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[cvxfreak]

Sorry if old, I did a search but couldn't find anything on it.

10,000 protesters rally outside Japan consulate in Guangzhou
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=333696

"I hate Japan. I want to beat them (Japanese people) as soon as I see them," said the man, who identified himself as Xiao Dao.

2 Japanese students beaten up at Shanghai restaurant
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=&id=333700

Japan asks China for apology over violent anti-Japan rally
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=1&id=333680

Chinese protestors pelt Japan Embassy, envoy's residence
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&id=333619

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&id=333475
Japanese consulate warns of more anti-Japan riots in China

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Yikes is all I have to say.

 

[Drozmight]

I heard about this too...

...people in the pacific really know how to hold a grudge.

 

[Pochacco]

I heard about this too...

...people in the pacific really know how to hold a grudge.

Not so much what happened during WWII, but moreso that Japan hasn't fully acknowledged what happened.

 

[Zaptruder]

racism is still rife everywhere. Part of the human nature and all. Gonna have a long up hill battle to elimintate that kinda prejudice... but it has to be done again and again with each generation.

That said, Japanese as a country are bloody arrogant pricks, towards other asians.

 

[whytemyke]

Doesn't Japan still have some Chinese citizens in their country that they kidnapped during the war and never let go?

God help us if the Chinese government catches the same fever that the people have. Last thing this world needs is China using their new toys that Europe is probably going to give them to kill Japs.

Oh well. Knowing China they'll just roll some tanks into this protest and shut them up.

 

[GG-Duo]

Textbooks that don't mention any wrongdoing, and a prime minister that goes to the Japanese WWII veteran shrine to pray annually.

A few years ago, some Chinese guy dumped feces on the actress from Shaolin Soccer because she modelled some clothing that had the Japanese Imperial army symbol on it.

 

[Azih]

Nothing wrong with going to the WWII shrine. But they really should acknowledge the atrocities. I mean really.

 

[norinrad21]

Asians in general don`t even refer to themselves as Asians.

The whole region could erupt tomorrow that could end up like China, both koreas vs Japan, its pretty much uncle Sam that keeps them from doing so.

From what i gather the Chinese want an apology from the Japanese and while we are at it the USa should apologise to the Japanese, Europe to Africa, Australia to the aboriginals, China to Mongolia and Taiwan/Tibet , Iraq to Iran and kuwait, no no no the world shouldnt stop the, the United Nations should do their part in apologising to planet earth.


China may be slowly becoming economically independent but what the hell are they going to do when Japan, US and Europe pull out their resources over there?

 

[Pochacco]

Btw, I believe the recent protests have to do with Japan vying for a position on UN's Security Council.

 

[milanbaros]

I read something recently about the female author of history books which detailed the terrible happenings in China during WWII. Upon her death the Western and Chinese media potryaed her as a hero whereas certain Jpanese media used her suicide as her admitting she was wrong.
I'm no expert but it seems the Japanese are failing to recognise what they did. The Chinese, perhaps because of their new found place as a world power, are demanding an apology and recognition of what was done. Victims are still alive so the subject is still very raw.

 

[android]

I read something recently about the female author of history books which detailed the terrible happenings in China during WWII. Upon her death the Western and Chinese media potryaed her as a hero whereas certain Jpanese media used her suicide as her admitting she was wrong.
I'm no expert but it seems the Japanese are failing to recognise what they did. The Chinese, perhaps because of their new found place as a world power, are demanding an apology and recognition of what was done. Victims are still alive so the subject is still very raw.

Yeah I heard that as well. The book is "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang. The Japanese did vile things in China and the rest of the Pacific. During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks.

 

[GG-Duo]

Nothing wrong with going to the WWII shrine. But they really should acknowledge the atrocities. I mean really.

It's a veteran's shrine. And according the Chinese perspective is that, by honoring these veterans, you're honoring the horrible things they did during WW2.

 

[calder]

Er, sure the Japanese gov't still won't admit to shit and that is a problem, but don't forget that a LOT of the anti-japanese fervor in China is a direct result of the Chinese gov't preaching extreme nationalism and a very aggressive patriotism in their schools. Chinese history textbooks are even more biased and lopsided than the Japanese ones that try to diminish or ignore WW2. The Chinese gov't should be the last motherfuckers on earth lecturing others about teaching a state-sponsored revisionist history to advance a nationalistic agenda.

That's why Chinese students learn about the Nanjing Massacre over and over again and never hear a word about or how many people died during the Cultural Revolution. The Party encouraged an anti-Japan worldview among it's citizens (starting in schools) to boost national pride and unify a diverse nation but now that it's gotten a little out of hand expect the Chinese gov't to try to focus national interest in a new direction.

Still no excuse for Japan's goofy attempts to change history in their schools.

 

[Takuan]

Er, sure the Japanese gov't still won't admit to shit and that is a problem, but don't forget that a LOT of the anti-japanese fervor in China is a direct result of the Chinese gov't preaching extreme nationalism and a very aggressive patriotism in their schools. Chinese history textbooks are even more biased and lopsided than the Japanese ones that try to diminish or ignore WW2. The Chinese gov't should be the last motherfuckers on earth lecturing others about teaching a state-sponsored revisionist history to advance a nationalistic agenda.

That's why Chinese students learn about the Nanjing Massacre over and over again and never hear a word about or how many people died during the Cultural Revolution. The Party encouraged an anti-Japan worldview among it's citizens (starting in schools) to boost national pride and unify a diverse nation but now that it's gotten a little out of hand expect the Chinese gov't to try to focus national interest in a new direction.

Still no excuse for Japan's goofy attempts to change history in their schools.

Yup, China's just as bad as Japan. Run by idiots, I swear. Hypocrite asshats.

 

[Draff]

Nothing wrong with going to the WWII shrine. But they really should acknowledge the atrocities. I mean really.

They have publically apologized a few times (though reparations are another matter).
They just need to restrain the right winger bigots.

 

[Eric-GCA]

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

 

[Tsubaki]

Doesn't Japan still have some Chinese citizens in their country that they kidnapped during the war and never let go?

Yes, but the Chinese (and Korean) population are treated as 2nd-class, and are generally denied citizenship even if they've been there for 3 generations.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

That was torture. Nobody should have to take shit from a woman that ugly.

 

[GG-Duo]

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

You're fucking kidding, right? That's one of the most retarded comments I have ever read.

 

[Phoenix]

That was torture. Nobody should have to take shit from a woman that ugly.

Good one! :lol

 

[ScientificNinja]

My grandmother escaped the invasion of Nanking with nothing more than the clothes on her back and a dowry. She was given a small bag of valuables and told to run - and she did, while her brothers and parents were butchered, her infant nephew's head smashed in by a rifle butt and her sister raped, tortured and killed. I've made my peace with this part of my family history, but I cannot reconcile the idea that the Japanese are virtually 'willing' the massacre out of their cultural consciousness. Even the Germans have recognised their part in WWII. The Japanese are proud and conservative to a fault and, as far as I'm concerned, they got everything they deserved when they were nuked. Americans may feel guilt over it. For what it's worth, if you can't feel pride for it, then I'll feel it for you. Karma's a bitch and I don't feel a shred of sympathy for them.

Needless to say, as someone working in the games industry, I am deeply conflicted every time I think about it.

 

[android]

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

Nanking wasn't torture. It was a genocide. Abu Gharib on the otherhand was torture and it was wrong. People had every right to be shocked and angry. But no one has said it is at the level of the Nanking or the Holocast. Don't dismiss the war crimes (and they were) at Abu Gharib, because it doesn't match up with one of the worst war crimes in human history.

 

[Socreges]

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

What the fuck does scale matter? I could watch Schindler's List before reading GAF and your posts would still make me psychologically distraught. Torture is torture.

 

[sprsk]

if you think the chinese hate the japanese boy oh boy wait till you talk to a korean about that issue.

 

[DCharlie]

the saddest part is that the apology isn't going to come because the compensation that would be expected to be dolled out would be incredible.

The Chinese and Koreans want an apology + cash, rightly so i guess, ESPECIALLY when we get into the Korean sex camps, but the cash is almost certainly the biggest hurdle.

Saying that , the Chinese are being wankers about this all - what do 19 year old students have to do with something that happened years and years ago? What do soccer fans have to do with it? They should beef it out Government to government and perhaps get Japan up infront of the world court.

Not to demean that the Chinese have a right to be pissed, but it's handy for the Chinese government to have this outside enemy for the citizens to focus on given the problems they have with civil liberties in China, and i'm sure this is the reason they don't want to bother quelling the uproar. Christ , during the Asia cup final, the Japanese had to send their own police to stop their fans getting the shit kicked out of them - and they ended up trapped in teh stadium for two hours, when they did get out the Japanese team bus was hit with bricks, the head of the JAF got a breeze block from a bridge into his windshield. Meanwhile in Japan, crime commited by Chinese and Koreans goes flying through the roof... A recipe for disaster coming right up!... but hey, that's a much bigger mushroom.

 

[God's Hand]

I know a Japanese girl who told me this once:

chuugokujin ga shineba ii noni ne

 

[radioheadrule83]

Man as useful as that pic is gonna be in console/handheld war threads, it's sad to see. Reading about how they attacked a restaurant because it had waitresses inside wearing kimonos (even tho they were Chinese), and sticking a boot in on someone's Toyota car... it's madness. You don't stop a tonne of moving steel and start kicking it -- if you do you should get driven over. HARD.

I wonder if Japan will offer any compromise?

 

[DCharlie]

.... and that is a growing sentiment.

That's being fueled by whats happening here.

Both governments need to be responsible about this or it really could kick off.

Japan changing the consitution so they can tool up is not a good sign - then again, with anti-Japan sentiment spiraling and the US stretched, they've got to do it.

 

[Shinobi]

Oh well. Knowing China they'll just roll some tanks into this protest and shut them up.

I shouldn't laugh, but...:lol

During the attack on Nanking the Japanese army raped, tortured and killed more than 300,000 Chinese civilians over six weeks

And to think, nowadays what heppened at Abu Garaib is considered torture.

:lol Arguably the dumbest, most pointless post of the year so far.

That was torture. Nobody should have to take shit from a woman that ugly.

:lol

My grandmother escaped the invasion of Nanking with nothing more than the clothes on her back and a dowry. She was given a small bag of valuables and told to run - and she did, while her brothers and parents were butchered, her infant nephew's head smashed in by a rifle butt and her sister raped, tortured and killed. I've made my peace with this part of my family history, but I cannot reconcile the idea that the Japanese are virtually 'willing' the massacre out of their cultural consciousness. Even the Germans have recognised their part in WWII. The Japanese are proud and conservative to a fault and, as far as I'm concerned, they got everything they deserved when they were nuked. Americans may feel guilt over it. For what it's worth, if you can't feel pride for it, then I'll feel it for you. Karma's a bitch and I don't feel a shred of sympathy for them.

Needless to say, as someone working in the games industry, I am deeply conflicted every time I think about it.

Heh, that's one of the most powerful posts I've read on this board in a while. I understand your sentiments...hell, I'd probably be less forgiving then you seem to be.

Saying that , the Chinese are being wankers about this all - what do 19 year old students have to do with something that happened years and years ago? What do soccer fans have to do with it? They should beef it out Government to government and perhaps get Japan up infront of the world court.

Not to demean that the Chinese have a right to be pissed, but it's handy for the Chinese government to have this outside enemy for the citizens to focus on given the problems they have with civil liberties in China, and i'm sure this is the reason they don't want to bother quelling the uproar. Christ , during the Asia cup final, the Japanese had to send their own police to stop their fans getting the shit kicked out of them - and they ended up trapped in teh stadium for two hours, when they did get out the Japanese team bus was hit with bricks, the head of the JAF got a breeze block from a bridge into his windshield. Meanwhile in Japan, crime commited by Chinese and Koreans goes flying through the roof... A recipe for disaster coming right up!... but hey, that's a much bigger mushroom.

I was gonna bring this up...saw video of this last year and was stunned by how frightening and out of control it looked. It's a miracle that bus made it out of there with it's wheels turning. I think a soccer match between Israel and Iran would have a more civil aftermath. Hell, there's an Arab on the Israli squad who's become a bit of a hero for his goal that tied France a couple weeks ago.

This world sure is wierd.

 

[Troidal]

Unfortunately if you try to argue about the war with most Japanese kids of the same age as these rioters in China, they probably don't know everything that happened during the wars. Why argue about the past with people who aren't even aware of them anymore? Blame the Japanese government for educating the kids that way. These rioters should take it on the government.

Boycott and not buy Japanese products? Fine, then don't buy our Sony's or Mitsubishi's. But destroying property is lame and uncivilized. They are bringing down their levels and embarassing themselves to the world, and its unfortunate. (Aren't they hosting the next Olympics?)

I was talking about this with my Chinese friends and it hurts for us to see stuff like this... :/

 

[IAmtheFMan]

if you think the chinese hate the japanese boy oh boy wait till you talk to a korean about that issue.

It really depends; a lot of the younger generation didn't quite know what the Japanese did back during WWII era, and now will just kinda roll their eyes and make sarcastic, caustic remarks but it's not necessarily pure unadulterated hatred. The older generation (especially the ones that came to the U.S. and didn't see the progress b/t the two countries) really HATE the Japanese; my parents would kill me if I dated a Japanese girl.

Oh, and whatever pent-up anger that the South feels, is a million times worse in the North. You'd think that WWII just ended.

 

[cvxfreak]

It really seems like the Chinese and Koreans are the only ones who are still quite angry. Filipinos on the other hand don't seem to hold any real grudge. My grandmother lived in Manila when the city was destroyed, and yet didn't look offended when she found out I like Japan. Just an interesting thought.

 

[ScientificNinja]

I think it's to do with the way we're brought up. I can't speak for Koreans, but Chinese have a long history and culture and we're brought up to honour it. I've seen how a lot of the younger generation (the under-20s) carry on and even for me, their hatred of the Japanese seems as blind as it is misinformed and misguided. But I know there are just as many of me who are directly touched by the war generation, who know the people who suffered and have sat on their laps as children and listened to their stories and their lessons. Above all else, my grandmother - and my mother - taught me to forgive them for it, to move on and live well. I wish the Japanese would do the same, but it's as though the shame that comes with such an acknowledgement would be too much of a burden for them to bear. They would have no face, no standing in the broader Asian community. To me, that is why the Japanese government won't do anything about it.

 

[NetMapel]

Yeah, my grandparents who were in China when Japan invaded had to flee. My grandmother would tell me stories about how she has to hide in bunkers every now and then. The Japanese bombers were airbombing the areas, and killing many people. Later, my grandmother moved to Taiwan, and said girls would rather kill themselves before the Japanese armies move into the army, just so they could die with dignity, AKA not tortured and raped and killed.

 

[Blackace]

the one thing Japan has done is they have pretty much gotten rid of their chapters of China and Korea from their history teachings. So, sadly, the people getting attacked have no idea why the Chinese hate them so much, no idea at all.....

I majored in Japanese history and what I found out canged my whole outlook on this country (still love it)

And to the poster whose family was in Nanking, I feel your pain, I don't even know where my family came from it stops in Texas when my great-great Grand-Father was being sold as a slave. But I don't hate white people for it... nor do I feel conflicted from it (most times that it) Because it was the past, and the people who did what they did to my family are gone.... We can learn from the past, just we have to not learn to be bitter...

 

[Blackace]

I think it's to do with the way we're brought up. I can't speak for Koreans, but Chinese have a long history and culture and we're brought up to honour it. I've seen how a lot of the younger generation (the under-20s) carry on and even for me, their hatred of the Japanese seems as blind as it is misinformed and misguided. But I know there are just as many of me who are directly touched by the war generation, who know the people who suffered and have sat on their laps as children and listened to their stories and their lessons. Above all else, my grandmother - and my mother - taught me to forgive them for it, to move on and live well. I wish the Japanese would do the same, but it's as though the shame that comes with such an acknowledgement would be too much of a burden for them to bear. They would have no face, no standing in the broader Asian community. To me, that is why the Japanese government won't do anything about it.

in 1994 or 95 China said that all was forgiven for Nanking... funny how they seemed to forgot that....

 

[ChrisReid]

Doesn't Japan still have some Chinese citizens in their country that they kidnapped during the war and never let go?

Other way around. Japaneze citizens were kidnapped by North Koreas. They were kidnapped a few decades ago and the Koreans tried to brainwash them as spies or something crazy like that. It was further dramatized by one of the kidnapped Japanese marrying a US soldier that defected across the Korean DMZ. Crazy stuff.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/07/japan.defector/index.html

Soga had been kidnapped in Japan and brought to North Korea to teach the nation's spies Japanese language and culture.

In a 2002 summit with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il acknowledged his country had kidnapped Soga and other Japanese citizens. North Korea then allowed Soga and four other Japanese kidnap victims to return home.

 

[Miburou]

Beating up Japanese citizens won't do anything except decrease the number of Japanese tourists and students who come to China. Pretty stupid.

And shouldn't these people protest against their own government and its human rights abuses rather than against something that happened 60 years ago?

 

[Pedigree Chum]

"I hate Japan. I want to beat them (Japanese people) as soon as I see them," said the man, who identified himself as Xiao Dao.

That was a misquote, he actually said:

"I hate Japan. I want to hug them (Japanese people) as soon as I see them," said the man, who identified himself as Xiao Dao.

 

[ScientificNinja]

in 1994 or 95 China said that all was forgiven for Nanking... funny how they seemed to forgot that....

I don't think it's as simple as that. It's all about giving face. I give face to you, you give face to me - a little like rubbing each other's backs. When China said all was forgiven (I actually only have vague memories of this happening), the next thing for Japan to do is acknowledge its wrongdoings and move forward with the relationship.

As I understand it, Japan hasn't actually done anything of the sort. They continue to commemorate the atrocities they've committed, which for all intents and purposes is a slap in the face for China. Can you blame the Chinese for interpreting it that way and reneging on their gesture of goodwill?

I wouldn't be so quick to say China isn't entitled to complain about Japan because of its own human rights issues. It's like telling Americans they'd best get rid of George W Bush before they start telling other countries how to run their affairs. You might think George W Bush is a bit of an idiot, but you'll be damned if some foreigner tells you how to run your own country.

 

[Shinobi]

And shouldn't these people protest against their own government and its human rights abuses rather than against something that happened 60 years ago?

I believe they saw the consequences of such actions...

 

[God's Hand]

How do you "die with dignity"? Silliest thing ever, really.

 

[Brannon]

USa should apologise to the Japanese

Yes, they should do this. In fact, they should take it one step further and rebuild their country and give them lots of help and money, giving them the ability to become one of the most impressive economic forces on the planet. Too bad the USA will never ever do this, ever.

......WAIT A MINUTE...

 

[duckroll]

Well, here's what I think of this entire issue.

- Japanese ignoring their part in the war and trying to marginalize it in their history bookes = lame.

- Chinese nationals going crazy in the streets destroying anything Japanese in their city = stupid.

So yeah, it's all really dumb in the end. You have a bunch of worked up and angry people with no proper direction going crazy in their own country over something lame and disrespectful that a foreign government is doing in their own country. It solves nothing and it just highlights how irrational people can get when pissed off and having no direction or proper outlet to let it out on. Man, imagine if GAF was a country..... :lol

 

[whytemyke]

Yes, they should do this. In fact, they should take it one step further and rebuild their country and give them lots of help and money, giving them the ability to become one of the most impressive economic forces on the planet. Too bad the USA will never ever do this, ever.

......WAIT A MINUTE...

Who said we should apologize? I'll fucking pwn their assez

 

[Brannon]

I said it that way to suggest that we already did it. If helping Japan become one of the richest Asian countries in the world isn't apology enough, what more do they want? Our legions of running octopuses? NEVER!

 

[909er]

Beating up Japanese citizens won't do anything except decrease the number of Japanese tourists and students who come to China. Pretty stupid.

And shouldn't these people protest against their own government and its human rights abuses rather than against something that happened 60 years ago?

Pointing chinese anger at Japan = less Chinese ppl looking at problems at home

Honestly Japan needs to grow a pair and tell all the dicks in the region "it happened 60 years ago, get over it, and fuck off"

 

[Jonnyram]

Well, here's what I think of this entire issue.

- Japanese ignoring their part in the war and trying to marginalize it in their history bookes = lame.

- Chinese nationals going crazy in the streets destroying anything Japanese in their city = stupid.

I agree with duckroll. Unfortunately, Germany set a really good example of how to apologise, so many Westerners expect this kind of behaviour. It's just not going to happen between Asian countries, though. Japan will never apologise and China/Korea will never forgive. It's like kids fighting at school.

 

[whytemyke]

I don't think any western culture is suited to have an opinion on what's going on here. Both of those (all of) civillizations are sooo old and date back for so long. They were making advanced war with each other while most of us were walking around in loincloths. Add that to the fact that no western society has really experienced the type of acts that the Chinese experienced there... and you have a situation where its nearly impossible for people who are more or less completely uneducated to even have the right to an opinion here.

Honestly Japan needs to grow a pair and tell all the dicks in the region "it happened 60 years ago, get over it, and fuck off"

another ignorant thing said, hm? That'd be the equivalent of the Germans coming out tomorrow and saying: "Hear ye hear ye; all jews should recognize that genocide ended sixty years ago. Get over it and fuck off." do you really think that'd be taken well? Like I said... most of us here (including myself and of course you) are unfit to give an opinion on this situation.

 

[whytemyke]

Um? Do you remember what the Germans were doing at the same time?

Also: ever heard of Ireland?

The difference with the germans, and I know this sounds horribly callous, but that the Jews that were there were largely immigrants in the first place. Maybe second or third generation, but still. Their culture wasn't built around Germany... only built to interact with it.

Even still... how many here lived as a Jew in Germany at the time? Or as a mick in ireland? That was the point I was trying to make. It's a horrible thing seeing ones home destroyed and ones history threatened to be completely wiped out.