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[Cosmonaut X]

Fucking hell at the stuff on page 2 of the Scallywag article. One of the rapists at the children's homes was a Police Superintendent, all 6 members of the police accused took early retirement. No prosecutions followed.

The Crown Prosectuion Service said "It is not in the public's interest to prosecute these police officers".

I'm at a fucking loss with all this.

"Not in the public interest" seems to be a refrain here. They're always very concerned about the cost to the public; less so about grown men fucking little boys.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Much more of this and I'm going to go and set up camp in Parliament Square myself.

It's absolutely fucking disgraceful.

 

[NinjaFridge]

As I read this I can't help but think of the Marc Dutroux case. You can't ignore the similarities. Has this the possibility of turning into an international case?

 

[DECK'ARD]

A source in Dolphin Square told us: "We often have underage boys wandering the corridors totally lost, asking for the flat of a particular MP". According to our source, young boys were often guests at private parties in Dolphin Square lasting into the small hours. "David Steel who has an apartment here is rather fond of late nights" our source added.

Julian Lewis was responsible for changes to the Freedom Of Information Act to prevent MP's addresses being disclosed.

Dolphin Square was also home to Derek Laud.

Many of the victims, as adults, now suffer from grave psychological problems, manic depression, and drug and alcohol dependencies.

The deaths listed since on the previous page are certainly testament to that

Apart from the 'unexplained' ones and the arson story.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Finished the Scallywag article, it's incredibly damning and at the end even dares those named to sue them as they'd love to drag their names through the courts and defend the story as no one was there to defend the children.

Saying if they don't let their silence incriminate them.

 

[Psychotext]

Finished the Scallywag article, it's incredibly damning and at the end even dares those named to sue them as they'd love to drag their names through the courts and defend the story as no one was there to defend the children.

Saying if they don't let their silence incriminate them.

I wonder how he'd feel seeing it all dredged up again now. A shame he died in that car crash really. =/

 

[DECK'ARD]

Yes... and he ended up dead sometime later when still investigating the paedophile ring.

Only 58 as well, after a 'short illness' in 2000. Can't find much else about it, the day after his birthday.

Stinks doesn't really even begin to cover all this now, I can't really think of a word that does.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Ok, this is actually scaring me now. Usenet post by Scallywag's co-founder Simon Regan, now dead, in 1997 about trying to find the killer of Scallywag's founding co-editor Angus Wilson in Cyprus:

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/soc.culture.greek/CkJUEfcyVYU

I was with Angus on the Friday before the visit in a pub in Primrose Hill, north London, when all four were in holiday mood. He told me that he had been supplied with compromising pictures of the then Minister of Defence, Michael Portillo, who lost his seat by a narrow margin in the last general election. He had the prints but wanted to raise money for the negatives and he was going to get Nadir involved. Peter Diamond had intimated that Nadir would indeed be very interested in seeing the pictures, and perhaps using them to put pressure on the British Government.

Edit: From that post, the Scallywag website preserved by the Internet Archive before Julian Lewis got it taken down:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/19991215000000*/http://www.scallywag.org

Goes back to 1997, looks like it got taken down at the start of 2003.

 

[Psychotext]

Hmm... I edited as it seemed the author died in a car crash. Hard to find solid info though.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Hmm... I edited as it seemed the author died in a car crash. Hard to find solid info though.

That was Angus Wilson mentioned above, in Cyprus.

Both founders of Scallywag dead. Wilson in 1994, aged 31, and Regan in 2000, aged 58.

The Scallywag article was in issue 22, published in 1994.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

...and that appears to be Dave Lee Travis arrested by police in connection with the abuse investigations.

 

[DECK'ARD]

...and that appears to be Dave Lee Travis arrested by police in connection with the abuse investigations.

No surprise there.

More on Prince Charles, Savile and the Bishop:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-bishop-arrested-in-uk-child-abuse-probe.html

Prince Charles Provided Free House To Bishop Arrested in UK Child Abuse Probe

The UK’s spiraling child-abuse scandal has already reached Prince Charles once – he was a good friend of the children’s TV presenter Jimmy Savile who was hailed as an eccentric saint in his lifetime but has been unmasked as a predatory paedophile in death - and now the prince’s judgment is being called into question again, after it emerged that a retired Church of England bishop arrested yesterday by police investigating historic allegations of child sex abuse was given a free house to live in by Charles after the bishop resinged in disgrace having received a police caution for committing acts of gross indecency against a 17-year old trainee monk.

Sussex police arrested the 80 year-old Rt Rev Peter Ball, former bishop Gloucester, on Tuesday morning on suspicion of eight sex offences against eight boys and young men in the late Eighties and Nineties, after carrying out a "comprehensive and painstaking" analysis of internal church files “relating to certain child safeguarding issues within the Chichester diocese from between 20 and 25 years ago", the Guardian reported.

Ball was created bishop of Gloucester in 1991 at a ceremony attended by Prince Charles. But in 1993, Ball resigned in disgrace after receiving a police caution for committing an act of ‘gross indecency’ against a teenage trainee monk. The young man involved, Neil Todd, spoke out about Ball’s ‘mental, sexual and physical' abuse on the BBC in May.

Astonishingly, after he left the clergy in such appalling circumstances, Prince Charles provided Ball with a grace-and-favour home, Manor Lodge, in the Somerset village of Aller. The wisteria-clad property is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, Charles’s private estate.

At the time, Ball said: "He has been wonderfully kind and allowed me to have a duchy house. The prince is a loyal friend. I have immense admiration for him, he has been through horrific times and is a great person."

Charles’s admiration for Ball was underlined when Ball gave the homily at the funeral of Camilla Parker Bowles’s father, Major Bruce Shand, in 2006.

The BBC report stated that, despite the caution he received from police, he continued to work in churches until 2010.

In a statement yesterday Sussex police said: "The investigation, which relates to alleged offences not previously reported to Sussex police, has taken six months so far. This is a very complex inquiry, in the course of which many people, all now adults, have had to be traced, together with other witnesses and records from a wide variety of sources, and there is continuing consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service.

"There are no allegations of recent or current offending and police emphasise that there is nothing to suggest that any young people are currently at risk."

The news of Peter Ball’s re-arrest comes shortly after the Queen’s former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter, said that Jimmy Savile’s behaviour when invited to St James' Palace was a cause for "concern and suspicion".

“He would walk into the office and do the rounds of the young ladies taking their hands and rubbing his lips all the way up their arms if they were wearing short sleeves," Arbiter said. "If it was summer [and their arms were bare] his bottom lip would curl out and he would run it up their arms. This was at St James's Palace. The women were in their mid to late 20s doing typing and secretarial work."

Asked about Savile's behaviour with the royal assistants or whether Prince Charles had taken any action to find out if anyone in his family or staff might have suffered any abuse or have any information relating to the criminal investigation into Savile's alleged paedophilia a spokesman for the prince told the Guardian: "We have no record of anyone making a complaint…The prince first met Savile through their shared interest in supporting disability charities [the prince became patron of the British Wheelchair Sports Foundation in the late 1970s] and it was primarily because of this connection that they maintained a relationship in the years that followed."

Arbiter said he struggled to understand why Savile was granted such access to the royal family, "I looked at him as a court jester and told him so," said Arbiter. "I remember calling him an old reprobate and he said 'not so much of the old'."

Savile allegedly helped to mediate between Charles and Diana as their marriage foundered.

Asked by the Royalist about providing free accommodation for Ball, a spokesperson for the Duchy of Cornwall said today they would not comment on individual tenants or their arrangements.

 

[DECK'ARD]

What in the flying fuck!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) was a UK pro-paedophile activist group, founded in October 1974 and officially disbanded in 1984. In January 2006 the Metropolitan Police Service Paedophile Unit finally arrested the last of its members on child pornography charges, with its then leader David Joy warned by his sentencing judge that his beliefs may preclude his ever being released from jail.

In 1978–9, the Paedophile Information Exchange surveyed its members and found that they were most attracted to girls aged 8–11 and boys aged 11–15. In 1978, Glenn Wilson and David Cox approached Mr O’Carroll with a request to study the PIE membership. A meeting was held with the PIE leadership to vet the survey instruments and, after approval, these were distributed to PIE members in the course of their regular mailing. Wilson and Cox went on to use the data in writing their book, The Child-Lovers – a study of paedophilies in society.

Despite the fact that PIE disbanded in 1984, the name still seems to have some power and crops up from time to time in discussions, even in parliament. In the discussions of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Bill in 2000, Sir Paul Beresford had this to say, for example:

"Lightheartedly, I should like to ask the Minister to put himself in the shoes of a well-known paedophile – perhaps we could call him Gary, and imagine a little more hair and some high-heeled shoes to add some character. As a paedophile, Gary believes that it is acceptable to have sex with children. He thinks that the bulk of society is completely out of step. He belongs to a group called the paedophile information exchange, and he and his disgusting friends use the internet to exchange data, ideas, names, photographs and even films related to their paedophile activities. That is all stored electronically, and protected by a sophisticated encryption system."

 

[Clay Davis]

I commend your efforts in posting new news, deck'ard. the uk press has seemingly dropped all interest in the story, which is an absolute travesty based on all the new information that is coming out daily.

it's almost like they've closed ranks and are trying their hardest not to report on it.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I commend your efforts in posting new news, deck'ard. the uk press has seemingly dropped all interest in the story, which is an absolute travesty based on all the new information that is coming out daily.

it's almost like they've closed ranks and are trying their hardest not to report on it.

I'm just staggered there's so much of it, it goes absolutely everywhere.

And for Scallywag to allege all this in 1994, well you just couldn't have unless you had very good sources.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

I'm sure I read something recently about Harriet Harman, her husband and PIE. Hang on a mo...

EDIT:

Here you go, along with more on PIE and the NCCL - http://chris-ukorg.org/paedophile-party-members/p-i-e/

 

[winstano]

BBC Breaking News just tweeted:

"BBC understands ex-@BBCR1 DJ Dave Lee Travis is person arrested in Bedfordshire by police probing #Savile abuse claims bbc.in/QIN7J9"

 

[Globox_82]

deadth sentence for pedophiles.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I'm sure I read something recently about Harriet Harman, her husband and PIE. Hang on a mo...

EDIT:

Here you go, along with more on PIE and the NCCL - http://chris-ukorg.org/paedophile-party-members/p-i-e/

Holy fuck.

More on the NCCL:

By 1978 PIE and Paedophile Action for Liberation had become affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties, now known as Liberty, with members attending meetings. The organisation campaigned against newspapers' treatment of the Paedophile activist groups. Whilst affiliated with NCCL, PIE also campaigned to reduce the age of consent and oppose the proposed banning of child pornography.

In 1976, in a submission to the Criminal Law Revision Committee, the NCCL asserted that “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage” and that the Protection of Children Bill would lead to “damaging and absurd prosecutions”. Whilst PIE was affiliated with it, the organisation argued for incest to be decriminalised and argued that sexually explicit photographs of children should be legal unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered harm or that the an inference to that effect or to the effect that harm might have been caused could reasonably be drawn from the images themselves, with Harriet Harman (later deputy leader of the Labour Party) arguing that it would “increase censorship”.NCCL had excluded PIE by 1983.

The Brighton arson attack article alleged that victims of North Wales were killed because they knew too much of the porn and drugs ring that the abuse was connected with.

The Scallywag article from 1994 goes into that in great detail, and how pornographic material made in the care homes was distributed and sold.

Messham handed in a book of photos to police, which was then ordered to be destroyed.

 

[Whelan]

DLT was in that crazy Cartoon version of events mentioned earlier in the thread. They must have had inside info!

Edit:
here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsUwmzv9hzo&feature=g-all-u

Oh my god :lol

Fantastic!

Was that Dave Lee Travis tit-grabbin'?

I want this game.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Holy fuck.

There's a lot to take in, and it makes the point again that this isn't just a Tory thing - there are politicians on all sides, many still active or influential today, who were involved, even tangentially, in this. Harman putting her name to and arguing in favour of statements like "childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage"? Fuck.

 

[DECK'ARD]

The extent and duration of the abuse makes more sense when seen as a 'business'.

Businesses that want to make money want the clients with most money, those with the most power usually have the most money, and those with the most power can offer the business and those involved most protection. Which is exactly what Scallywag alleged in 1994, and it was shut down and both founders are now dead. But never sued for what it claimed.

The reason it's all interlinked is everyone stood to gain, sickening.

 

[mclem]

BBC Breaking News just tweeted:

"BBC understands ex-@BBCR1 DJ Dave Lee Travis is person arrested in Bedfordshire by police probing #Savile abuse claims bbc.in/QIN7J9"

Hairy cornflake is toast?

 

[DECK'ARD]

We should be on the streets about all this, how are these people escaping justice and in any position of power to tell anyone else what to do.

It goes through all the parties and for decades, you have to lance the boil at some point.

 

[Vagabundo]

This stuff is like something David Icke would come up with.

 

[7aged]

It's depressing how easy it was to bury this scandal. all you have to do is attack the BBC for an editorial mistake and voila we have a BBC crisis. Exactly the same thing happened over the Iraq dossier. They're such a soft target, any small pressure and they get cowed.

 

[DECK'ARD]

How long till Noel Edmonds then?

Drawing messages on his hand to influence the Universe via Deal Or No Deal was getting a bit ahead of himself.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

It's depressing how easy it was to bury this scandal. all you have to do is attack the BBC for an editorial mistake and voila we have a BBC crisis. Exactly the same thing happened over the Iraq dossier. They're such a soft target, any small pressure and they get cowed.

...and there's nothing the media loves to talk about more than the media, so it just dominates the news cycle. Depressing.

 

[PJV3]

I think the NCCL stuff is taken out of context, I hope it is referring to sentencing of convicted nonces. Sexual laws were Victorian in those days, husbands could rape wives and obviously homosexuality was seen as bad. That quote looks fucking terrible today though.

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

This stuff is like something David Icke would come up with.

It's the other way around. David Icke used a lot of this information in his talks and speeches. There's a blog that shows where David Icke and others used information from Scallywag and similar articles in their own material.

 

[DECK'ARD]

It's the other way around. David Icke used a lot of this information in his talks and speeches. There's a blog that shows where David Icke and others used information from Scallywag and similar articles in their own material.

Yeah, and ironically David Icke harmed the cause by associating this with all the other nonsense he was coming out with.

If the now dead founders of Scallywag could see all this coming out now they'd be saying don't let it be drowned out and silenced again. I hope the Internet in this case proves its worth, because if you can silence it again in this age it doesn't give much hope for the future.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

I think the NCCL stuff is taken out of context, I hope it is referring to sentencing of convicted nonces. Sexual laws were Victorian in those days, husbands could rape wives and obviously homosexuality was seen as bad. It looks fucking terrible today though.

I think there's an element of the NCCL stuff that is legitimate concern about the inequality of the age of consent laws, and about the treatment of gay men, but it also seems as though the organisations - PIE, PAL and, when they latched on to them for a period in the late '70s/early '80s, the NCCL - were being used by paedophiles as a way of contacting other paedophiles, exchanging information and promoting their agenda using that concern as a cover.

 

[Kelthink]

This is completely fucked. And absolutely no chance of anybody but former high-profile celebs being arrested because it's (probably) seemingly very tidy for these individuals to be arrested, rather than Lords or former policemen. But there are far too many powerful people involved. It took 23 years for the Hillborough disaster files to be released, despite it being fairly self-contained (EDIT: as in, contained in one place, rather than pockets all over the country (and possibly other islands as well, lordi)) and very public; there's so many 'hidden' roots to this that'll be swept away with ease.

Horrible.

 

[Vagabundo]

It's the other way around. David Icke used a lot of this information in his talks and speeches. There's a blog that shows where David Icke and others used information from Scallywag and similar articles in their own material.

Ahh makes sense. I can also understand why he might want to cast these people as giant lizards, the truth that they are human is actually scarier.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I think there's an element of the NCCL stuff that is legitimate concern about the inequality of the age of consent laws, and about the treatment of gay men, but it also seems as though the organisations - PIE, PAL and, when they latched on to them for a period in the late '70s/early '80s, the NCCL - were being used by paedophiles as a way of contacting other paedophiles, exchanging information and promoting their agenda using that concern as a cover.

Yep, cover.

The Scallywag article said even the head of Bryn Estyn latched onto a children's charity through 2 other companies to help them release a charity single.

Which then brings us neatly back to Savile's charity work.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

You can also see how people like Harman have been used - or at least have put themselves in positions of potential embarrassment - over their relatively-fleeting involvement. "Harman promoted paedophilia" is not the kind of thing you'd want dredged up, so perhaps it's in your (political) interest to keep quiet about PIE or PAL, or about some of the people you may have met through them.

The "conspiracy" here isn't - except in some particular aspects - about a group carefully manipulating events, it's about people at all levels with something to lose, no matter how small, keeping quiet rather than upsetting the status quo, most likely reassuring themselves that someone else would do it, or the police would deal with it, or that there was nothing they could have done anyway. And that's exactly what fucks like Savile and others relied on, and why they ingratiated themselves with people in power, from the local level (the police station and the "club" Savile held at his house) up to the national stage (Charles, Diana, Edwina Currie) - the closer they were to them, and the more potential damage and embarrassment they could cause, the more pressure on people to stay quiet and turn a blind eye.

 

[EdwardTivrusky]

You can also see how people like Harman have been used - or at least have put themselves in positions of potential embarrassment - over their relatively-fleeting involvement. "Harman promoted paedophilia" is not the kind of thing you'd want dredged up, so perhaps it's in your (political) interest to keep quiet about PIE or PAL, or about some of the people you may have met through them.

The "conspiracy" here isn't - except in some particular aspects - about a group carefully manipulating events, it's about people at all levels with something to lose, no matter how small, keeping quiet rather than upsetting the status quo, most likely reassuring themselves that someone else would do it, or the police would deal with it, or that there was nothing they could have done anyway. And that's exactly what fucks like Savile and others relied on, and why they ingratiated themselves with people in power, from the local level (the police station and the "club" Savile held at his house) up to the national stage (Charles, Diana, Edwina Currie) - the closer they were to them, and the more potential damage and embarrassment they could cause, the more pressure on people to stay quiet and turn a blind eye.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

 

[DECK'ARD]

You can also see how people like Harman have been used - or at least have put themselves in positions of potential embarrassment - over their relatively-fleeting involvement. "Harman promoted paedophilia" is not the kind of thing you'd want dredged up, so perhaps it's in your (political) interest to keep quiet about PIE or PAL, or about some of the people you may have met through them.

The "conspiracy" here isn't - except in some particular aspects - about a group carefully manipulating events, it's about people at all levels with something to lose, no matter how small, keeping quiet rather than upsetting the status quo, most likely reassuring themselves that someone else would do it, or the police would deal with it, or that there was nothing they could have done anyway. And that's exactly what fucks like Savile and others relied on, and why they ingratiated themselves with people in power, from the local level (the police station and the "club" Savile held at his house) up to the national stage (Charles, Diana, Edwina Currie) - the closer they were to them, and the more potential damage and embarrassment they could cause, the more pressure on people to stay quiet and turn a blind eye.

A huge house of cards, everyone doing their best to stop it collapsing because of vested interest.

Savile being one of the cards right near the bottom from the very start that fell.

 

[phisheep]

This is completely fucked. And absolutely no chance of anybody but former high-profile celebs being arrested because it's (probably) seemingly very tidy for these individuals to be arrested, rather than Lords or former policemen. But there are far too many powerful people involved. It took 23 years for the Hillborough disaster files to be released, despite it being fairly self-contained and very public; there's so many 'hidden' roots to this that'll be swept away with ease.

Horrible.

I think you're right. Not because it is "tidy" but because it'll be difficult after all this time to fix identification evidence from enough people for anyone but a high-profile celebrity (or perhaps a well-known local figure).

 

[DECK'ARD]

I think you're right. Not because it is "tidy" but because it'll be difficult after all this time to fix identification evidence from enough people for anyone but a high-profile celebrity (or perhaps a well-known local figure).

Shame we don't have that book of photos anymore really isn't it

If they really went digging I expect they could turn up quite a lot, especially as the North Wales case and probably the others seems like a money making racket as well. So any payments going into his accounts at the time would be funding child abuse, prostitution and pornography. There would be a money trail to the clients, maybe a hidden one but worth investigating.

The scale of abuse, in multiple areas of the country in the same way, and why it was allowed to continue over decades finally makes sense with that last bit of the jigsaw, it was about money. Power, money, and abuse. Also why it was all buried so very well before and everyone else involved kept so very well hidden.

That's where they need to be looking for the answers, and why they haven't been allowed to before.

 

[Walshicus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20309098

Wonder how many tabloid-owned accounts are commenting there.

 

[DECK'ARD]

The Internet Archive of the Scallywag site before it was taken down by Julian Lewis is a gold mine as well by the way. Masses of stuff, although the printed ones are missing. Namely number 22. What happened after the magazine itself was shut down after John Major suing for the claim he was having an affair (which he was, just not with the person they'd led Scallywag to believe) is preserved though. Julian Lewis seems to have been given the task of shutting them down completely at any cost.

They were very adamant about Lord McAlpine's involvement in it all, it was Alistair, and his connection went into the money side of it as well as what happened in the care homes. Which his cousin Jimmie McAlpine was involved with, identified by one of the victims, and police had reason to seek prosecution over. Till they were told no. Money does seem likely, Lord McAlpine was the treasurer of the Conservative party after all.

Also, if Lord McAlpine is so bothered now why wasn't he in 1994? NONE of those named by Scallywag for the abuse sued. Yet the Prime Minister John Major happily sued them for just the claim of an affair while he was having an affair. The main difference now is Scallywag is defunct, both founders are dead, and this time it involves the BBC.

 

[kitch9]

This is completely fucked. And absolutely no chance of anybody but former high-profile celebs being arrested because it's (probably) seemingly very tidy for these individuals to be arrested, rather than Lords or former policemen. But there are far too many powerful people involved. It took 23 years for the Hillborough disaster files to be released, despite it being fairly self-contained and very public; there's so many 'hidden' roots to this that'll be swept away with ease.

Horrible.

Will people calm down.... Our justice system requires a little thing called evidence. The police will arrest anyone who they feel they have a case to answer. Whilst the papers may be happy to label someone a peado on the word of some random saying celeb x tried it on when they were underage, the police need a bit more than that..

Unfortunately this situation will bring out the cranks who are just after attention and attention seeking, so they will need to sift through that.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Will people calm down.... Our justice system requires a little thing called evidence. The police will arrest anyone who they feel they have a case to answer. Whilst the papers may be happy to label someone a peado on the word of some random saying celeb x tried it on when they were underage, the police need a bit more than that..

Unfortunately this situation will bring out the cranks who are just after attention and attention seeking, so they will need to sift through that.

I see you haven't been reading much again.

 

[Walshicus]

I see you haven't been reading much again.

Needs more Labour MPs named.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Anyone who hasn't done so should read the whole Scallywag article on the previous page, as depressing as it is.

They claimed all this way back in 1994, to do so on no grounds would have been impossible, and it all ties up with what has come out recently and since. They had VERY good sources at the time, and both of the founders are now dead. Along with some of the children who were abused, some unexplained and at least one unlawfully killed.

Even Messham is mentioned, and was beaten up twice after the claims broke. Much the same way as the Mail On Sunday decided to beat him up in print this time.

Edit:

Part 1: http://i.imgur.com/ccFfC.jpg
Part 2: http://i.imgur.com/mXWi6.jpg
Part 3: http://i.imgur.com/sEUuX.jpg
Part 4: http://i.imgur.com/r6OXa.jpg

We can't afford to be ignorant to all this, we owe it to the victims.

 

[Kelthink]

Unfortunately this situation will bring out the cranks who are just after attention and attention seeking, so they will need to sift through that.

Aaaaaagh

Aaaaaghaghgjaf

Afgawsghagafhgaufga fuck

The cranks? The fucking cranks? You mean the individuals who grew up after being abused as children and have had nobody to turn to for many, many years? Most of them either went crazy or killed themselves for a reason, you egg.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Aaaaaagh

Aaaaaghaghgjaf

Afgawsghagafhgaufga fuck

The cranks? The fucking cranks? You mean the individuals who grew up after being abused as children and have had nobody to turn to for many, many years? Most of them either went crazy or killed themselves for a reason, you egg.

The way the media has tried to manipulate public opinion that way makes me sick.

Notice it only happened when it involved someone who was a Lord, until then victims coming forward were supported at every stage.

 

[DECK'ARD]

The full letter Simon Regan wrote regarding the Waterhouse inquiry, worth reading:

The Waterhouse Report

By Simon Regan

20 February 2000

The fact that the Waterhouse report went as far as it did is highly commendable, and obviously long overdue. But the trouble with any investigation which tries to break through a 'cult of silence' is the lingering doubts that it will ever get down to the whole full truth of the matter. Waterhouse is probably merely the tip of the iceberg.

The report suggests there is 'no evidence' that Freemasonry had anything to do with the scandal. Yet there were two inadequate and inconclusive police inquiries, including one into a senior officer, by a force in North Wales riddled with freemasons.

There was a consistent lack of initiative on the part of the local Clwyd CC in the face of overwhelming evidence of consistent child abuse at Bryn Estyn, ostensibly because the council insurers advised against any action. This in itself insults democracy in a way that borders on the criminal. By a policy of non-action, both the police and the council became embroiled in a blatant cover-up.

Anyone who has even vaguely become acquainted with paedophilia knows very well that they will go to the ends of the earth to keep their activities absolutely secret. They are professional experts in covering their tracks.

In the early nineties, in the now defunct Scallywag magazine, which I founded, we interviewed in some depth twelve former inmates at Bryn Estyn who had all been involved in the Wrexham paedophile ring, which the tribunal acknowledges existed. Most of these interviews were extremely harrowing and disturbing, but were gently and sensitively conducted over pub lunches where the victim could relax. We subsequently persuaded ten of them to make sworn affidavits which we proposed to use as back up to half a dozen paedophile stories we later published.

Two of these young men, who had been 14-years-old at the time, swore they had been not only introduced to the paedophile ring operating in the Crest Hotel in Wrexham but had later been escorted on three or four occasions to an address in Pimlico where they were further abused.

We took them separately to Pimlico and asked them to point out the building where this had taken place. They were both positive in their identification. It turned out to be the private flat of a well known, and since highly discredited lobbyist who later went into obscurity in some disgrace because of his involvement with Mohammed al-Fayed and the 'cash for questions' scandal. At the time we ran a story entitled 'Boys for Questions' and named several prominent members of the then Thatcher government. These allegations went to the very top of the Tory party, yet there was a curious and almost ominous lack of writs.

The lobbyist was a notorious 'queen' who specialised in gay parties with a 'political mix' in the Pimlico area - most convenient to the Commons - and which included selected flats in Dolphin Square. The two young men were able to give us very graphic descriptions of just what went on, including acts of buggery, and alleged that they were only two of many from children's homes other than North Wales.

There was, to my certain knowledge, at least one resignation from the Conservative office in Smith Square once we had published our evidence and named names.

Subsequently, over a rent dispute which is still a matter of litigation, Dr. Julian Lewis, now Conservative MP for New Forest (East) but then deputy head of research at Conservative Central Office in Smith Square, managed to purchase the contents of our offices, which included all our files. It had been alleged that we owed rent, which we disputed, but under a court order the landlords were able to change the locks and seize our assets which included all our files, including those we had made on paedophiles. It was apparently quite legal, but it was most certainly a dirty trick.

All of a sudden very private information, some of it even privileged between ourselves and our lawyer during the John Major libel action, was being published in selected, pro-Conservative sections of the media.

Subsequently, during a court case initiated by Lewis, I was able in my defence to seek discovery of documents and asked to see the seized files. The paedophile papers were missing. This is a very great shame, because Sir Ronald Waterhouse certainly should have been aware of them.

I believe that the secrecy the Establishment wraps around itself easily equals that of the paedophiles. They really do look after each other and quite professionally cover their tracks.

The real trouble about exposing paedophiles is that former victims of child abuse make lousy witnesses. By the very nature of the abuse, when they are rudely shoved out into the wide world (one of the witnesses, Stephen Messham, for example, was released on his sixteenth birthday on Christmas day after two years of abuse, and had to sleep rough on the streets for four and a half months), they are often deeply psychologically disturbed.

Some of the extreme cases commit suicide, many more were sexually disorientated in the worst possible way. Some became gay prostitutes, others drug addicts, and in nearly every case, at some stage, they needed lengthy counselling. Marriages quickly disintegrated in psychological turmoil and a lot of former victims had real difficulties raising their own children. There are very few victims of child abuse who come out of it without deep scars.

It was all very well for us to take statements from former victims in the cosy atmosphere of a pub lunch, but put them up against an agile and eminent QC whose sole task is to discredit them, and they quickly crumble, even break down in tears. Many former victims now have criminal records of some kind, owing almost exclusively to the abuse itself, and the barrister will brutally exploit this as evidence that the witness is unreliable and tainted. Faced with the choice of a clearly neurotic young man who quickly falls down in the witness box, and a smooth, experienced, erudite and often highly respected culprit, juries tend to give the accused the benefit of the doubt.

I watched it in the now famous Court 13 at the High Court during the libel action between former Supt. Gordon Anglesey and Private Eye (and others) when, despite the fact that under cross examination, Anglesey had to admit that his evidence did not correspond with his own notebooks, the 'other side' subsequently tore the five main prosecution witnesses to pieces in a monumental act of judicial harassment. Like the whole story of child abuse in North Wales and elsewhere, it broke my heart.

Simon Regan (deceased) was editor of Scallywag Magazine

This wasn't someone making up conspiracy stories, this was someone campaigning to get the truth out and justice for the victims.

Justice we have still yet to see another 12 years on from that letter and 30 years on from when the abuse took place.

 

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Update #2:

We now have a complete summary of how you get from Jimmy Savile to Lord McAlpine, please do make sure you read the Scallywag section and that which follows especially.

This is all compiled from news articles that have come out since the scandal broke, and those that were already out there.


Jimmy Savile

- ITV airs investigation revealing victims of abuse by Jimmy Savile, former DJ and television presenter at the BBC plus notable charity worker
- Police start investigation and hear from hundreds of victims over 40 years
- BBC revealed to have pulled an earlier investigation which made similar claims
- Videos of his BBC shows have Gary Glittler as a guest boasting of the girls they have
- A video shows Savile trying to molest one on air during Top Of The Pops, she went to floor managers about it but they laughed it off
- Savile revealed to have abused patients through his charity work at Stoke Mandeville hospital, the youngest being 8
- Savile had been given keys to Broadmoor high-security psychiatric hospital with unrestricted access
- Savile boasted in his autobiography that he slept with an underage girl but nothing came of it because he would 'take down half the station with him'
- Savile held a 'Friday Club' with members of the police both serving and retired every week for 20 years
- Savile was basically 'untouchable'
- Freddie Starr, comedian, arrested over similar allegations
- Several close friends of Savile said to have fled the country
- ITV preparing second programme concerning Savile's early years
- Dave Lee Travis, also a former DJ at the BBC and Top Of The Pops presenter, arrested
- Others still being investigated


North Wales child abuse scandal (1974-1990)

The fact Savile was untouchable, and this all went on in plain sight for decades, reopened questions about the abuse in care homes which Savile visited regularly in North Wales.

- Between 1974 and 1990, up to 650 children from 40 children's homes such as Bryn Estyn were sexually, physically and emotionally abused
- Only 9 people were charged, 7 convicted, and no one outside the care homes
- Persistent allegations were that the homes were visited by prominent people in the public eye and politicians at unexplained times, and also to collect boys and abuse them in local hotels and residences in London
- Jillings in his inquiry regretted he did not have the mandate to investigate these allegations further
- Jillings was also concerned there was a widespread paedophile ring in North Wales and the North West, of which there had been warnings 4 years earlier, and went to the Chief Constable about it
- The Jillings report was instead however ordered not to be published as not being in the public interest, having been warned by insurers of the cost of compensation to all the victims
- Parts of the unpublished Jillings report were leaked by a whistleblower which led to the Waterhouse inquiry
- The Waterhouse inquiry forbid any naming or investigation of those not already convicted
- Up to 60 names were removed from one victim's statement alone
- At least 16 victims of the abuse are now dead, 3 from suicide


Gateshead child abuse (1966-1973) / Peter Howarth / North Wales

- Peter Howarth taught at Gateshead's Axwell Park, a Home Office run school for troubled youngers where he abused children
- No charges or action was taken and he was then appointed deputy head at Bryn Estyn children's home where he continued to abuse the children in its care
- If action had been taken then at least one of those involved in the abuse in North Wales could have been stopped before it happened
- A victim of the abuse in North Wales said children were regularly abused for the 'entertainment' of Savile at the home in the presence of Peter Howarth
- Children were taken to Savile in Howarth's flat
- When the social worker blew the whistle on the abuse after police and council refused to take any action, Howarth was one of only 7 who were convicted.
- The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge 6 members of the police, including a Superintendent, saying it was 'not in the public interest to prosecute these police officers'
- All 6 members of the police took early retirement
- No charges were made against Savile or anyone outside the care homes
- Nothing about Savile, or anyone else, came out at all


Islington child abuse scandal (1970's-1980's)

This also happened in Islington where each of the 24 care homes was found to be abusing children.

- The abuse spanned the 1970's and 1980's, it is still unclear the number of victims and no one was charged
- It wasn't revealed until 1992 when a social worker blew the whistle after the police and council refused to take any action
- Although there were then as many as 13 inquiries, proving the abuse took place, none of them looked at the perpetrators
- The original whistleblower said when the story broke 'everyone just left the council'
- Some are still running councils elsewhere
- Perpetrators escaped conviction and went on to abuse elsewhere, some had links to those at other care homes
- One was arrested in Thailand in 2006 for abusing as many as 300 children

The head of Islington council at the time, Margaret Hodge, was later appointed Minister For Children in Tony Blair's government.


Jersey child abuse scandal (1960's-1980's)

- Jersey police have so far recorded complaints from at least 100 former child residents of Haut de la Garenne
- Only 6 were passed on for prosecution citing reasons that the complaints were not substantive enough
- 3 were dropped
- Of the 3 remaining one was a former child resident, the others carers, and all were convicted
- One of the perpetrators suspected in the Islington scandal was said to be involved with Haut de la Garenne
- Again, no one outside the care homes was charged
- There has been widespread criticism of the official investigations into it
- An American journalist, Leah McGrath Goodman, has been banned from the UK after saying she was investigating the abuse claims


Rochdale child abuse scandal (2007-2012)

- 9 Asian men were jailed for grooming young white girls for sex over 5 years
- Children and their parents went repeatedly to police and social services for help but were ignored
- Victims were said to be 'making their own choices', some were as young as 12
- A report in Rotherham found agencies there were aware of similar abuse but did nothing, and no one was prosecuted


Lord McAlpine

Lord McAlpine was named by one of the victims in North Wales, leading to a statement denying it from Lord McAlpine and the resignation of the BBC's Director General. This followed a warning from Cameron on ITV about a witch hunt. However there is more to the story.

- Lord McAlpine's cousin, Jimmie McAlpine, was identified by one of the victims in North Wales but had died before the Waterhouse inquiry
- Boys were regularly taken to do work at 2 homes of the McAlpine family according to a local councillor
- Photographic evidence handed into police by one of the victims was ordered to be destroyed
- Police said to have had extensive reasons to link Jimmie McAlpine to the abuse in the care homes, no action was taken
- All names were removed from the Waterhouse report
- The inquiry itself was halted on one occasion when a particular name came up
- Steve Messham, who named Lord McAlpine and confirmed as a genuine victim of the abuse at the care home by the social worker who blew the whistle about North Wales, attacked in widely criticised article by the Sunday Mail which referred to him as a 'weirdo'
- Integrity and motives of Mail journalist are questioned
- Media focus shifts completely to the 'crisis' at the BBC


Sir Peter Morrison

Sir Peter Morrison, Parliamentary Private Secretary to the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was identified on Channel 4 news by eye witness as one of the perpetrators in North Wales who was not revealed at the time nor charged.

- Edwina Currie's diaries published in 2002 had already named him as a 'noted pedarest' with a 'liking for young boys' and expressed concern at him being appointed PPS to Thatcher for fear of the press revealing it
- Currie was also responsible for appointing Savile to his role at Broadmoor
- Margaret Thatcher was said to either not be aware or 'taking a gamble'
- Norman Tebbit, Chairman of the Conservative party, was aware of it
- Teresa Gorman MP said his agent had been offered money to keep quiet about his activities


Sir Cyril Smith

- Sir Cyril Smith, Liberal Democrat MP for Rochdale, named in House Of Commons as a repeated abuser of young boys and urged victims to come forward
- He was investigated by Lancashire police in the 1960's but no action was taken
- Persistent allegations had been made over the years but still no action was taken
- MP said there had been a long-standing culture in Rochdale of 'hiding the truth'


The Church Of England and the Royal Family

- Peter Ball, former Church Of England Bishop, arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting boys as young as 12
- A second unnamed man, a retired Anglican priest has also been arrested
- The arrest came as part of the investigation into Savile, on suspicion of 8 new offences against boys and young men in the 1980's and 1990's
- Ball had already been cautioned in 1993 for an act of 'gross indecency' against a teenage monk, after which he resigned
- Ball, like Savile, was a close friend of Prince Charles
- After he resigned the clergy Prince Charles gave him a grace and favour home, Manor Lodge, in the Somerset village of Aller
- The property is owned by the Duchy of Cornwall, Prince Charles' private estate
- Despite the caution Ball continued to work in churches till 2010
- The Queen's former press secretary, Dickie Arbiter, said Savile's behaviour when invited to St. James' Palace was 'cause for concern'
- Arbiter said he could never understand why Savile was granted such access to the Royal Family


Scallywag Magazine

Scallywag was a satirical and investigative magazine, similar to Private Eye, published in the 1990's.

- Issue 22, published in 1994, contained a story 'Lord McAlpine and the Paedophile Ring' alleging much of what has now come out of a widespread paedophile ring and also a connection to those in Government
- It also alleged there was a wider problem involving the use of the care homes for the production and sale of child pornography and also drugs and prostitution. Involving the use of the children in care as rent boys for wealthy clients and those in power
- Following the recent statement from Lord McAlpine, in which he sued the BBC and which shifted the focus of the media completely, the article surfaced in its entirety online. It can be read here:

Part 1: http://i.imgur.com/ccFfC.jpg
Part 2: http://i.imgur.com/mXWi6.jpg
Part 3: http://i.imgur.com/sEUuX.jpg
Part 4: http://i.imgur.com/r6OXa.jpg

- At the time NONE of those named in the article, including Lord McAlpine, sued
- The article ended by saying they would welcome being sued as they would defend the story as no one was there to defend the children
- The Prime Minister John Major however did sue Scallywag and its distributors for the claim he was having an affair with Claire Latimer and won. Forcing Scallywag out of production
- Claire Latimer later claimed Major used her as a 'decoy'
- Major was later confirmed to have been having an affair at the time with Edwina Currie
- Following the shut-down of the printed magazine Scallywag tried to continue online
- Julian Lewis MP sued their service provider and got them to shut it down while he was standing for election, using a rarely known electoral law about someone standing against him trying to influence voting
- Simon Regan, co-founder of Scallywag, was standing against him at the time claiming he was a liar and not fit for office
- Angus Wilson, the other co-founder of Scallywag, was killed in 1994 in a car crash in Cyprus aged 31
- You can read Simon Regan's appeal to find his killer, posted on Usenet in 1997, here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/soc.culture.greek/CkJUEfcyVYU

- Regan's letter from February 2000, regarding the Waterhouse inquiry and his own personal feelings about the abuse that had occurred and how is was being handled then, can be read here:

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/scallywag-magazine-how-torys-cover-up.html

- Regan died of a 'short illness' in the summer of 2000 the day after his birthday, aged 58, little else is known


Fate of some of the victims

A list posted by MP Paul Flynn of respondent witnesses mentioned in the 2002 inquiry report which was meant to be pulped in a cover-up. One copy survived and wound up at the Independent on Sunday:

R1: Fell to his death from a railway bridge. Former resident of Bryn Alyn Home.

R2: May, 1978, committed suicide aged 16 by taking an overdose of pain killing tablets. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R3: March 1985, was found dead in a flat in which he was living in poverty, aged 21. Former resident of Little Acton Assessment centre.

R4: April 1992, died in a fire aged 32 in premises in which he lived in Sussex. The inquest verdict – unlawful killing. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R5: June 1992, found dead aged 18 in a bed-sitter. Cause of death, acute respiratory failure due to solvent abuse. Former resident of Bryn Alyn.

R6: January, 1994, committed suicide by hanging, aged 27.

R7: April, 1994, died aged 27 from alcohol abuse. Allegations that he had been the subject of a serious sexual offence. Former Bryn Estyn resident.

R8: July 1994, found dead in a car, aged 18. Former foster child in Clwyd where he allegedly suffered from maltreatment.

R9: November, 1994, committed suicide aged 16 by hanging.

R10: February, 1995, died from and apparent heroin overdose aged 37. Former resident of Bryn Alyn where it was alleged he had been sexually abused.

R11: February, 1995, hanged himself aged 31. Allegations of sexual abuse against care workers.

R12: May, 1995, found hanging aged 27. Allegations that he had been sexually abused by a senior care worker. Former resident of Bryn Estyn.

More on R4, verdict unlawful killing, can be read here from 1997:

http://google-law.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/arson-cover-up-north-wales-child-abuse.html


Current inquiries

There are currently at least 9 separate inquiries investigating the BBC, police, social services, and the previous inquiries. Demands are being made by the opposition and those involved with exposing the previous cases of abuse for a single overarching public inquiry into all the allegations and confirmed cases of child abuse.

No attempt at all has been made at any point to try and get a complete picture of the child abuse that was happening throughout the country, because of the limited mandates of each inquiry, nor identify and investigate all the perpetrators of it and bring them to justice.

The unpublished Jillings report said victims were sacrificed to protect those in professional positions at every stage.

Peers in the House Of Lords have demanded the inquiry into the Waterhouse inquiry be dropped or amended. The opposition have repeated their demand for a wider public inquiry but the Government has said it will not be changing its position.


Links

Original whistleblower in North Wales warns of the shift of focus and attempts to discredit victims of child abuse:

http://news.sky.com/story/1010077/concerns-over-treatment-of-child-abuse-victims

Eye witness describes what went on at the care homes in North Wales:

http://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-eyewitness-saw-thatcher-aide-take-boys-to-abuse

McAlpine aftermath: Peers demand child abuse investigation is dropped:

http://m.politics.co.uk/news/2012/11/14/peers-want-probe-into-child-abuse-inquiry-dropped

The North Wales child abuse scandal: A damaged generation waits for justice 30 years on:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...on-waits-for-justice-30-years-on-8303901.html

(links to all the news articles used to make this summary are posted in the thread, I will add more to this section later)