instead of any of the questions being asked that should be like with the expenses scandal.

God that was nauseating... lots of questions like "is the BBC in crisis?" -- nobody gives a shit about that, it's a side story / a total distraction. They love naval gazing and talking about themselves.

 

[News Bot]

It's notable that all the work into exposing this has come from television.

From ITV initially with Savile, to Channel 4 news revealing the identity of Sir Peter Morrison and the photographic evidence which was handed to police and later confirmed to be true and ordered to be destroyed, and then the Newsnight misstep.

Other things are in the press but there has been no concerted effort to bring it all together in the same way television news tried. Especially highlighted by how the press has run with the Lord McAlpine story while completely ignoring in the main how close he is to the whole scandal and the questions about Jimmie McAlpine. And now obviously it's all about the BBC being in tatters.

It all stinks, the focus is going in totally the wrong direction because of vested interest of newspapers as well as the vested interest of politicians who have sought to stop the truth coming out for decades.

The main thing on the side of the victims now is the Internet, but even that is trying to be discredited with Philip Schofield's stunt and Cameron's awfully convenient witch hunt line just before the next bit broke.

The internal rivalry between British paper and television bypasses any important issue. Though it would not surprise me one titty bit if figures in the press themselves were implicated.

 

[Wes]

I'm leaving the country if they scrap the BBC. Whoever is calling for that are absolute fools.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm leaving the country if they scrap the BBC. Whoever is calling for that are absolute fools.

The Jubilee and Olympics got in the way, the Government is right back on track again now.

Who cares about victims of child abuse, they never cared before to keep it all covered up for so long in the first place.

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

The Jubilee and Olympics got in the way, the Government is right back on track again now.

Who cares about victims of child abuse, they never cared before to keep it all covered up for so long in the first place.

This. I still have a semblance of hope that inquiries will actually do some good but this attack on the BBC just shows how scummy some of these hacks and their ilk are.
The exposed history of these scandals so far has only stated in my mind that those in power are happy for these abuses to occur. How and why else would they be covered up for so long?

I see this as a chance for parliament and government to clean up their act because all of them are tainted by this cover up. All of them. Sickening.

 

[operon]

The smell of a cover up is really getting rank now, and as for the shameful turning this into an attack on the BBC, one of the few things this country actually does well and we have people wanting it to be shut

 

[captainnapalm]

Will this finally prompt a change in continued support for the corrupt elite class and ruling regime? The more I think about, the more I can't get my head around how big it is.

I'm not from the UK, but people there should be glad and relieved that this has come out. Think of all the future children that could be saved. Think of how these bastards have been having their way for decades. This cancerous tumour needed to be exposed.

I'm kind of amazed that it as come out. It's like the systems of control are breaking down. People are wising up and not just toeing the same old line.

 

[DECK'ARD]

The smell of a cover up is really getting rank now, and as for the shameful turning this into an attack on the BBC, one of the few things this country actually does well and we have people wanting it to be shut

Like I said, I'm really not one for conspiracy theories but this all just stinks and the more that comes out the worse it gets and the more existing things get confirmed like with Sir Peter Morrison.

And those involved with trying to expose it in the past at expense to their jobs are all warning it's all happening again. Savile seemed like the tip of an iceberg, but that iceberg also goes right to the heart of power over many consecutive governments. There's a LOT of vested interest in not seeing that iceberg exposed.

Sadly it seems at the moment to be a case of trying to collect all the pieces together as best we can, which I've been trying to do, because the media seems conflicted while we wait for the full public inquiry into it all which we may never get.

Will this finally prompt a change in continued support for the corrupt elite class and ruling regime? The more I think about, the more I can't get my head around how big it is.

It's staggeringly big.

Involving failure of every institution from Government, local council, social services to police. Over decades and consecutive governments of both main parties, everyone looking out for everyone's back apart from the victims.

This is a chance for our country to clean up our act, if we don't we have failed the hundreds of children already and put more at risk in the future.

 

[Dabanton]

I think we should also remember that this scandal could engulf the royal family. Who would have their people briefing frantically. In fact isn't it neat that there hasn't really been any noted mainstream stories about how close they were.

Savile was a very,very good friend of the royals for years heck he was even giving relationship advice to some of them.

I would advise people to also read up about Lord Mountbatten (Prince Phillips uncle and prince charles who was his grand-nephew) and Jimmy Saviles connections.

 

[zoukka]

Money can buy your evil ass anything.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I think we should also remember that this scandal could engulf the royal family. Who would have their people briefing frantically. In fact isn't it neat that there hasn't really been any noted mainstream stories about how close they were.

Savile was a very,very good friend of the royals for years heck he was even giving relationship advice to some of them.

I would advise people to also read up about Lord Mountbatten (Prince Phillips uncle and prince charles who was his grand-nephew) and Jimmy Saviles connections.

Anything is possible now.

It's also worth noting that just with Savile and North Wales you are looking at over a thousand victims of child abuse.

The true number doesn't even bear thinking about.

 

[Dabanton]

Will this finally prompt a change in continued support for the corrupt elite class and ruling regime? The more I think about, the more I can't get my head around how big it is.

I'm not from the UK, but people there should be glad and relieved that this has come out. Think of all the future children that could be saved. Think of how these bastards have been having their way for decades. This cancerous tumour needed to be exposed.

I'm kind of amazed that it as come out. It's like the systems of control are breaking down. People are wising up and not just toeing the same old line.

It's become to big to hide. I don't even think 'them' throwing the public a few bits of rancid meat like Gary Glitter and Freddie Starr will do, those guys are small fry. This scandal is creeping towards the right honorables and the lords of this land.

I would not doubt that the ones who engaged in stuff like this have incriminating stuff on each other a mutually assured destruction if you will.

Sooner rather than later someone is going to flip when the heat comes to their door.

 

[Chinner]

nothings going to happen, is it?

 

[Opus Angelorum]

nothings going to happen, is it?

Nothing.

 

[DECK'ARD]

nothings going to happen, is it?

If it doesn't we have failed as a country.

It has to happen, if it doesn't now it never will.