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Child Abuse Scandal in UK grows to implicate MPs, celebs - Update Posts #900/#1100
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phisheep
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Indeed.
This is bit is particularly important:
at least so far as abusers is concerned (so there is sufficient weight of evidence to put them away). Can't for the moment see there's net benefit in sharing the identities of victims any further than is strictly necessary - access to that database could be yet another paedo-magnet.
Don't want to burst bubbles, but is this not a bit of a switcheroo? There's no mention of individuals in powerful positions; mention of Rochdale and no Sir Cyril Smith, for example? Child abuse is horrific in any case but it sounds like a distraction.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Holy fuck the scale of this thing is extremely mind-boggling O__________O
Indeed, required quite an out-of-the-box solution to try and get it tackled.
Fingers-crossed.
SouthernDragon
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This is so mind boggling, I'm not even sure how to approach it. I do hope justice is done.
The mind-bogglingness of it was one of the biggest things getting in the way of tackling it, no one wanted to grasp the nettle.
I'm glad the BBC were the first to jump though, gets things back on track. And Sky News' headline is brutal.
Give the butterly effect a chance son
I'm cynical. I just cannot see high-level individuals being publically implicated after the Lord McAllbran affair. That and I've heard the odd whisper about a very prominent royal being involved. Far easier to shift the focus on 'criminal gangs' (who do exist, I'm not denying), who can easily be seen as 'evil' quite comfortably by the public.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Yup, gangs and rings they always like to trot that one out rather than focus on individuals as it sounds scarier.
phisheep
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To an extent. The "gangs and groups" thing sounds much more like it is "them" rather than "us". Also sounds localised and kind of controllable.
So yeah, it's a distraction from the big powerful-people stuff. That's not to say that it is a bad thing, but it might take the eye off the ball (or one of the balls) a bit.
I bet there is some good evidence buried in the various political parties' Whip's offices though.
Depends how gutsy they are. There's a strong suggestion here that the BBC overpaid by rather a lot in damages, but it will make others circumspect.
What they don't any of them seem to have realised is that this is only a big risk if they focus purely on the McAlpine angle. If it is (as indeed it is) a small part of a bigger picture there's a far greater chance of it coming within the "fair comment on a matter of public interest" defence - and that's the line I've taken in conversations with Deck'ard.
Besides, a couple of hundred grand ain't a big deal for the mainstream press. They are insured against this after all (though they do seem to settle too readily, probably at the instigation of their insurers).
It was a phenomenal drama made by BBC Wales. It followed the story of someone abused in a Welsh carehome as his life fell apart when he faced down his accusers later on. It won awards, was fearsomely powerful and yet got aired once and then disappeared off the face of the planet.
phisheep
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It's Deck'ard's place in Bournemouth - apparently worth a visit so long as you have time to recover afterwards (which judging by a few posts this morning Deck'ard didn't allow himself!)
Ah, it may be that some other posts have got deleted so the numbering is out of date again - that's not what post #1100 was last time I looked at it.
phisheep
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OK, sorry guys, it isn't posts being deleted. Bishop made a typo in changing the thread title.
It's #1110, not #1100 (there were some posts deleted earlier though, but don't know which, don't care neither).
EDIT: Also, not Bishop's fault, the typo was Deck'ard's - gosh it is bloody hard trying to not libel people!
Disappeared after winning awards? Uh oh. When did it air? In the Tivo age? Someone else has to have a copy somewhere.
phisheep
NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
I suspect it touched some very important nerves.
It aired in 2000. Pre-TiVo I'm afraid.
I now have a copy (VHS -> DVD transfer no less!) but I had to go to the director and his agency to get it. The BBC politely declined my request for a copy and it's never been re-aired or released in any format.
All we can do is apologise for the depraved cunts behind it all. I don't even know how to rationalise it in the slightest.
Rawket Lawnchair
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SmokyDave, you should rip the documentary and upload it everywhere. I understand you don't want to, but people should know.
dreamcastmaster
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I say you need to share that shit, you're supposed to be able to get anything from the BBC as a license holder seeing as we have paid for it.
It wasn't a documentary, it a fictional drama. The anguish portrayed was very real for an awful lot of people though.
I can't rip it without permission after the creator went out of his way to help me out, it'd be a scummy move.
Yeah, I found it weird that they wouldn't / couldn't send me a copy.
Since the care home was obviously based on Bryn Estyn and 'Davey' was essentially Mark Humphreys, I suspect they were threatened with some sort of legal action.
phisheep
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Tough question. And one could get into all sorts of arguments about the legacy of public schools and the historic sexual tendencies of the british upper class and so on. But I suspect the answer is a whole load simpler (and a whole load scarier).
It isn't just the Catholic Church (as has been claimed from time to time), or even the Church of England (as has been jocularly mentioned since I was a kid), or Britain. It's happening everywhere. Now.
Beats me how before the internet age these people got to know each other. It's not like you'd sidle up to someone in a pub and ask if they fancy young kids is it? Or is it? The internet is a double-edged sword here - it might make it easier to call people out, but it also makes it easier for them to find each other. Worries me sick, that bit.
So, how could it happen in our country? Easy - same way it could happen (and probably is happening) in yours.
One of the things that worries me about this investigation is it is (nearly) all historical. There is committee on committee and inquiry on inquiry about the past, but what about the people who are doing this now? Don't know.
EdwardTivrusky
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The systematic failures compounded the misery too even if they weren't related to a cover-up or conspiracy.
It's why i find it sickening for Michael Gove to suggest more children should be put into care more quickly. I can see that he is saying that children in abusive homes should be taken out of danger but to suggest that we should be aiming to put more children into a system that is rife with mismanagement and more potential abuse just seems insensitive and out-of-touch.
dreamcastmaster
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Fair enough if it was a favor outside of the BBC. Maybe if enough people are made aware of it's existence and relevance a copy could make it's way online.
A; Ms Berelowitz cautioned that the "model" of Asian men preying on white girls was just one of "a number of models".
B; Should we ignore it because it's a political hot-potato? Because the BNP were hammering on about it before anyone else? (for obvious reasons).
Why shouldn't these cockroaches be dragged out into the light? As long as they don't become the sole focus, that is.
Did the director ask you not to share it specifically? I'd assume he'd want his movie shown to the world as much as possible.
I've read that public phone boxes were used with calling cards that most people simply ignored as they didn't realise what they were for. Remember, with the internet, spreading information is far easier; but in turn, it has helped the rest of us become more knowledgable about recognising the signs of what isn't quite right.
There are Asian men targeting underage girls. There are also black men doing it, white, mixed etc. Perhaps someone could explain this to me but why the focus on the race of specific perpetrators?
phisheep
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Depends. Depends what you are taking them away from and what you are putting them in to. Putting into care does not necessarily mean going into a care home, or even a "care home".
I know some extraordinarily good families who have visited, temporarily minded, fostered and adopted some very seriously abused children. We're talking here about people who've utterly devoted themselves to other peoples' kids, often in the most difficult of circumstances.
One that I remember could not be left alone in a room with a male for even five minutes, because after that five minutes she would accuse that man of sexually abusing her. Why? Goodness knows. It was hard - perhaps impossible - to get through to the kid. But maybe it was because when she had eventually stood up to her real abuser and got taken away that was the only time in her whole life she had been believed about anything. She's a damaged child. Always will be probably. Still needs care, can't chuck her out, got to cope, got to manage around that, and work, and deal the rest of the family and all that. Helluva job to take on. Sure as hell I couldn't do it.
One thing I do not understand though, is why there's this enormous long complicated and pretty thorough vetting process for potential foster parents, but apparently nothing anywhere near the equivalent for people running "care homes". And yet, the hidden assumption that until the potential foster parents pass whatever test it is the child is "better off in care". Right.
broadwayrock
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There's a huge amount of BBC dramas that get aired, get rave reviews and never get repeated again. The BBC are notorious for not repeating or releasing dramas on dvd regardless of subject matter.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
because foreigners....
Repeats of Only Fools and Horses get better ratings.
I'm not denying the ratio of Muslim sex gangs is disproportionate to their actual number but seems to me like we're slowly entering a territory where paedophilia is being turned into an exclusively Muslim thing.
I do agree with Smokey that we shouldn't be politically correct and tackle this, at the end of the day it's the welfare of the children that should come first; damn anyone who gets offended.
Also I know it's the daily mail but according to them it's outrageous how the Muslim gangs weren't exclusively blamed for cases of underage sex.the report clearly states that other ethnicities are also involved, but to the daily mail that's outrageous.smh.
I do agree with Smokey that we shouldn't be politically correct and tackle this, at the end of the day it's the welfare of the children that should come first; damn anyone who gets offended.
Also I know it's the daily mail but according to them it's outrageous how the Muslim gangs weren't exclusively blamed for cases of underage sex.the report clearly states that other ethnicities are also involved, but to the daily mail that's outrageous.smh.
phisheep
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Recent news stories. Seems to be all that drives some of them.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Who'd head up all these public inquiries? (if they happen)
The same people that wear pig masks to rape parties? fucking mi5 is being thrown around as being complicit now.
My faith in all of these bastards is now zero.
McAlpine reaches a £125000 settlement with ITV and Philip Schofield.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20443186
How can he get this when he wasn't even named or hinted at on the This Morning show?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20443186
How can he get this when he wasn't even named or hinted at on the This Morning show?
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